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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The TranceCritic review is finally up. Read it here.

Since when is this music classified as Trance?

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Originally posted by websley Since when is this music classified as Trance?

Since when has tranceaddict been solely about trance in recent memory? Why, oh why do people repeatedly like to bring up these worn-out and completely tired arguments and statements?

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Originally posted by Demoted Since when has tranceaddict been solely about trance in recent memory? Why, oh why do people repeatedly like to bring up these worn-out and completely tired arguments and statements?

Hehe... the 'Trance' part in TranceCritic.com does tend to confuse many when they see breaks, jungle, house, techno, downtempo, 'rocktronica', and a bunch of other things that aren't trance in the archives.

Steps are being taken that will eventually and hopefully help solve the confusion though.

We won't be "Trance" Critic soon, we will be EM Critic.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J We won't be "Trance" Critic soon, we will be EM Critic.

I can imagine that. I totally got the wrong idea of what your site had to offer. I thought you were a bunch a ASOT-freaks

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Originally posted by websley I can imagine that. I totally got the wrong idea of what your site had to offer. I thought you were a bunch a ASOT-freaks

Ouch. That hurts.

Mini-review to counter J's long one

This Binary Universe. New BT album. You know, the genius who produces mostly trash nowadays despite us all knowing he has the ability to do much, much better. Emotional Technology for one - did anybody actually like it? It tried too hard to be edgy and popular, and failed, with the exception of a few tracks.

Well, how about this? Well, Brian has chosen a different route now. Not a single more trace of radio music - instead, we get muzak. Elevator music. Wallpaper tunes. Nothing wrong with that in itself, look at Eno's Ambient series - it's a kickass genre if done right. So what does BT do?

I'll tell you what he does, he FUCKS UP. You know how music needs both a technical and an emotional aspect? This lacks the latter completely. BT showers us in random chords and twitchy effects (already done better by others) trying to make the music somehow more complicated. I 'spose it might work for some people, but I need *soul* in my music - I'm even willing to sacrifice all the quality to get that. Hell, if you know anything outside EDM, have a look at Ulver - Nattens Madrigal. The most ear-gratingly shit-quality norwegian black metal ever concieved, but so very deep, so very full of emotion.

What my former hero delivers here is so far from the ESCM days. Meandering, boring tracks, shallow grooves, "massive" classical climaxes that fail all the same. I can't even have this playing as background music, it's just... that bad.

Now that's not to say there aren't some highlights - 1.618 is an arguable masterpiece for a few moments when the gorgeous plucky melody hasn't gotten raped by techwankery yet. The Anhtkythera Mechanism has that massive classical climax I mentioned - it's probably the very height of production quality, but lacks something vital that places it much below *actual* symphonic stuff of epic stories, like, say, the Gladiator Soundtrack. Good Morning Kaia is decent all the way through, but building on a very simple chordloop in a rather efficient wavy way, and the culmination of this sunrise is a magnificent beast indeed - but it also has an extremely disturbing glitch-sequence near the end that forces me to skip it before my ears get hurt.

Bleh, in short: BT is now lost in the other aspect - the opposite of his previous album. (as in too obscure opposed to too commercial) I strongly suspect he has lost his "gift". The ability to convey feelings through music, the ability to... reach anything more than machinelike, cold perfection.

You know how the binary system consists of ones and zeroes? Yeah, I don't even need to finish this sentence.

Cinos, you're only capable of registering emotion in music when it's blindingly fucking obvious. I say the album is understated and restrained in the review and so it's no surprise that it flies straight over your head.

Oh, and you're grossly intolerant to stuff which you aren't familiar with, which is why you're whining constantly about how "glitchy" this album is.

Oh, and one more: it isn't wallpaper music. In fact, your whole counter review is full of shit I've already second-guessed and detailed in my review. So in effect it's completely redundant. And thus no counter at all.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos

How they let you in TC I'll never understand. I've never seen you write anything coherent.

You are always against the public opinion just to get a rise out of people and it's so blindingly obvious it's not even funny.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery How they let you in TC I'll never understand. I've never seen you write anything coherent. You are always against the public opinion just to get a rise out of people and it's so blidingly obvious it's not even funny.

He's all but retired now.

You're missing one thing. I *like* glitchbient. Or whatever the hell you call it. BT just doesn't do it well.

Only when emotion is obvious? Listen to that fucking album I mentioned and say if it's obvious.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos You're missing one thing. I *like* glitchbient. Or whatever the hell you call it. BT just doesn't do it well.

