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Originally posted by Killah Monkey I AM BLAMING CNN... I just hate watching it. I can't stand it... what can anyone do about it?? right!

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Originally posted by starsearcher I *heart* my tv box...but I have no time for it anymore This kind of idea reminds of the "sticking your head in the sand" idea - if you can't see it, it doesn't happen...although you do have some good points, but underlying idea behind the argument i disagree with *edit* I think if you are intelligent enough you will make your own judgements and assumptions about what you hear and what you read. There is no need to ignore them.

It really has nothing to do with the level of your intelligence. Are you able to decipher what they tell you on the news is true or not? Are you going to take a flight to Iran to see the war going on for yourself?

When you watch television, it has been proven that your brain waves change to something similar of that if you were under hypnosis. When you hear the same words being said over and over, you may not even realize it, but sub-conciously you are absorbing the message. It on a whole can change your attitude, and overall mood.

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Originally posted by simms327 here are a friends of mine comments on the whole thing i agree with them

that's the dumbest post in this thread yet.

I suppose you'll be one of the first people to blame the gov't, CSIS, the RCMP, etc. when they "failed to protect us" if/when something DOES happen

kids were/are used ALL the time in terrorist activities.

the IRA enjoyed having a kid go knock at a door of an intended victim...youths are recruited as suicide bombers in the middle east...and foreign militaries employ minors as well.

why is this so hard to fathom as possible here?

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Originally posted by Theresa It really has nothing to do with the level of your intelligence. Are you able to decipher what they tell you on the news is true or not? Are you going to take a flight to Iran to see the war going on for yourself?

No I won't, but that's exaclty what I'm saying - (a) I don't have to watch it if I don't want to, and (b) I am the one who will decide how I'm going to use and react to the information I'm receiving.

All I'm saying is that just to turn away from it all by assuming it's all negative and makes me generally sad, worried, or become a crazy shopper/consumer is just not something I agree with and it seems like I'm just hiding from it cause I can't handle it. (it sounds more harsh than how i really view it though)

Just for the record I'm not saying that all news is great, accurate, or relevant I certainly don't agree with much of it, but I just don't think that isolating yourself from it is the right thing to do.

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Originally posted by MarkT that's the dumbest post in this thread yet. I suppose you'll be one of the first people to blame the gov't, CSIS, the RCMP, etc. when they "failed to protect us" if/when something DOES happen kids were/are used ALL the time in terrorist activities. the IRA enjoyed having a kid go knock at a door of an intended victim...youths are recruited as suicide bombers in the middle east...and foreign militaries employ minors as well. why is this so hard to fathom as possible here?

+1

We can no longer, as a country, sit in our own little corner of the world and watch these things happen to others and pretend it'll never happen to us; it is and I guarantee this won't be the last of these type of arrests (hopefully).

Let's not be naive about this people...

All of the suspects were either born in Canada or were long-time residents. Luc Portelance, the assistant director of operations for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) called it a case of "home-grown terrorism."

This is an excerpt from CBC.

The suspects are so young!

I have quite the contempt for broadcast news. But it doesn't stop me from reading many points of view; I find that reading only brings temporary emotion about where as when i watch TV I feel like throwing a blunt object at the wall.

PEOPLE! STOP watching CNN! You're rotting your brain with that crap. Anything is better...okay, maybe not C-Span.

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Originally posted by MarkT that's the dumbest post in this thread yet. I suppose you'll be one of the first people to blame the gov't, CSIS, the RCMP, etc. when they "failed to protect us" if/when something DOES happen kids were/are used ALL the time in terrorist activities. the IRA enjoyed having a kid go knock at a door of an intended victim...youths are recruited as suicide bombers in the middle east...and foreign militaries employ minors as well. why is this so hard to fathom as possible here?

Yeah I found those points quite naive as well. These 17 arrested have been watched videod and recorded for the last several months. There's no political issue here. I applaud CSIS and the RCMP for potentially saving our lives.

