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Djdarren, I see you haven't really read any of the discussion mentioned earlier and immediately came to respond to the last few posts. The problem with the whole situation is not that the muslims shouldn't feel offended or have a right to protest and boycot danish goods, the problem is that they're really taking things way too far by burning embassies and calling for mass murders in Europe. The second thing here is that I really don't recall you guys being very upset about the demolition of those two huge Buddha statues in Afghanistan. Remember those? Where was muslim outrage about religious tolerance then?

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Originally posted by emc^2 Parting shot: Islam is relatively the youngest religion - it's only about 1400 years old. Remember what was going on with Christianity at sweet 1400? That's right - the inquisition, dark ages, etc. So, I figure in about 600 or so years, Islam should catch on with today's standards and realize that loping people's heads of or blowing up buildings and people is just a bad PR and tends to upset few folks here and there. In about 200 years we may hopefully begin to witness the age of Islamic Renaissance. Worst case scanario prognosis - 600 or so years is not that long to wait for a good thing, eh?

I've actually commented on this to a bunch of people when talking about world politics and what's going on the middle east. It's just too bad that they didn't learn from Christianity's mistakes.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 There's one more thing about that Guardian article that was misrepresented, and I think you missed it. One more big difference between anti-jewish cartoons and these caricatures is that these are not state sponsored and therefore have as much to do with the state of Denmark as those freaks in London had to do with UK.

You make a very good point.

I tell ya what tho, these riots will pale into insignificance compared to the riots that will break out when the Da Vinci Code film is released in May!...

or maybe not...

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Originally posted by djdarren so what is this mean? you can not be modern if you are religious?

You can be modern if you are religious to an extent, but you cannot be fundamentalist religious and be modern (mentally speaking of course) Eg - teaching creationism as scientific fact, even if you teach it on the latest computers (!) is not modern, its backwards...

Ok that's it, the Iranians have gone too far. How dare they cheapen the sanctity of our name changing by imitating us.

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CARTOON CRISIS: IRAN RENAMES DANISH PASTRIES Tehran, 7 Feb. (AKI) - Iran has decided to rename Danish pastries "Mohammedan" pastry - a new twist in the crisis which has triggered protest by Muslims throughout the world against cartoons of Mohammed first published in Denmark. The name change recalls when some Americans started calling French fries, "Freedom fries" to protest France's opposition to the United States-led invasion of Iraq. http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.p...261677120&par=0

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Originally posted by George Smiley I tell ya what tho, these riots will pale into insignificance compared to the riots that will break out when the Da Vinci Code film is released in May!... or maybe not...

I doubt it Christians in the US when they dont like something they do a small protest or have it banned...like the Mormons in Utah they cant see half the programs and bits of film because everything is edited there I believe.

That pastry name change is hillarious...i think im gonna go buy some Freedom Fries..IDIOTS

Iran reminds me of that neighborhood retard who walks around trying to get his ass kicked but everyone realizes that the kid is retarded so they ignore him but he won't shut up until someone bitch slaps his face.

I bet Iran is trying to provoke Israel to strike:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast...n.ap/index.html

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Originally posted by emc^2 Iran reminds me of that neighborhood retard who walks around trying to get his ass kicked but everyone realizes that the kid is retarded so they ignore him but he won't shut up until someone bitch slaps his face. I bet Iran is trying to provoke Israel to strike: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast...n.ap/index.html

And I bet if US dosent invade Iran this year, Israel will fall into that 'trap'.

Edit: Why does Iran has to be so fucking cool, to think out of the box and give a fitting reply to the western world. Iran you FTW!

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Originally posted by emc^2 Iran reminds me of that neighborhood retard who walks around trying to get his ass kicked but everyone realizes that the kid is retarded so they ignore him but he won't shut up until someone bitch slaps his face. I bet Iran is trying to provoke Israel to strike: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast...n.ap/index.html

After they publish the cartoons and get even (not that the Jews did anything to them in this thing), can all of this bullshit cease?

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The West's publication of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons was an Israeli conspiracy motivated by anger over Hamas' win in the Palestinian elections, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said Tuesday. Speaking to Iranian air force personnel, Khamenei the cartoons were a scandal, particularly as they came "from those who champion civilization and free expression." The caricatures amounted to a "conspiracy by Zionists who were angry because of the victory of Hamas," he said, referring to the Palestinian militant group that won a surprise landslide victory in last month's elections. Khamenei, who has the final word on all matters in Iran's Islamic system, was speaking at a ceremony to mark the air force's decision to join the Islamic revolution in 1979. His speech was broadcast on state radio.

