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HAHA @ Michelin
Suckers brought the wrong tires and now they're flying over new ones that they wanna put on the cars before the race.
Only problems are these:
1) none of the cars will have driven a single lap with that new type of tires when they start the race
2) if they actually put on the new tires before the race, they would break 5 FIA rules

They are allowed to swap them during the race if the other tires cause great insecurity. But NOT before the race
C'mon Bernie dont give in to it

Another option is this one: the teams that use Michelin tires can refuse to drive with those new tires (which they are forced to do now by Michelin) and then Bernie Ecclestone gets the choice:

1) He cancels the race cause there are hardly any drivers left

2) He lets the race start with just the 6 Bridgestone drivers on the grid

Guess who's got Bridgestones

Awful race!

Nice to see however the first podium finish ever of a portuguese driver. Didn't matter much considering the circumstances, but of course our press is now going to hype him as if it was something fantastic. Still, a very good race by him as he ended more than 30 seconds in front of Karthekyan.

Fucking hell, what a fase!

On the warm up lap, when they all went into the pits, my heart sunk and i put my hands up to my head and went "WTF"

I cant even start to imagine what it would of been like to be there, and i quite look forward to hear what the guys who went have to say...

You can hardly call it a race.

Mind you i do feel sorry for the jordan guy Montierio? Fair enough it was his first podium but hardly on the right circumstances, when he sprayed the champagne it made me cringe because you want people to feel happy for him and share his joy, but it really when it comes down to it wasnt deserved.

Im sure we will all remeber this race for a long time.

^^^ yeh watching all the cars go into the pits was a big blow for everyone. I felt a bit sorry for Montiero as well - he started spraying his champagne and shumi & rubens just walked off.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 Nice to see however the first podium finish ever of a portuguese driver. Didn't matter much considering the circumstances, but of course our press is now going to hype him as if it was something fantastic. Still, a very good race by him as he ended more than 30 seconds in front of Karthekyan.

yeah, i thought he drove brilliantly actually. he didn't give away much time compared to the Ferrari's during the first part of the race.


what bothers me the most is that Ferrari and their drivers are right up there in the championship, and it would be awful if they win one or both championships by just a couple of points.. just imagine that the decisive factor for the championship was this race.

of course Michelin made a grave error, and the way this whole thing unfolded was entirely right, but still.. it would seem as if Ferrari had won the championship without any competition whatsoever. so i really hope they don't win, or, if they win, they do it by more than 10 points.

I almost spent $400us going to this race I glad i didn't. I don't agree with Michelin at all. Thier teams should have pitted on the first lap, blaming not racing on safety, oh please.

great job selling F1 to the states

sometimes the most moronic things happen in F1, geeze

Went to the race, it was crazy but glad i saw Ferrari win 1-2 hahahaha

Eddie Montoya once again didnt finish a race lol, and paranoik go Montiero although he got owned by Rubinho and Schumi at the podium

It was the strangest and the most weird race in the whole F1 history. IMO it should be cancelled...

I fucked up and forgot to record this race (it started at 330 am here), pissed off cos it woulda been amazing to see..........
Saw a bit of it on the news, crazy, but really it was the right decision if the teams thought there was a real safety issue.
The FIA and FOM would have been much wiser to let ALL teams change their tyres before the race (I'm assuming the replacement Michies got there in time), that would have allowed the Bridgestone teams have fresh tyres too, so effectively nothing lost nothing gained.
But oh well, a new history note in F1 racing......

Ben i'm sure you screamed "REFUND" like a mad redneck

OMG you should have seen them complaining yesterday, they were saying "this kind of stuff never happens in NASCAR or INDY, i'm gonna stop watching F1"


REFUND REFUND REFUND

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Originally posted by fastmp3 Ben i'm sure you screamed "REFUND" like a mad redneck OMG you should have seen them complaining yesterday, they were saying "this kind of stuff never happens in NASCAR or INDY, i'm gonna stop watching F1" REFUND REFUND REFUND

