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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Quote from that site http://www.djlivesets.com/policies.html: It is important to mention that if you are a DJ or recording label truly feels that DJlivesets.com intentions are not plausibly appropriate, we can remove any related material from works of you or recording label and we are willing and open for any negotiation. That was all? :P But thx for mentioning it

you dont seem annoyed....i find that odd. You seem to be annoyed at people who download music and dont give the artist any money, yet you are not really annoyed at the fact that people are selling music and keeping the money for themselves...seems to me that downloading for free is not as bad as selling them and keeping the cash....no?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 you dont seem annoyed....i find that odd. You seem to be annoyed at people who download music and dont give the artist any money, yet you are not really annoyed at the fact that people are selling music and keeping the money for themselves...seems to me that downloading for free is not as bad as selling them and keeping the cash....no?

Of course it's not good to see people make cash out of that. But in fact i don't know if it's legal or not. And the fact that he offers removal is comforting me a bit. And if i would make a very big deal of every case of mp3ing, copying, liveset offering or whatever i would have died 5 years ago. It's there, I can't change it, but I can try to live with it and take it as it is...

its cost too much...

Hi,

I'd like to "mix" in.

It's true. Filesharing is good for popularity. thats the only positive thing about it. I agree Dj's are still the most important to popularity.

Producers make money on compilations. I think the amount of compilations has really dropped since 2000. Because the cd's just ain't selling no more. This is definately due to mp3 and filesharing.

If p2p would have stayed underground i think there would be no problem at all. But nowadays even my grandfather knows how to download his music from the net. The problem is: nobody worries about it being illegal.

Positive thing is that the market for payed downloads is growing very fast. Itunes and sites like that have become huge. Every label has put their entire catalogue of many years online. (you dont find that in your music store!)

I think ordinary people will start using this payed downloading more and more. It's getting so easy and always get quality.

To illustrate: Everybody can install a ringtone program and install ringtones + images on their mobile phone. But because these ringtone sites and adds make it so damn easy. people don't even bother and pay that 1,25 euro for a ringtone.

Mp3 will dissapear within years. Why compress when you can get the full monty 100% original wav file in 5 minutes on your ultrafast connection.

But i think the industry will strike back. Big companies don't like there movies to be shared. There's a lot more money involved in there. They will scare ordinary people off for downloading. (like with the last Starwars movie).


We'll see where it's going. Maybe you'll see me playing on the street with my casio keyboard in a few years. (gettoblaster in the background ofcourse)

Since performing live will then be the only way to make some living out of music................


greets
Ralphie B

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Originally posted by rbarends Hi, I'd like to "mix" in. It's true. Filesharing is good for popularity. thats the only positive thing about it. I agree Dj's are still the most important to popularity. Producers make money on compilations. I think the amount of compilations has really dropped since 2000. Because the cd's just ain't selling no more. This is definately due to mp3 and filesharing.

I kinda sympathise there ralphie however my point would be that there is a lack of good compilations on the market anyway, the quality for example between armins last couple of offerings & his boundaries of imagination are noticable, we're not getting anymore Magik, Trance Nation (Which ferry did for a bit on MoS) or ITWT ones. This year I've bought 2 & pre-ordered 3 more techno compilations, yet the only trance one I can see myself buying is John 00 Flemings White label euphoria, why am I buying that one ? well, originality, I've not seen the tracks everywhere else on 20 other compilations.

I'd also say - mixing- some of the compilations out now are atrociously mixed, the gatecrasher being one, it's like people aren't trying and the majority of trance listeners are more informed than that, they can see past it, and expect better, and understandably so. I think the market is there, IF the effort went into the compilations to be mixed well, selected well etc, using unknown gems and not just having say Armin rls a compilation thats 90% stuff of his own label etc

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Originally posted by rbarends Hi, Since performing live will then be the only way to make some living out of music................

Or make good albums! I think they won't disappear.. At least I will never quit on buying music i really like, and I think there are enough people with me that will do so too.

if u trance producers and record companies could have focus a but more on quality.. instead of releasing the same generic bullshit as u do.. maybe we will see some good compilations with new and fresh music on them.. quite frankly.. its not only p2p that has destroyed the "marked" of electronic music, in this case, mostly trance.. its also the decreasing quality of each work being released..

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Originally posted by gouuryella Right, but you have alot of producers that arent DJs. This is a serious issue, like people mentioned above that people that download music will still download music, but people that really appriciate it, will buy tracks and albums for the support of thier favorite producers or djs.

I think that is the biggest problem in the scene and the reason why many are so disappoint the music has not been good as of late.

Seems that you have to be a good DJ before you can start producing your own music, to support yourself. I'm not saying that EVERY producer isn't successful, what i'm saying that successful DJs have more leeway to produce because if they need some money they can spin at a club and get paid. A producer does not have that prilliage, the funny thing is that the producer is more important to the scene then the DJ is.