Weren't these cartoons printed in late September/early October? I mean seriously, if you're going to brainwash your people, at least get the facts straight. They need to take lessons from America's spin machine about how to spread propoganda to the people.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy After they publish the cartoons and get even (not that the Jews did anything to them in this thing), can all of this bullshit cease?

Well that will depend on how Israel and Western world react to such cartoons.

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Originally posted by emc^2 Iran reminds me of that neighborhood retard who walks around trying to get his ass kicked but everyone realizes that the kid is retarded so they ignore him but he won't shut up until someone bitch slaps his face. I bet Iran is trying to provoke Israel to strike: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast...n.ap/index.html

I hope Israel just looks the other way on this & basically says we dont give a fuck. Then hopefully the Muslims will stop whining.

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Originally posted by Purple Well that will depend on how Israel and Western world react to such cartoons.

Rest assured, it shall be a vigorous roll of the eyes that will surely rival this intoonfada.

I say kick Iran out of UN, sanction the piss out of it, see how long Iran will continue the same policy. Though it will mean that oil prices will skyrocket... probably into tripple digits.

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Originally posted by occrider Rest assured, it shall be a vigorous roll of the eyes that will surely rival this intoonfada.

Yes, from the majority, or I say 99% of people, but even if 1% decide to retaliate to it posting more cartoons of Muslim Prophet in a bad way, than we will be back to day 1.

this is such a convoluted issue.

Islam was/is a relatively benign religion (at least compared to many other denominations), until the oil money begat western educations and contacts with a socially and economically distant populace. Any Christian or Jew would scoff at anyone condemning their sect. The money now fuels a distinct few preaching war. Islam is no different, except the numerous sects that existed are now few.

Central Asia used to be the center of Islam that eschewed war and conflict, but thats changing. Iran has an unrestful youth culture that would much rather change the country themselve than have the West fuck it up for them.

Fundies screw things up for the rest of us, and its a shame as most can and *have* coexisted for such a long time without complete conflict. Overall worldwide crises have subsided a bit, yet the conflict that does occur, occurs againsts those standing by.

I agree with the Danish freedoms, yet I feel that any Danish Muslims should qualify that with the freedoms they are allowed by moving to Northern Europe.

the comment relating Islam to a young religion and the Crusades is particularly touching. is there a connection? did the original work? no.

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Originally posted by Purple Yes, from the majority, or I say 99% of people, but even if 1% decide to retaliate to it posting more cartoons of Muslim Prophet in a bad way, than we will be back to day 1.

So you say that if someone in the west creates more cartoons in response to the anti-Jew ones, that's copmparable to the reactions we've seen from Islamists?

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Originally posted by emc^2 There's another cartoon circulating around: it shows a group of suicide bombers trying to enter heaven and the prophet saying: "There are no more virgins left." - now that's LOL!

That is one of the original cartoons. If you had cared to read the thread before posting, you would have known that.

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Originally posted by emc^2 I say kick Iran out of EU, sanction the piss out of it, see how long Iran will continue the same policy. Though it will mean that oil prices will skyrocket... probably into tripple digits.

Iran is not part of the EU. I'd suggest that you get a little better grip on facts if you want anyone to take your opinion seriously.

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Originally posted by trancaholic So you say that if someone in the west creates more cartoons in response to the anti-Jew ones, that's copmparable to the reactions we've seen from Islamists?

No, what I am saying is that it will again lead to violent protests from Muslim people.

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Originally posted by trancaholic That is one of the original cartoons. If you had cared to read the thread before posting, you would have known that.

Sorry, I do have life outside of TA and don't bother reading each and every line of post. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings too much

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Iran is not part of the EU.

I meant UN.

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Originally posted by emc^2 I meant UN.

You spelled wrong?

Was it a spelling mistake?

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Originally posted by Purple You spelled wrong? Was it a spelling mistake?

thinking mistake.

So I haven't had time to post in this forum now for a few days (I really don't have time to post now either but I really had to get this out of me ), I have however had time to follow the events of the �Muhammad Cartoons� quite closely. I must say this is starting to amaze me more and more day for day. Watching the pictures of thousands upon thousands of people demonstrating all over the Muslim world (and in the western world too), burning embassies, changing names of pastries (wtf), etc. is shocking me more and more for every day.