na there were not than many rednecks there mostly south americans

And The Plot Thickens

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PARIS -- Formula One's governing body on Monday summoned seven teams using Michelin tires to a hearing later this month after they pulled out of the United States Grand Prix for safety reasons. The FIA hearing in Paris on June 29 could lead to a range of punishments including fines, docked points or even suspensions -- possibly throwing the F1 season into chaos with 10 races left. Michelin provides seven of the 10 F1 teams with tires. Only six cars -- using Bridgestone tires -- started the race in Indianapolis on Sunday after 14 drivers left the track following the warmup lap. Ferrari's Michael Schumacher won, climbing from his car to a chorus of boos. Teams from Renault, McLaren-Mercedes, Toyota and Williams-BMW -- none of which raced -- were told to attend the Paris hearing. Two Michelin tires failed in Friday practice sessions -- one causing a wreck that prevented Ralf Schumacher from competing -- prompting Michelin to rule its tires were unsafe for the Indianapolis track. But FIA said it had "clear rules" that everyone had to keep. "These cannot be negotiated each time a competitor brings the wrong equipment to a race," FIA said in a statement. Michelin had unsuccessfully asked FIA to ease its rule forbidding teams to change tires after qualifying. FIA also refused to consider installing a curve. Michelin then advised its teams not to compete. "What about the American fans? What about Formula One fans worldwide? Rather than boycott the race the Michelin teams should have agreed to run at reduced speed in turn 13," FIA said, referring to the part of the Indianapolis circuit that Michelin said was too fast for their tires. "By refusing to run ... they have damaged themselves and the sport." Michelin defended its decision. "We are absolutely not embarrassed about our decision, although we do have regrets for the fans of Formula One and for the racing drivers of course," Frederic Henry-Biabaud, Michelin's deputy director of competition, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday. "We feel it is a reasonable decision and we were professional to bear in mind primarily the safety of the drivers," Henry-Biabaud said. "We had no other choice." He called the United States a safety-minded country and said there would have been an uproar if there were a crash Sunday. "Imagine what would have happened in the United States if there was an accident ... What would have been the reaction if we'd allowed the drivers to race and something bad happened?" he said. Henry-Biabaud said Michelin's involvement in F1 would continue, and dismissed speculation only one tiremaker would be allowed to supply cars from now on. "Competition at the highest level includes competition between tire makers. I don't see why it would change," he said. Henry-Biabaud said the problems with the tires were largely due to the design of the Indianapolis track. "At Indianapolis, the tire coating suffers," he added. "The circuit is very traditional but the straight line before the banking delivers massive pressure on the car and the tires. For the car to do the whole race we have to be sure the tires can last." Henry-Biabaud said FIA should have built a temporary curve before the banked corner to reduce speeds and lessen pressure on the tires. Michelin said it has no concerns for the French Grand Prix on July 3. "The Magny-Cours circuit is well known to Michelin technicians who use it regularly for testing," the manufacturer said. FIA said putting in a curve would have been unfair to those using Bridgestone tires. "The Bridgestone teams had suitable tires. They did not need to slow down," FIA said. "The Michelin teams' lack of speed through turn 13 would have been a direct result of inferior equipment, as often happens in Formula One." The FIA also pointed out that each team is allowed to bring two sets of tires, including a slower tire suitable in all circumstances. "Apparently, none of the Michelin teams brought a backup to Indianapolis," it noted.

FUCK! I went all the way from Masshole, to see the race and next thing I know, 6 fucking cars are racing

Also, I had no clue what was going on, until I asked someone. Don't know if they said it in the race, but with my earplugs I was practically deaf

But seriously, worst experience at any sport event ever. Not worth the $150 tickets EACH + car rental + plane tickets!!!


It was weird seeing so many ppl leave in the beginning when they noticed what had happened. Even though I was dressed all in blue with my Asturian flag as a cape, I stayed until the end of the race, but I must say, I was very disappointed.
I will ask for a refund...

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 na there were not than many rednecks there mostly south americans

Ya, lots of Columbians and Brazilians. They were fun to be around though, except, the Columbians when they noticed Montoya wasn't racing

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 "What about the American fans? What about Formula One fans worldwide? Rather than boycott the race the Michelin teams should have agreed to run at reduced speed in turn 13," FIA said, referring to the part of the Indianapolis circuit that Michelin said was too fast for their tires.

What crap fromt the FIA.

How the fuck could they have managed that. How slow? Were they planning to speedtrap 14 cars every lap and call any that went over the magic number in for drive-through penalty's? Given that Michelin didn't even know the tyres were unsafe until the weekend started were they suddenly going to pull a number from a hat and declare it the maximum safe speed. What about the other cars? Even the Minardi's would have spent the last part of every lap dodging braking Michelin runners.


The FIA should have put in a chicane (the day before the race) and told Ferrari "if you want to race the points are all yours, otherwise have fun watching from the pits".

Farce farce farce.

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Originally posted by Spad What crap fromt the FIA. How the fuck could they have managed that. How slow? Were they planning to speedtrap 14 cars every lap and call any that went over the magic number in for drive-through penalty's? Given that Michelin didn't even know the tyres were unsafe until the weekend started were they suddenly going to pull a number from a hat and declare it the maximum safe speed. What about the other cars? Even the Minardi's would have spent the last part of every lap dodging braking Michelin runners. The FIA should have put in a chicane (the day before the race) and told Ferrari "if you want to race the points are all yours, otherwise have fun watching from the pits". Farce farce farce.

perhaps.

I as far as I remember only one team, Toyota was having trouble on that corner. Which suggests that the problem is with the way the Toyota was loading that tyre. Not exclusively the Michelin equipment. It's all politics.

Released today

Michelin�s statement in full:

Straight talk and a sincere gesture for the American spectators: It could have been an exciting race.

