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As always hardcore trancer twists things around. Good job buddy, you're consistently ignorant 
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| Originally posted by XaNaX I love how the out of context quote used in the title makes it seem like they are admitting to spying but then when you read the article you of course find out that it is not the case. Yeah, its common ass sense that they are going to gather intelligence on Iranian operations in the area. And the fact that the Iranians kidnapped at gunpoint and illegally detained coalition forces operating under a UN mandate shows exactly why intelligence about their operations needs to be gathered. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer oh stfu you dirty neocon,go and take your bullshit elsewhere. |
Those Iranians should have hung the ******s.
This is stupid. If some country invades my territorial waters, I think my troops are rightfully allowed to arrest them. They are not HOSTAGES, they are PRISONERS for the last time. You guys watch too much media. I guess you all neocons just wanted Iran to allow British marines to enter their waters, spy and Iranians just nod and look from the distance.
Besides, if the story was the other way around and British seizing the Iranian marines, it would have not been a big friggin deal. As always, Britain/USA would always have their ficticious evidence, making Iran force concessions, making Iran look like an aggressor and all. And probably the marines would have been prisoner for long time.
Its easy to just blame Iranians for British mistakes, eh?
Plus you guys have no appreciation or understanding whatsover for the humble and quick release of marines, as a gesture of goodwill. Surely Iran might have overdone itself and played a political card to its advantage by parading the marines on its TV, but comparing that to Iraqi prison abuse / Guantanamo bay is absolutely different. Worse conditions are treatment go on there. It would have been very stupid for Iran and highly impossible that they would think about releasing marines so soon and then torture them so that when they are released they go on western TV and make Iran look bad. I am absolutely certain that the marines were treated as prize, as gold, very carefully by the best Iranian officials because this was very important to them.
As always Megnetonium makes excuses for Iran and blames the West.
The British sailors were on a U.N. mandated mission in waters that have long been disputed be Iran. Funny thing is, Iran is the only one that believes that territory belongs to it while the rest of the world sees it as belonging to Iraq.
I've got news for ya - the brits and Americans have been traversing those waters for a while now. In this particular case Iran was under intense pressure internationally and DELIBEARATELY set out to take these Brits as HOSTAGES, not as prisoners. Go look up the difference in the dictionary.
It's not a case of how the western media portrays it, but rather an accurate description in general. Anyone who wishes to believe Iran's state-run media instead is a terrorist lover, and we seem to have a lot of those on this board. You're all welcomed to move to Iran. Don't forget to let the door hit you on your way out
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| Originally posted by CHRles As always Megnetonium makes excuses for Iran and blames the West. The British sailors were on a U.N. mandated mission in waters that have long been disputed be Iran. Funny thing is, Iran is the only one that believes that territory belongs to it while the rest of the world sees it as belonging to Iraq. I've got news for ya - the brits and Americans have been traversing those waters for a while now. In this particular case Iran was under intense pressure internationally and DELIBEARATELY set out to take these Brits as HOSTAGES, not as prisoners. Go look up the difference in the dictionary. It's not a case of how the western media portrays it, but rather an accurate description in general. Anyone who wishes to believe Iran's state-run media instead is a terrorist lover, and we seem to have a lot of those on this board. You're all welcomed to move to Iran. Don't forget to let the door hit you on your way out |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium This is stupid. If some country invades my territorial waters, I think my troops are rightfully allowed to arrest them. They are not HOSTAGES, they are PRISONERS for the last time. You guys watch too much media. I guess you all neocons just wanted Iran to allow British marines to enter their waters, spy and Iranians just nod and look from the distance. Besides, if the story was the other way around and British seizing the Iranian marines, it would have not been a big friggin deal. As always, Britain/USA would always have their ficticious evidence, making Iran force concessions, making Iran look like an aggressor and all. And probably the marines would have been prisoner for long time. Its easy to just blame Iranians for British mistakes, eh? |
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| Originally posted by XaNaX You and the other anti-west terrorist lovers (who amusingly all live in western countries btw) on this board just love to throw that term around like its something negative while at the same time you are on your knees like a cheap whore sucking down terrorist propaganda and nodding your head in agreement like some ignorant fucking robot with anything that is done by Iran or some terrorist organization even when what they are saying is obviously false to anyone with any amount of common sense. |
Magnetonium loves to distorts history and the facts at hand. I love how he always leaves out Russia as that country has a lot of blame to go around.
