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Well, it's authentically rumoured to have been said in ancient Indian scripture, that if you meditate in a desert while listening to authentic trance in the lotus position, you should be able to conjure up a camel which in turn will conjure up a gift of authentic tiramisu.

I've tried it... got to the camel, but it only conjured dung. Perhaps I was listening to Dubstep, being passed off as authentic trance.

Is that clearer now?

House is not invading Trance. Trance is in a comatose state right now, and personally I'm having a lot of trouble finding decent Trance tracks lately. Not that there aren't any, they're just hard to find.

Now, with House it's different. Almost every single day I find 3 or 4 huge House tunes.

Question. Is it because trance as a genre, has run out of ideas and has stagnated?

I ask this coz I've just finished playing a 3 hour set in a city I haven't played in for 4 months now, and lots of people came up to me and said my sound has changed dramatically. Looking back on tonight, I'd agree... but there's a voice in the back of my head (err, hello...) saying, I still listen to, enjoy and play house.

"House" as a genre seems to incorporate many more sub-genres (or am i being naive...?), and therefore allows more room for experimentation and evolution.

I've been on this forum long enough to know this question has been re-hashed in many forms and always leads to TAs flaming and going around in circles... which is why I think it's great that all music is clubbed in one section...

Maybe we'll actually figure it out one day... it's not about what you label a tune, it's how it drives your soul that matters.

It's about the music. And that's how it was, and should be.

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Originally posted by nikhil chinapa Well, it's authentically rumoured to have been said in ancient Indian scripture, that if you meditate in a desert while listening to authentic trance in the lotus position, you should be able to conjure up a camel which in turn will conjure up a gift of authentic tiramisu. I've tried it... got to the camel, but it only conjured dung. Perhaps I was listening to Dubstep, being passed off as authentic trance.

Ok... but isn't there a way to somehow cheat the damn camel and instead of giving it authentic trance give it authentic (insert random entity) something else? I mean a portion of authentic tiramisu would be great without having to search for authentic trance, which, thinking of how rare it is nowadays, it would possibly result in a life-time without authentic tiramisu!(This would explain why you didn't get the tiramisu as well)

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Question. Is it because trance as a genre, has run out of ideas and has stagnated?

No, its because todays trance producers strictly obey the classical economical rule minimum loss/maximum gain. Since todays people are easy to please, trance producers enjoy maximum gain (signs, dj gigs...) by putting minimum effort, and they rather seem to feel fine about it. Plus they don't seem to be the type of people who do it for the "sake of doing it" but rather for the indirect rewards of doing it...

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Originally posted by PETRAN Ok... but isn't there a way to somehow cheat the damn camel and instead of giving it authentic trance give it authentic (insert random entity) something else? I mean a portion of authentic tiramisu would be great without having to search for authentic trance, which, thinking of how rare it is nowadays, it would possibly result in a life-time without authentic tiramisu!(This would explain why you didn't get the tiramisu as well)

I tried giving the camel authentic objectivity, but turns out he's a member of TA, and a certified cynic. He did gaurantee that the dung, subsequently produced was authentic crap resulting from the forced listening to un-authentic trance not-so-cunningly disguised as authentic {random entity}.

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No, its because todays trance producers strictly obey the classical economical rule minimum loss/maximum gain.

I find it difficult to believe most producers would subscribe purely to an economic model, especially the new-breed of producer talent that's out there in the middle distance. I saw it happen to heavy metal in the late 80's too... the creativity just seemed to go out of it. People were just getting tired of manufactured pretty boy bands, and then Nirvana exploded globally with a completely different sound.

I still think that limiting yourself to whatever you may consider encapsulates / includes "trance", limits your ability to create new frontiers for the sound.

P.S. rewards are great... especially if it's authentic tiramisu

maybe because trance producers gets so little money compared to all others...

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Originally posted by choke_bloom maybe because trance producers gets so little money compared to all others...

There's a genre based pay scale now? How much do producers who make authentic Mongolian tribal music get paid then?

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Originally posted by nikhil chinapa There's a genre based pay scale now? How much do producers who make authentic Mongolian tribal music get paid then?

20 pounds of camel dung.

Personally, house music puts me in more of a 'trance state' rather than trance music itself. i dunno

House works for me too, but i'd hate ever restricting myself to any one genre.... even if it was house. Dunno why so many others do.

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Originally posted by Sykonee 20 pounds of camel dung.

Is that fresh, authentic... or both?

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Originally posted by nikhil chinapa I find it difficult to believe most producers would subscribe purely to an economic model, especially the new-breed of producer talent that's out there in the middle distance. I saw it happen to heavy metal in the late 80's too... the creativity just seemed to go out of it. People were just getting tired of manufactured pretty boy bands, and then Nirvana exploded globally with a completely different sound. I still think that limiting yourself to whatever you may consider encapsulates / includes "trance", limits your ability to create new frontiers for the sound.

Hmm, yeah i see your point but the heavy metal example is utterly wrong. Mainstream heavy-metal may have stopped to be as popular as other genres (like bloody grunge), but in the 90s there was a huuuggee underground metal explosion, you got power/epic-metal, atmospheric black metal, doom/gothic metal there was really lots of quality of music around (who would imagine bands like Theatre of Tragedy, combining slow heavy quitars, orchestras, synths, aggresive male vocals and female operatic vocals all in one?). So, yeah, who cares that bloody nirvana got famous and more MTV plays then metallica or iron maiden , metal music had as much quality as ever.