I think you're missing one thing. Namely the point. This album does not fit into any pre-defined conventions of any genre. Which is why you have glitch sitting next to ambient sitting next to orchestra sitting next to synthy downbeat breaks next to guitars next to jazz...

If you actually considered the fucking review rather than rushing off to name some obscure bullshit you discovered on your own (thus rendering it superior to anything hyped that you personally didn't discover) you might realise why you didn't get the album (and it's blatant that you didn't, judging from all your comments on it) and that maybe, just maybe, you should actually accept the artistic intent of the musician at hand rather than getting pissed off that it doesn't fit in with your tunnel-vision expectations of music. Hell, a few months ago you regarded all rock and guitar based music as objectively inferior to EDM, simply because you were too narrow minded to give it a fair fucking shout. And you're not special because you managed to finally discover something else (metal), because I bet you couldn't get your head round most of the genres of music in the world, which is forever going to cripple your outlook on something as eclectic as This Binary Universe. Oh, and here's a thing: it's actually possible to be subtle about emotional content in more than one way. Not that you'd know because you're blind to everything but the aesthetic.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I think you're missing one thing. Namely the point. This album does not fit into any pre-defined conventions of any genre. Which is why you have glitch sitting next to ambient sitting next to orchestra sitting next to synthy downbeat breaks next to guitars next to jazz... If you actually considered the fucking review rather than rushing off to name some obscure bullshit you discovered on your own (thus rendering it superior to anything hyped that you personally didn't discover) you might realise why you didn't get the album (and it's blatant that you didn't, judging from all your comments on it). Because here's a thing: it's actually possible to be subtle about emotional content in more than one way.

Let's all pull the "you don't like it because you didn't get it" self-righteous card. As if it's not possible to BOTH get music and dislike it.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos Let's all pull the "you don't like it because you didn't get it" self-righteous card. As if it's not possible to BOTH get music and dislike it.

I pull that card because it's evident from your fucking posts.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I pull that card because it's evident from your fucking posts.

I found your review to be over-positive gushing. You don't see me using the "worships release unobjectively just because he liked it" card.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos I found your review to be over-positive gushing. You don't see me using the "worships release unobjectively just because he liked it" card.

Show me a lack of objectivity. Show me the sentence that says "This is good because I like jazz piano and this has plenty of it". Show me anything where my personal tastes and opinions are evident in the text. Why don't you back your words up with something for once?

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos I found your review to be over-positive gushing. You don't see me using the "worships release unobjectively just because he liked it" card.

You just did.

If anyone would like to join our big happy family we're taking applications.

Ha! :P

It's pointless to argue over it. It's obviously a love it or hate it album and those are the ones that evoke so much arguement.

I've only listened once and just didn't get it. Whatever conclusion you end up coming to, it's really an album you have to give a few listens to before you can create a good opinion. It's interesting at least, it goes all over the place musically but you really have to wonder if thats smart of a musician to do, it can be if it's done right but it's definetly not easy to do.

I just didn't get all the transitions into different sounds, I guess they didn't really "flow" for me. The other problem is that I couldn't help but have expectations of what I was about to hear since I've listened to so much of BT's work. It's so different from that you have to forget all of his other work and focus on this new piece.

That glitchy effect (dunno what its called, sorry not a producer) is wayyy over-used. It's good on some parts but becomes repetitive and doesn't really add much to the music.

I guess I have to give it a few more listens and try to figure what the hell is going on with it because at this point it seems with deeper thought I could be overlooking a serious piece of art or on the other hand, a serious piece of shit...I'm just hoping I find the former.

First listened to it last night - I love it. But I love this style of music.

Sounds like Mike Oldfield blended with Eno & Vangelis with BT's trademark production tricks.

It has musical variety and great melody which isn't disguised by the technology and effects used.

Great work.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos I found your review to be over-positive gushing. You don't see me using the "worships release unobjectively just because he liked it" card.

trouble in paradise eh?

I personally love this album and couldn't care less if anyone else doesn't.

But first of all, this wasn't even expected to be a "hit" among the fans of BT's more "mainstream" productions.. they will get their share of new BT when he puts out the other, dance floor oriented artist album within the year.

I really like this one.

1.618, Antikythera Mechanism, 'Human and Good Morning Kaia are all superb, with Dynamic Symmetry not far behind.

I really like this release, I got it for free with my admission to see his show in Cambridge. Any remixes from this album yet?

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Originally posted by GrimReaper I personally love this album and couldn't care less if anyone else doesn't. But first of all, this wasn't even expected to be a "hit" among the fans of BT's more "mainstream" productions.. they will get their share of new BT when he puts out the other, dance floor oriented artist album within the year.

You said it Reaper.

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