The U.S never supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda. What America did support were efforts in the 70s and 80s of certain countries to REBEL against the Soviet Union. Maybe you've forgotten but I certainly haven't forgotten the Cold War.
I'm also not surprised the U.S. government is currently trying to encourage the opposition parties in Iran to rise up. The current regime needs to end ASAP.
It's obvious that most of the terrorist lovers, anti western posters on this board, who all live in the West, haven't got a clue as to what democracy is about.
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| Originally posted by CHRles It's obvious that most of the terrorist lovers, anti western posters on this board, who all live in the West, haven't got a clue as to what democracy is about. |
I suspect that Iran captured these sailors in a successful attempt to drive up oil prices. Below is a oil chart.
Anyone invested in oil would have profitted from Iran's gig including Iran itself. Perhaps some political damage control to ease internal tensions?
High oil prices are the result of geopolitical tensions, not fundamentals.
That doesn't mean you can't find good oil companies based on fundamentals. I've found several.
Well, from the "horse's mouth."
* We were blindfolded and subjected to interrogation
* We were told we faced seven years in prison if we did not 'confess'
* Iranians entered Iraqi waters deliberately to detain us. Fighting back was not an option
* We were 1.7 nautical miles away from Iranian waters
* We were under psychological pressure and mind games
* Faye Turney was isolated in a cell away from the rest of the crew
In rebuttal: Iranian state TV says crew's comments were 'dictated' by British Ministry of Defence
I guess it's the old 'you be the judge.' Are you more prone to believe the soldiers while under Iranian or British control?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...d=1766&ito=1490
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono I guess it's the old 'you be the judge.' Are you more prone to believe the soldiers while under Iranian or British control? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...d=1766&ito=1490 |
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We Gathered Intelligence Updated: 22:05, Thursday April 05, 2007 The captain in charge of the 15 marines detained in Iran has said they were gathering intelligence on the Iranians. Sky News went on patrol with Captain Chris Air and his team in Iraqi waters close to the area where they were arrested - just five days before the crisis began. We withheld the interview until now so it would not jeopardise their safety. And today, former Iranian diplomat Dr Mehrdad Khonsari said if the Iranians had known about it, they would have used it to "justify taking the marines captive and put them on trial". Captain Air and his team were on an 'Interaction Patrol' where their patrol boats came alongside fishing dhows. The operation was mainly to investigate arms smuggling and terrorism but Captain Air said it was also to gain intelligence on Iranian activity. He told Sky Correspondent Jonathan Samuels: "Basically we speak to the crew, find out if they have any problems, let them know we're here to protect them, protect their fishing and stop any terrorism and piracy in the area," he said. "Secondly, it's to gather int (intelligence). If they do have any information, because they're here for days at a time, they can share it with us. "Whether it's about piracy or any sort of Iranian activity in the area. Obviously we're right by the buffer zone with Iran." |
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| Originally posted by CHRles I'm also not surprised the U.S. government is currently trying to encourage the opposition parties in Iran to rise up. The current regime needs to end ASAP. |
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| It's obvious that most of the terrorist lovers, anti western posters on this board, who all live in the West, haven't got a clue as to what democracy is about. |
Jesus, anything to fight the Americans huh?
I guess NOBODY else can do anything wrong like Iran's shit doesn't stink?
Please...