This whole event has really made me reconsider multiculturalism. Multiculturalism creates a seperation among different cultutres within society. you have these different groups that have thier own identity and really dont want to be canadian or integrate fully into an alternate society. There can never be true unity in a multicultural canada. there is only these segragated groups with thier own views and ideals. If you dont like canada dont fucking live here. we let people into our country and they foster these beliefs amongst themselves? that is a total disrespect all they care about is thier own kind and dont want to integrate with others like i said before. sorry but we are clearly seeing that multiculturalism isnt working. im going to move out of canada and go back to my parents homeland. ill fit in there more then canada even though i was born here.

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Originally posted by MarkT why is this so hard to fathom as possible here?

because this is not America, and the whole wide wonderful world knows it.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 because this is not America, and the whole wide wonderful world knows it.

al-Qaida made Canada a target, the whole world knows it.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie al-Qaida made Canada a target, the whole world knows it.

Percieved alignment with America; Canadians are not Americans, and the whole world knows it.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 Percieved alignment with America; Canadians are not Americans, and the whole world knows it.

Canada, US for them it's all the same

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Originally posted by AC-Milan Canada, US for them it's all the same

"The west" - we're all going to burn in hell

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Originally posted by zokissima All I can say to that is that your own views of Islam do not reflect the views of many other Muslims with whom I have spoken.

Dude, you must hang out with the same Muslims who are being accused of terrorism for their violent/ignorant tendencies OR you've done something to piss off the Muslims you've spoken to.

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Originally posted by zokissima So please don't retort with "that is not a true Muslim/Christian/Whatever". The world is NOT full of secular human beings, it is in fact full of those wishing to cut their own piece of the pie, and stick to what they know. Its just human nature.

LOL "that is DEFINITELY not a true Muslim/Christian/Whatever."

Furthermore, you think I'm secular?!?! FYI, there are more PRACTICING Muslims like me than of ANY OTHER CREDO in Toronto, so maybe if you got out of your little corner of this city, you'd find them. Get involved in various student groups and clubs and you'll find them.

We are not "cutting our own piece of the pie"; we are the MAJORITY.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 because this is not America, and the whole wide wonderful world knows it.

It's thinking like this that just got us in trouble in the first place; did you miss the arrests or something?

it's a good thing we have on the ball RCMP and CSIS who happily don't suffer from such thinking...

i really feel for the muslims that have to defend themselves from the ignorant.

a muslim guy told me "we dont WANT to bend over five times a day but we HAVE to..."

and a muslim woman told me "we dont WANT to cover ourselves in black but we HAVE to..."

who are you kidding?

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Originally posted by nismodreams a muslim guy told me "we dont WANT to bend over five times a day but we HAVE to..." and a muslim woman told me "we dont WANT to cover ourselves in black but we HAVE to..." who are you kidding?

I wouldn't go so far as to ridicule.
Each to their own I say; it's when it starts affecting others that I have issue...

They don't need to cover themselves in black - the religion has nothing to do with it, it's a culturla issue as far as I understand...and I don't get it - pure opression of women.

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Originally posted by starsearcher I don't get it - pure opression of women.

not to mention clitorectomy.....poor girls can't even play with themselves when their husbands are banging their other wives.

The thing that is most startling, is that they were mostly Canadian Citizens.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r It's thinking like this that just got us in trouble in the first place; did you miss the arrests or something? it's a good thing we have on the ball RCMP and CSIS who happily don't suffer from such thinking...

I didnt realise that media coverage of an event, exploitation of minuscule amounts of information and an whole lot of speculation was reason enough to lay a judgement of guilt.

To adopt american "thought" processes, like yours is, is exactly the kind of "thinking" we dont need here.

then again, immediate guilt on the basis of terrorist speculation is the american way, good luck with that.

^^^ best halloween costume EVER!

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 I didnt realise that media coverage of an event, exploitation of minuscule amounts of information and an whole lot of speculation was reason enough to lay a judgement of guilt. To adopt american "thought" processes, like yours is, is exactly the kind of "thinking" we dont need here. then again, immediate guilt on the basis of terrorist speculation is the american way, good luck with that.

Actually, you missed his point IMO.

Your assertion that "because this is not America, and the whole wide wonderful world knows it." seemed to imply that we are somehow different in the eyes of those who would seek to attack western nations.

That has nothing to do with the guilt of this particular party, but the notion that their arrests have made that we are indeed vulnerable to attack.

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