Let's pause here. Let's stop and reflect on what's really going on. They are doing this for some fucking cartoons? I mean really, think about it, some satirical cartoons (which 99% of the ppl demonstrating haven't even seen) are creating all this?! And not only are they some satirical cartoons, they are some cartoons from a newspaper on fucking Jutland, Denmark?! I really don't know what to think about this major overreaction, it's hard to even try to understand how these people think!

To me it's becoming more and more obvious for every day that goes by that this has nothing whatsoever to do with the cartoons, but with power. A great known tactic to keep power is to hold people under fear. Many of the religious/political extremists in the middle east (and the west) use this as an excuse to hold on to their power, they create lies, over exaggerate things etc, all to polarize the (mostly illiterate) Muslim world and make extremist movements gain momentum (more Muslim extremists in the middle east/west, more anti-Muslim extremists in the west). I guess their hope is that this creates further provocation by the west so they can further deepen the rift between our worlds and strengthen their power with their extremists views.

I really hope Rasmussen's dialogues will help and make our cultures come closer, but sadly I doubt it. At the same time as I don't want any further polarization I hope that the west won't be afraid to criticise Islam in the future, cause no matter how important our multicultural society is, I still value freedom of speech higher. And I also think that these people in the west that can't tolerate to have their religion criticised don't belong to the west, and should go back to the middle east where no one ever will criticise their religion.

/back to school stuff

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Originally posted by St_Andrew So I haven't had time to post in this forum now for a few days (I really don't have time to post now either but I really had to get this out of me ), I have however had time to follow the events of the �Muhammad Cartoons� quite closely. I must say this is starting to amaze me more and more day for day. Watching the pictures of thousands upon thousands of people demonstrating all over the Muslim world (and in the western world too), burning embassies, changing names of pastries (wtf), etc. is shocking me more and more for every day. Let's pause here. Let's stop and reflect on what's really going on. They are doing this for some fucking cartoons? I mean really, think about it, some satirical cartoons (which 99% of the ppl demonstrating haven't even seen) are creating all this?! And not only are they some satirical cartoons, they are some cartoons from a newspaper on fucking Jutland, Denmark?! I really don't know what to think about this major overreaction, it's hard to even try to understand how these people think! To me it's becoming more and more obvious for every day that goes by that this has nothing whatsoever to do with the cartoons, but with power. A great known tactic to keep power is to hold people under fear. Many of the religious/political extremists in the middle east (and the west) use this as an excuse to hold on to their power, they create lies, over exaggerate things etc, all to polarize the (mostly illiterate) Muslim world and make extremist movements gain momentum (more Muslim extremists in the middle east/west, more anti-Muslim extremists in the west). I guess their hope is that this creates further provocation by the west so they can further deepen the rift between our worlds and strengthen their power with their extremists views. I really hope Rasmussen's dialogues will help and make our cultures come closer, but sadly I doubt it. At the same time as I don't want any further polarization I hope that the west won't be afraid to criticise Islam in the future, cause no matter how important our multicultural society is, I still value freedom of speech higher. And I also think that these people in the west that can't tolerate to have their religion criticised don't belong to the west, and should go back to the middle east where no one ever will criticise their religion. /back to school stuff

Totally agree I think most of them have forgotten about the cartoon or are using it as an excuse to take on their "enemies" aka the West...the more this drags out the more they look bad to me.

I was talking to a friend of mine just a bit ago and he almost hit me over this. He is a muslim and up to now I thought he had a brain. He says that no one should do this and this would be worse than painting jesus in a bad light...so I told him that that happens quite often actually most religions except Muslim have been made fun of all in good fun even at church ago I have heard the priest making some jokes. He wouldnt let go of the idea saying that his religion was greater than anyone elses....

I am Hindu and we had our Godesses depicted on CD Covers of Adult Movie DVDs, also of our Gods on shoes/footwears and beer bottles.

We just sent a polite protest letter and it was removed and case closed.

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Originally posted by Purple No, what I am saying is that it will again lead to violent protests from Muslim people.

Ah, then I get it. Frankly I don't think any kind of reaction or lack thereof from the West will change things. They'll still be mad at Denmark and Norway, and claim that Zionists are behind at the same time. At least the publication of the cartoons by foreign news papers have so far yet to manifest themselves as any kind of change in the behaviour of the herds.

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Originally posted by emc^2 Sorry, I do have life outside of TA and don't bother reading each and every line of post. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings too much

Was that a vague ad hominem? Anyway, don't worry about my feelings, I'm just telling you that you come across as someone who's not really considered the issue in much depth and has no wish to actually get acquainted with the facts behind it. Carry on.

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