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| Iran seeks goodwill over captives Iran's ambassador to London has said Britain should respond "in a positive way" to the release of the 15 Royal Navy personnel held for 13 days. Rasoul Movahedian told the Financial Times that Tehran wanted help in releasing five Iranians held in Iraq. He said: "We played our part and we showed our good will... now it is up to the British government to proceed in a positive way," he said. The crew have two weeks' compassionate leave to spend with their families. Iran has said a press conference where the crew described being bound and held alone was "theatrical propaganda" that did not justify their "mistake". Mr Movahedian indicated that Tehran also wants Britain's help to ease international fears about its controversial nuclear programme. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Jesus, anything to fight the Americans huh? I guess NOBODY else can do anything wrong like Iran's shit doesn't stink? Please... |
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| Originally posted by venomX So it's OK for the US to play dirty because other people also play dirty? I thought you guys were all about ideology and keeping on the higher ground. Isn't that why you're supporting the inculcation of our western values to those easter barbarians? If our system can't beat them cleanly how is it better? Why bother changing what they have? Why go: hey you barbarians, look at how uncivilized you are, you have to resort to violence! And then, what do we do....? Way to set an example! |
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edit: On that note, since you're a parent, what is the best way to get a child to eat broccoli? By eating broccoli of course. How can you expect the child to understand how it is good for them if you yourself don't eat it! |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Some people are forced to play by the rules and others don't know the rules or care what they are. So at times, getting down and dirty is needed. Don't think I'm making excuses for anyone here either however, given the choice, I'd play by the rules. |
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Depends on how old the child is. Broccoli creates a lot of gas and depending on the child's digestive system may or may not be good for them. Generally, for babies, not good; especially if they're already 'windy' and have problems. I know you were trying to make some sort of analogy but I'll play along |
. My point was that people on average learn better by imitation.
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| Anger as hostages sell stories to highest bidders Amelia Hill and Jamie Doward Sunday April 8, 2007 The Observer The 15 British military hostages released by Iran were accused last night of cashing in on the ordeal by selling their stories in a string of lucrative media deals. The sailors, who spent 13 days in captivity and at times feared for their lives, have been given permission by the Ministry of Defence to give exclusive interviews. The MoD justified lifting the ban on military personnel selling their stories while in service because of the 'exceptional circumstances' involved The former captives are expected to make around �250,000 between them. Faye Turney, the 26-year-old seawoman, is likely to get the most profitable deal. She is said to have sold her story for �150,000 in a joint contract with a newspaper and ITV. The development was criticised by politicians and relatives of victims killed in the Iraq war. Liam Fox, the shadow Defence Secretary, said: 'One of the great things about our armed forces is their professionalism and dignity. Many people who shared the anxiety of the hostages' abduction will feel that selling their stories is somewhat undignified and falls below the very high standards we have come to expect from our service men and women.' Colonel Bob Stewart, a British commander of United Nations forces in Bosnia, told the Sunday Times that the MoD had turned a military disaster into a media circus. 'The released hostages are behaving like reality TV stars,' he said. 'I am appalled that the MoD is encouraging them to profit in this way.' Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon was killed by a bomb in Iraq, said: 'This is wrong and I don't think it should be allowed by the MoD. None of the parents who have lost loved ones in Iraq have sold their stories.' One of the ex-hostages reportedly wanted �70,000 for his story. There were reports that the Royal Marines were planning to sell the vases given to them in their 'goody bags' by the Iranians on eBay. The father of one of the hostages said the MoD had suggested the servicemen 'Go out there, tell the truth and make the money.' It emerged yesterday that Iranian intelligence officers told the 15 captives they first became suspicious about their activities after watching an interview with one of them on British television. Families of the hostages said their loved ones had told them the Iranians had made the claim soon after capturing them. On 13 March - 10 days before the Britons was seized - Channel 5 broadcast an interview with Captain Chris Air, one of the captured Royal Marines, in which he stated that his crew's role was to liaise with Iraqi vessels to 'let them know we are here to protect them, protect their fishing and to stop any terrorism or any piracy in the area'. � Additional reporting: Mark Townsend and Andrew Wander |
