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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Because people like you seem to think we all owe our forefathers some debt of the freedom they bestowed upon us by forfeiting theirs - it simply does not work that way. Rememberance is not something you give, it's just something you simply do, so why, oh why, are you so intent on convincing me that some noble deed was done years before I was ever conceived and that I should feel pride or debt or even shame that I could never be as brave as the dead and gone? People should not be burdened by the history of their people - ethnically or nationally. If we are to share our pride and remember all of the nobility and the glory and the sacrifice, then surely it is reprehensible to likewise forgot all of the atrocities of war merely because they do not fit our convenient image. I do not particularly think that any American should feel a great swell of pride when they recall, say, Nagasaki or Hiroshima. But men did it - men in history. What debt would you say that we owe for that? What freedom must we savor because a city full of fucking civilians was wiped off the map? You want to know why I am bitter over it? Because, just as you would love to fucking parade about, millions of people lost their lives in war. And we can celebrate this fact by closing banks, but we still have not learned a fucking thing.

again you are missing the point. the day isn't to remember or glorify the wars, the day is to remember and glorify the great personal sacrifices of those who served. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who wants to glorify war, especially among those who have actually been involved in it

You know what, this is going in cirles.

I am proud of my family's, and my nation's, contributions to WWI/II.

I am proud to live in a free country, with the right to express any dissent I may feel towards my government. I am proud to know many of the black, gay and disabled people I do, as they all have thier own story of overcoming society's challenges. Many of whom would no doubt have been killed in the name of ethnic purity by the Nazis.

I am proud to take two minutes of my day once a year to lower my head and contemplate what these people, volunteer or not, went through and to that which they bore witness.

I am appalled by your dismissal of so many people who made such a sacrifice, but I would go fight to the death for your right to say such things.

Some people in here need a history lesson. May I suggest you go down to the local legion hall and spend some time with the vets there? I'm sure they would love to hear you call thier dead friends skirt-chasers and adventurists.

Get some fucking respect.

Also, please bear in mind that the world was a very different place in 1914. Imperialism, the revolution of industry and limited media.
World War I was the first real departure from existing attritional warfare. Once upon a time, two armies would square off and take pot-shots at each other with black power rifles before one huge skirmish of hands and bayonets left one army decimated. Modern (for 1914) artillery and automatic weapons made clear the problems with industrialized attritional warfare. It was hell on earth, pure and simple. Whether they volunteered out of an all but forgotten sense of loyalty and duty to thier King, or were conscripted, the horrors of war were no less real to them.
Imagine it, just for a second. The smell of burnt and rotting flesh, sewage, cordite and mud...the constant drone of incoming and outgoing artillery and the screaming of the wounded. Disease, parasites, dissentry, the constant threat of death or worse. All this thrown in the face of a Canadian boy who knows nothing other than his family farm outside Winnipeg and that his country needs him. The nobility of it should be enough to humble any of you.

It's imporant to some of us. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

May they all, and may we all, live and rest in peace.

lol just for the record, i was being facetious with my "skirt chasing" comments

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Originally posted by fayraree lol just for the record, i was being facetious with my "skirt chasing" comments

grind your face with sandpaper!

even though I think you've made some silly comments on this thread, I still <3 you fahad

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Originally posted by Yohan grind your face with sandpaper! even though I think you've made some silly comments on this thread, I still <3 you fahad

f u my serious points were all valid, 'cept for a few minor anally retentive concessions to Mr. Hazard. lol and I need to study a fucking history book. I was the President of the fucking U of T History Student Association, bitches! (I ended up with a major by coincidence, my focus was IR).

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Originally posted by fayraree f u my serious points were all valid, 'cept for a few minor anally retentive concessions to Mr. Hazard. lol and I need to study a fucking history book. I was the President of the fucking U of T History Student Association, bitches! (I ended up with a major by coincidence, my focus was IR).

lol. never denied that you have valid points. I just think your thoughts are silly

PS: Go read some memoires. And some books about psychology of wars.
Although i think it's kinda cheesy, Band of Brothers by Stephen Ambrose is pretty decent. On Killing by Dave Grossman is a must for military psychology.

Hal makes almost any thread worth reading.