Things will get better. You all have to remember that downloading digital music for a fee is something new. Technology has not become insynch with the services provided, I wouldn't be surprized if the government stepped in to regulate the devices like mp3 players/cellphone with digital services like itunes and other poplar outlets. Sadly, there will always be piracy as their will always be hackers there readay to crack the code. The real battle is the majority.

Heres some reasons

a) The tune is shit
b) the tune takes half a year or longer to be available to buy and no one is intrested in it anymore

I have a real problem with B, its not like years ago when the majority of us HAD to wait to BUY the vinyl/cd.

Nowadays you can get it months ahead of release and burn to cdr. By the time the vinyl is out your sick of the tune and dont even wanna play it let alone buy it.

Sure we SHOULD buy the music but in reality what ive stated above is what happens with everyone im sure.

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Originally posted by arwoo b) the tune takes half a year or longer to be available to buy and no one is intrested in it anymore

I would agree with that.

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Originally posted by rbarends Hi, I'd like to "mix" in. It's true. Filesharing is good for popularity. thats the only positive thing about it. I agree Dj's are still the most important to popularity. Producers make money on compilations. I think the amount of compilations has really dropped since 2000. Because the cd's just ain't selling no more. This is definately due to mp3 and filesharing. If p2p would have stayed underground i think there would be no problem at all. But nowadays even my grandfather knows how to download his music from the net. The problem is: nobody worries about it being illegal. Positive thing is that the market for payed downloads is growing very fast. Itunes and sites like that have become huge. Every label has put their entire catalogue of many years online. (you dont find that in your music store!) I think ordinary people will start using this payed downloading more and more. It's getting so easy and always get quality. To illustrate: Everybody can install a ringtone program and install ringtones + images on their mobile phone. But because these ringtone sites and adds make it so damn easy. people don't even bother and pay that 1,25 euro for a ringtone. Mp3 will dissapear within years. Why compress when you can get the full monty 100% original wav file in 5 minutes on your ultrafast connection. But i think the industry will strike back. Big companies don't like there movies to be shared. There's a lot more money involved in there. They will scare ordinary people off for downloading. (like with the last Starwars movie). We'll see where it's going. Maybe you'll see me playing on the street with my casio keyboard in a few years. (gettoblaster in the background ofcourse) Since performing live will then be the only way to make some living out of music................ greets Ralphie B

CD compilations used to be where the money was, but nowadays it's a slap in the face. I've had the pleasure of having "The Morning After" on approx 10 comps, big Sony ones at that, but If you knew how much I earned you'd probably laugh!

This is why its so important for people to buy vinyls, if you truly like that artist's work, buy it! I hate how people always go back to the "make music becuase you like it not becuase of the money", what's wrong with earning money for something you truly love doing? Isn't that better than earning money for something you don't? Ie. you everyday job?

Digital download sites will never be the sole source of income I don't think, not when people can download the tracks free, even if it costs a measily 1 Euro. Judging by some of the sales statements I've seen, there's a long way to go before a label can survive off digital sales alone.

MP3's wont die anytime soon, lets not get this confused. MP3's have been around for a better part of 10 years? Since, better and smaller formats have come out but they've yet to replace mp3s becuase mp3s have become a standard. It's true that broadband allows us to transfer larger files more quickly but I just don't see it happening.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I would agree with that.

There is actually a reason why this happens, a very good one. Why does it take 3-6 months for a track to come out?

1) Promotion, there needs to be a good amount of promo work done for it to be noticed by a large number of people. You have to realize that not everyone listens to ASOT or browses forums, I'd say a large majority of people don't have access to these promotional tools.

2) Distrubuters. They are the one who call the shots, not the label. It's the distributers job to figure out whether the market is good enough. It also costs money to press vinyls, which you get from the distributers. You can press it yourself, but you will still wait for the distribution to 'ok' the release. The reason why the hold things back is that it costs them money to do all these things, money which doesn't grow on trees and money which they don't get immediately, so a time delay is necessary. It's also not to oversaturate the market (god knows it already is). Imagine a label pushing out dozens of releases monthly? Not that it could happen becuase there isn't that much good material around! It also wouldn't make sense financially.