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| MoD: Captured crew can sell their stories By Emma Henry and agencies Last Updated: 10:17am BST 08/04/2007 |
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| CIA tortured me in Iraq, claims freed Iranian diplomat Allegations spark fresh speculation of secret deal Robert Tait in Tehran and Gaby Hinsliff Sunday April 8, 2007 The Observer An Iranian diplomat who was freed last week, two months after being seized in Iraq, said yesterday that he had been tortured by the CIA while in captivity at an Iraqi government installation. The claims by Jalal Sharafi on Iranian state television will lead to fresh speculation that the diplomat was freed as part of a deal to secure Wednesday's release of 15 British servicemen seized by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. The allegations also come amid continuing political fall-out over the two-week hostage crisis in both London and Tehran, with both Iran's President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Prime Minister Tony Blair being criticised for their behaviour during the stand-off. While Sharafi's claims are very similar to those made by the servicemen on their return to Britain, the recent US history of renditions, kidnapping and abuse make them difficult to ignore. Although US officials denied yesterday any role in Sharafi's abduction, his release has led inevitably to suspicion that it was part of a secret deal that has also seen US forces grant access to five other detained Iranians in Iraq. Sharafi was kidnapped in February by gunmen wearing Iraqi army uniforms. When he was released on Tuesday, Iraq's Foreign Minister, Hoshyar Zebari, said the diplomat was in good health but 'did not know who had held him'. Sharafi, however, says he was abducted by agents bearing Iraqi Defence Ministry ID cards. He said he was taken to a base near Baghdad airport, where he was questioned in Arabic and English. 'Questions asked by CIA agents were about the presence and influence of Iran in Iraq. They asked questions about the amount of aid Iran provided to the government of [Iraqi Prime Minister] al-Maliki, Shia, Sunni and Kurdish groups,' he said. 'When they were faced with my answers about the official relationship of Iran with the Iraqi government and officials, they increased the tortures. Many days they tortured me day and night,' he said. And as Britain and Iran continued to swap accusations, evidence was emerging in Tehran that both conservative and reformist Iranians were increasingly disillusioned with Ahmadinejad, arguing that the televised scenes of the Iranian President personally greeting the bemused Britons moments after announcing their release had brought ridicule on the country's Islamic system. A fundamentalist MP, Emad Afrough - chairman of the Iranian parliament's powerful cultural committee - denounced the performance as 'inappropriate': 'It is not befitting for any government that the entire cabinet bids farewell to 15 military personnel who had hitherto been recognised as invaders of Iran's territorial waters,' he told The Observer The criticism was echoed by Saeed Leylaz, a pro-reformist commentator, who said: 'The origin of this show has been the humiliation of the country of Iran. You capture people and then you send them out with suits, shirts, sweets and gifts to take back to Britain. It's embarrassing.' Ahmadinejad - who has come under pressure over Iran's worsening economy - was thought at first to have wrong-footed his critics with the theatrically staged ceremony last Wednesday. The political fall-out was not limited to Iran. In London, too, friction has emerged between Downing Street and the Foreign Office amid claims that the tougher line taken by Tony Blair may have delayed the release of woman sailor Faye Turney. Margaret Beckett, the foreign secretary, has faced accusations that she was sidelined during the drama, leaving the Prime Minister's foreign policy adviser, Nigel Sheinwald, to make the real breakthrough. However, this weekend friends insisted the Foreign Office's 'softly-softly' approach had paid off. Whitehall sources disclosed that the parading of Turney had backfired on Iran in the Arab world, costing it the support of Muslim countries who believed it was wrong for a woman to be held captive. Syria was among influential neighbours that helped pressure Iran into releasing the sailors, while the Turkish Prime Minister also interceded on Britain's behalf. |
So what if they can sell their stories? That's not news at all; happens all the time.
It's no different when Paparazzi agents sell their shots to the rags.
The soldiers aren't under some moral obligation to not sell it and if they can, good for them!
They deserve it considering the hell they went through (which I'm sure the government is compensating for; yea right... )
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r They deserve it considering the hell they went through (which I'm sure the government is compensating for; yea right... ) |
What a mess...
Our entire species is acting like feuding infants... it's completely ridiculous.
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