One week after the Indianapolis Grand Prix, Michelin wishes to make a sincere gesture of goodwill towards the people present at the GP, a group whose passion for F1 is encouraging in the development of this sport in the United States.

Therefore, on our own initiative and in total solidarity with our partners, we have taken two decisions:

1. Michelin has decided to contribute to the costs incurred by the spectators present at the circuit on Sunday June 19th 2005 by offering to refund their tickets. This is an important decision, since Michelin is not at all legally bound to do this.

Michelin deeply regrets that the public was deprived of an exciting race and therefore wishes to be the first, among the different groups involved in the Indianapolis race, to make a strong gesture towards the spectators.

2. Michelin also offers to buy 20,000 tickets for the 2006 U.S. Grand Prix to be given to spectators who were present at the Indianapolis race in 2005. We are offering this to promote further Formula One interest in the United States.

We would also like to take this opportunity to underline the fact that it is unacceptable that our partner teams have been accused by the FIA of having boycotted the Indianapolis Grand Prix. The reality is that together, Michelin and its partners have done everything possible to assure that the race could take place in total safety.

We are extremely disappointed that the proposals made with all our teams were not accepted. These proposals, including a chicane, were technically viable and totally met all safety requirements. On Sunday morning, June 19, the sporting authority had all the means necessary to preserve the interest of the race.

And yet, the sporting authority rejected the proposed solutions. Why? In our view this is totally incomprehensible and reflects a lack of respect for the spectators.

It is the spirit of respect for the spectators that brought us, with our partners, to propose solutions to allow the race to take place in total safety. It is this same spirit that leads us today to make this gesture.

How do I get my money back, anyone know where I need to go? There's nothing about it in the Michelin, FIA, or F1 website.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter We would also like to take this opportunity to underline the fact that it is unacceptable that our partner teams have been accused by the FIA of having boycotted the Indianapolis Grand Prix. The reality is that together, Michelin and its partners have done everything possible to assure that the race could take place in total safety. We are extremely disappointed that the proposals made with all our teams were not accepted. These proposals, including a chicane, were technically viable and totally met all safety requirements. On Sunday morning, June 19, the sporting authority had all the means necessary to preserve the interest of the race. And yet, the sporting authority rejected the proposed solutions. Why? In our view this is totally incomprehensible and reflects a lack of respect for the spectators. It is the spirit of respect for the spectators that brought us, with our partners, to propose solutions to allow the race to take place in total safety. It is this same spirit that leads us today to make this gesture.

Couldn't agree more.

Fair play to them for what they're offering too, no need for them to do this.

Let's hope it's a good one this weekend. Pedro & Montoya fastest in practice.

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Originally posted by DarkFall01 How do I get my money back, anyone know where I need to go? There's nothing about it in the Michelin, FIA, or F1 website.

Im getting mine back I called the Indy Speed Way and they gave me the instructions.

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 Im getting mine back I called the Indy Speed Way and they gave me the instructions.

What do you have to do? I just called and the lady said that it's kind of automatic. I'm on their DB and that I should also check the website when the plans are made, that's it, I pretty much don't have to do anything

What I talked to a guy and he said that I should sent in my ticket stub to a specific address which I cant find now, and I should get my refund in 6-8 weeks

Michilins home track good ol' Magny Cours, I can clearly see another McLaren vs Renault battle here. Ferrari are the third contenders but i don;t think they have much to offer by looking at practise times.

Forza La Rosse

French Grand Prix qualifying:

1 Fernando Alonso (Spa) Renault 1min 14.412secs
2 Jarno Trulli (Ita) Toyota 1:14.521
3 Michael Schumacher (Ger) Ferrari 1:14.572
4 Takuma Sato (Jpn) BAR 1:14.655
5 Rubens Barrichello (Bra) Ferrari 1:14.832
6 Giancarlo Fisichella (Ita) Renault 1:14.887
7 Jenson Button (GB) BAR 1:15.051
8 Juan Montoya (Col) McLaren 1:15.406
9 Felipe Massa (Bra) Sauber 1:15.566
10 Jacques Villeneuve (Can) Sauber 1:15.699
11 Ralf Schumacher (Ger) Toyota 1:15.771
12 Mark Webber (Aus) Williams 1:15.885
13 Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) McLaren 1:14.559*
14 Nick Heidfeld (Ger) Williams 1:16.207
15 David Coulthard (GB) Red Bull 1:16.434
16 Christian Klien (Aut) Red Bull 1:16.547
17 Narain Karthikeyan (Ind) Jordan 1:17.857
18 Patrick Freisacher (Aut) Minardi 1:17.960
19 Tiago Monteiro (Por) Jordan 1:18.047
20 Christijan Albers (Ned) Minardi 1:18.335

Grid looks pretty good - although the ferrari's are too high for my liking , shame kimi had to be put down 10 places.

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