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Originally posted by rbarends Hi, I'd like to "mix" in. It's true. Filesharing is good for popularity. thats the only positive thing about it. I agree Dj's are still the most important to popularity. Producers make money on compilations. I think the amount of compilations has really dropped since 2000. Because the cd's just ain't selling no more. This is definately due to mp3 and filesharing. If p2p would have stayed underground i think there would be no problem at all. But nowadays even my grandfather knows how to download his music from the net. The problem is: nobody worries about it being illegal. Positive thing is that the market for payed downloads is growing very fast. Itunes and sites like that have become huge. Every label has put their entire catalogue of many years online. (you dont find that in your music store!) I think ordinary people will start using this payed downloading more and more. It's getting so easy and always get quality. To illustrate: Everybody can install a ringtone program and install ringtones + images on their mobile phone. But because these ringtone sites and adds make it so damn easy. people don't even bother and pay that 1,25 euro for a ringtone. Mp3 will dissapear within years. Why compress when you can get the full monty 100% original wav file in 5 minutes on your ultrafast connection. But i think the industry will strike back. Big companies don't like there movies to be shared. There's a lot more money involved in there. They will scare ordinary people off for downloading. (like with the last Starwars movie). We'll see where it's going. Maybe you'll see me playing on the street with my casio keyboard in a few years. (gettoblaster in the background ofcourse) Since performing live will then be the only way to make some living out of music................ greets Ralphie B

nice & good to see you producing again.

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Or make good albums! I think they won't disappear.. At least I will never quit on buying music i really like, and I think there are enough people with me that will do so too.

yea its definately really cool to have some tracks on wax

hey ralphie , any news about 'First State' release date ?

if there aint no mp3, there aint no scene. try it.

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Originally posted by PEZ68 hey ralphie , any news about 'First State' release date ?

One of the near releases on ITWT.

greets
Ralph

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Originally posted by Denser if there aint no mp3, there aint no scene. try it.

A big ol' hearty LOL to this. I seem to recall there was quite a scene long before MP3s were even a buzzword.

I pay for music when i enjoy it and can buy it in a music store. I wouldnt know where to go to find compilations the likes of which my fav DJ's spin in their sets. Therefore i purchase music mostly from "commercial" artists but download EDM sets and sometimes singles because i cant get them on CD.

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Originally posted by Subtle if u trance producers and record companies could have focus a but more on quality..

The top sellers now don't sell as much as back then. So you are saying all music is inferior compared to say 7 years ago?

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Originally posted by Denser if there aint no mp3, there aint no scene. try it.

I don't know where you live but here in Europe the dance scene is promoted by dj's. They can make a record big or not. I can't recall a song that's not spun by dj's but still big....

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij The top sellers now don't sell as much as back then. So you are saying all music is inferior compared to say 7 years ago?

7 years ago, u would have to the record stores to get the track/album u wanted.. if u would buy a single.. i would have a plastic cover and a couple of remixes and B-Sides..

Trance music was better before, until everybody wanted, and could produce, the marked is overflowing.. so.. if the record companies could focus on getting more quality stuff released.. it would definitely help the scene..

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Originally posted by Subtle 7 years ago, u would have to the record stores to get the track/album u wanted.. if u would buy a single.. i would have a plastic cover and a couple of remixes and B-Sides.. Trance music was better before, until everybody wanted, and could produce, the marked is overflowing.. so.. if the record companies could focus on getting more quality stuff released.. it would definitely help the scene..

That's why I said: ALL music sold more, not just trance. So in my opinion music isn't selling less because it's not as good as then. All music styles suffer. But if what you say is true, ALL music would be less good as it was back then, because all music styles sell less.

But as for trance, i think record companies already do filter out the bad stuff, because it's very hard to release something and reach a break evenpoint.

I'am not going to argue with you whether you think the music is as good as back then or not. Freedom of taste and speech rules!

*looks at his Kamaya Painters - Wasteland record*
I love that record.

See? Even older stuff that was released a while ago I still buy. It's funny. If I had been born a few years earlier I would have been much more current with these songs.

But as it stands, I still download and buy older tracks as well as newer tracks, because a lot of the olders stuff is new to me.
It's been 6 years or so since I've been into EDM, but there's some older gems that always surprise me and I buy.

Nou was kinda ranking on me buying old tracks because, as a DJ most people want to hear more current stuff, but I BUY music because I want the 12"; I want something tangible in my hand.

So yes. In the techincal written law. Downloading music, is a COPYright violation. So I agree with Benno, and many others. IT IS STEALING. And really. That shouldn't be even argued. It can be JUSTIFIED one way or the other, but no one can say "I am not stealing."

But without stealing, I wouldn't love this genre (and as put as much money into it, with buying records and stuff to mix and produce with as well as going to live events) as much as I do today. Unlike older people, I didn't get into it by going to parties and clubs (plus I live in America and the scene wasn't as pronounced); so hats off to P2P and the internet as a whole because that's how I got into the stuff.

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Originally posted by DJFreaq (plus I live in America and the scene wasn't as pronounced); so hats off to P2P and the internet as a whole because that's how I got into the stuff.

For places where the trance scene isn't really big, it's indeed good promotion. Gotta thank you for actually buying the stuff you liked, so hats off to u too!

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