...or read 'Johnny got his gun'

Deeply moving.

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Originally posted by Ted Promo Hal makes almost any thread worth reading.

Truly. Hazard called me out on it: I'm here for my own entertainment and in close second, your entertainment.

Yohan at 1:00 imo

*bump*

i may not always agree with the politics of war, but i do support those men/women who serve their country. Thank you to all those here in the c0r who are in the army/reserves!

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Originally posted by Frenchie I went to a ceremony here today and almost knocked a black chick out. Disrespectful piece of crap. madmadmadmad

lolz

independence day here . We had a military parade but the weather is terrible, raining all day, doesn't help my hangover too

werd... im getting ass pounded with thank yous today

lol i ment to facebook you with a thankyou


A HUGE ASSPOUNDING THANKYOU!


consider this a replacement.

thanks brent..
lol
seriously. thanks.

i got a c0r ass pounding from our Wiener..

thank you Megan...

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel i don't expect everyone to observe this holiday, however, there are a few canadians here that do and even americans and british as well. i personally take the time each year to think about my family and what sacrifices they have made for others and how i doubt i would have the courage they had to do what they felt was right, which at the time was to serve in the canadian military and fight the war against nazi germany. They fought to protect the rights of all you wankers that insist on turning something as harmless as a rememberance thread into some political bullshit drama. RIP corporal Lorne Smith- tank repairman in holland durring WWII

we had the canadian libaration march here previous sunday (33km).
in belgium it's allso a holiday to remember the end of world war 1
They allways play "the last post" in Ieper where they fought real hard

A fairly decent number of Irish people fought in WWI (when the whole island was under British rule) and to a lesser extent in WWII (when most of the island was free from British rule) on the British side. As well as that, Irish people during both the wars had associations with Germany. It's not that they supported or I suppose in many cases knew what Germany was at (re: WWII, concentration camps, etc.), but it was a case of "your enemy's enemy is your friend".

Commemorating the people who were killed in these wars is a bit contentious in Ireland because it is seen to be a British thing to do. As I understand it, the money raised from sale of poppies (sold in Britain and parts of Ireland) goes towards British veterans who served in the World Wars, but also those who served since then - including those who did tours in Ireland (post 1969) and in the course of those tours murdered civilians, resistance fighters, etc.

i can see how that would be questionable. My grandpa's family lived in belfast durring WWI but moved to canada before WWII (my other grandad not the one pictured). when WWII came around my grandpa and his brother enlisted but my they kept my grandpa back because he was a doctor and he worked as a doctor for the army and treated soldiers that returned to canada. he has some crazy stories about really questionable lobotamies that he felt were moraly wrong. Anyhow.. he often went back to visit family in ireland but to my knowledge didn't have to deal with the politics between ireland/britan.

This is a picture of my (really distant) relative killed at Bullecourt, France on 8th October 1918, aged 27

OH well hello here i am again.. bumping my remembrance day thread. This holiday is still really important to me, but this year it is tinged with a huge WTF. As you can see above, i posted a picture of my mum's dad who served in the war.. i used to be proud of him, even though i knew he was an abusive alcoholic who treated everyone horribly and eventually died from liver failure. Well, i used to hold on to the fact that he was a war vet and hopefully that would make me overlook his failures as a father and a grandfather. However.. a few days ago i found out that not only was he an abusive alcoholic, but he was also a raging child molester. One of his victims was my cousin, who he apparently molested for years, starting from when she was a baby. She remembers alot of it, and has had extensive therapy. Before he died, she asked him, "why me?" he told her "you're the weak one." (she has cerebral palsy).. so now i've removed his picture everywhere i could, (obviously not quotes) and i don't hope he rests in peace.. anyway...

i'll now focus on the other people in my family and their sacrifice, and be grateful for their service etc.

I feel I should say something regarding that, Weiner, but I'm afraid I do not have the words.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I feel I should say something regarding that, Weiner, but I'm afraid I do not have the words.

I was debating a joke myself but I got nothin'.

lol don't worry about that.. what can you say? the man was a sick fuck. at least now i can give gratitude elsewhere..

I HOPE YOU ALL DIE IN A WAR. FUCK.

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