Well, electro got famous and nocked trance out of the genre of choice but unfortunately ,trance didn't evolve into someting with orchestras,more riffs,more synths and operatic female vocals lol...



And this would say something, probably that the underground spirit of the genre is totally lost. In order for todays trance to survive, it must stay mainstream. Metal is inherently underground, and most metal bands wouldn't give a shit if they were not played at MTV. They have their own target-group. But in trance, we are talking about a famous mainstream dance music which is played in Stadiums and the olympics.

If you are a producer, you can't "play" or experiment a lot with it, since tiesto and armin wouldn't play your track in their well-payed big events. Trance is somehow popular now and todays people seem to want simple things, they like the old formula. They will pay for the old formula. And djs will give them what they want. As a result, producers (especially those whom music-producing is something of a proper job) would have to conform and produce something that will sell not something they would really like. In times were EDM is striving, and people just seem to pay some attention to what is hot,and with all this electro hype right now people are afraid to experiment. IMO, a lot of today's EDM has completely become very tight to the music industry's demands and has lost its underground flavour, or the deeper substance that once had in the 90s.


Furthermore, if producers get rewarded for what they do, why experiment in the first place? If their tracks is played in all those big events and people are satisfied and praise them in trance.nu, who cares about experimentation? I mean, even if your atitude towards music is "do it for the music's sake", in the end you will conform in what is really happening. Todays EDM doesn't allow much of creativity.

People just want to easily get the tiramisu by cheating the camel an by not giving what the legend says...that is "authentic trance" !(or any "authentic" EDM that comes from their soul for that matter).

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Originally posted by PETRAN People just want to easily get the tiramisu by cheating the camel an by not giving what the legend says...that is "authentic trance" !(or any "authentic" EDM that comes from their soul for that matter).

Ok, so the heavy metal example was way off the mark... But the tiramisu cheats who can't give the camel its due are the clubbers, not the producers. Supply and Demand....

Everybody wants instant gratification, and instant hard on... Every track in a djs set has to be epic, every night out an incredible experience.

If you're gonna pop pills to get off on the music, you're going to expect to be entertained immediately, in a manner that will eventually become unimaginative, repetitive and relentless. You'll never take the time to explore different sounds or support alternative scenes.

I know I'm generalising, but IMO the reason EDM exploded - Ecstacy.. could well be the reason it implodes as well.

I'm sure many "popular" producers worship the camel, and taste their Tiramisu, underground and in pseudonyms. Its unfortunate that the clubbers just couldn't be bothered to try and find these Tiramisu worshipping mavericks, and continue to feast on the dung the camel leaves in its wake.

I think I may have carried it too far

I'm trying to say - support your local scene, and try and listen to as much music as you can; genre be damned.

well house can be popular nowdays but the biggest events are still Trance events .

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Originally posted by Arteh well house can be popular nowdays but the biggest events are still Trance events .

ANd your point is? That there is an endless supply of people who've dropped their 1st E and realised that the hi-BPM of trance works perfectly with the amphetamines and the serotonin released by MDMA causes that warm fuzzy loved-up feeling when the strinds/pads/soaring vocals come in?

Who cares anyway? Just a few people on TA who lament that the scene's stagnating.... but aren't in any form a significant enough minority to effect change....

Yet.

my point is that Trance is "uniting" music
house is more relaxing music for pubs or clubs
no rave need this slow BPMs . IMO

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Originally posted by Arteh my point is that Trance is "uniting" music house is more relaxing music for pubs or clubs no rave need this slow BPMs . IMO

Dude. Read up on house's history. Seriously. You'll look much less clueless.

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Originally posted by Arteh my point is that Trance is "uniting" music house is more relaxing music for pubs or clubs no rave need this slow BPMs . IMO

Thats what I call elitism.

Re: Why is House invading Trance?

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Originally posted by Purple WTF is the problem? I mean I go everywhere and they sell House as Trance.. WTF is wrong with you people!!!

uhhh okaaaayyy

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Originally posted by Whirloop It isn't difficult at all i can asure you But as you might have figured out it a matter of personal taste what you prefer to dance to. I myself can't (or don't prefer to) dance to stuff below 134bpm because the tempo itself bores me out. 140bpm and beyond is the only way to go! And about the dancing, if you ever went to a place were people 'dance to trance' you will notice that everyone has his or her individual style go move with the music. Simply, you don't have to move in a certain way to be 'dancing' because then you will never feel the 'trance' in you! It's the music that controls your body and not yourself. And as i wrote it's very much possible to move with higher bpms if you do it freestyle. But i understand your statement if you would try to sync 'the robot' to 160bpm or something

Wonderful post
That's what I love about trance.
sometimes people ask me how are you supposed to dance?
It's a free Dance, just do whatever you feel at the moment =)

System Trance Anthems 2: Yet another prog house cd mislabeled as "trance"

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Originally posted by nikhil chinapa But to answer your question... no deserts don't just have sand in them, they have caramels, or camels.. depending on your preference.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/desert

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dessert

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