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I have no idea what this thread was talking about. I just wanted to get upset at someone

LOL.

WHY IS THIS GETTING BIGGER?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The fact that LionsLair is usually an idiot seems to be keeping people from acknowledging the one point he really has: that DJs influence the direction of many producers. That should be as obvious as the nose on your face. Does anyone actually think that the move from prog house and trance was entirely spontaneous on the level of individual producers?

I second this. DJs have always been the integral part in discovering and perpetuating new and not so new genres.

Mr. Jingles, I'm glad you said something. Just because LL is a douche doesn't mean he is ALWAYS wrong. He has a valid point in that respect IMO.

For fucks sake, do we really need anyone defending or praising LionsLair for playing Captain Obvious?



He isn't usually a complete idiot, he is a complete idiot. End of story.

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Originally posted by RJT For fucks sake, do we really need anyone defending or praising LionsLair for playing Captain Obvious? He isn't usually a complete idiot, he is a complete idiot. End of story.

I'm not praising him at all. I'm just saying, arguing against something that he's playing "Captain Obvious" about is a bad choice. It's obvious for a reason. Don't argue against it.

Let's all praise his knowledge of EDM theory now.

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Originally posted by julien2 Let's all praise his knowledge of EDM theory now.

wow this thread went from shitfest to mega-shitfest..

The problem with EDM theory is that PS3 sucks.

Yes, but what he's actually saying and what you're simplifying his posts down to are two entirely different things.

Just because someone has backpedaled to a point where they're playing the "I'm right because I can cite one aspect of how music/art/etc. trends change" doesn't mean that's all they're saying.

Stating "that DJs influence the direction of many producers." is a gross oversimplification of the drivel he's spouted in here, and at the end of the day, is something not even worth discussing it's so painfully obvious.

There's just no reason to feed a cunt like this any more ammunition than he already has.

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Originally posted by LionsLair How about all the producer's who make music for the clubs?

LIST ONE PRODUCER WHO FOLLOWS THE ROUTINE YOU HAVE EXPLAINED


You can't because you don't know any besides yourself.

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Originally posted by RJT Stating "that DJs influence the direction of many producers." is a gross oversimplification of the drivel he's spouted in here, and at the end of the day, is something not even worth discussing it's so painfully obvious.

I guess I was more interested in pointing out that the points being argued had strayed from the original topic and it had dwindled down to arguing because he's retarded, not because he's currently arguing a retarded point. Or something.

But meh, point made.

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There's just no reason to feed a cunt like this any more ammunition than he already has.

Well, I don't know that I'd say he has ammunition. More like Snap-N-Pops.

spirit5?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles That should be as obvious as the nose on your face. Does anyone actually think that the move from prog house and trance was entirely spontaneous on the level of individual producers?

People were making great tech-house, minimal, and techno long before Sasha and Digweed started playing it. In fact many of the artists they are playing now have been making that since they started, so I don't see how you can say that S&D have influenced this big move away from prog and towards techno and minimal tech. If anything they've jumped on the wagon a bit late. Which is fine by me, but I really dunno how you can say that DJs like them really influence the direction music is going.


Beyond that, what LionsLair is claiming, that ALL producers who produce music for clubs driving motivation is to have their tracks played by the likes of Sasha & Digweed, is complete, and utter, bullshit. Theres nothing to argue about, you talk to any prominent producer right now making music in the vein of what they are playing and that is just not the case. Here's Digweed's latest top 10

1 GUY J Under presure / Error Error

[Bedrock Records]

2 RADIO SLAVE Feat. DANTON EEPROM Grindhouse (Dubfire's Terror Planet Mix)

[Rekids]

3 D'JULZ Just so you know

[Ovum]

4 S-GROOVE Feel your soul (Randall Jones Remix)

[Forensic]

5 PSYCHONAUTS World keeps (Mogg & Naudascher Remix)

[Souvenir Music]

6 SIMON BAKER Xy & z (Ivan Smagghe - Tolfrey and Ashken Remix)

[Leftroom]

7 DJINXX Incarnation

[Bedrock Records]

8 GUY GERBER Disorientation (Orignal & Johnny D Remix)

[Supplement Facts]

9 JOHN DIGWEED Gridlock (Henry Saiz Remixes)

[Renaissance]

10 ALTER EGO Gary (Carl Craig Remix)

[Klang]

I can't think of any artist there fitting this producer paradigm that LionsLair has explained in great detail, with the exception of MAYBE Guy J. Really, Carl Craig makes music because he wants Sasha & Digweed to play it?

I wouldnt call what im saying the obvious, its a slow moving process that is far from obvious. Its only obvious to those who have been listening for a while or have seen a few sounds come and go, and have followed certain DJ's and Producer's individual sounds. Many people, if not most people here probably think it truly is the producer that decides the direction of a DJ's sound because they make the music.

They think producers gave up Prog House and starting making Tech House because they got bored of Prog House and decided it was time to change. In reality, a decent amount of tech house and minimal techno was being made when Prog House and Breaks were at the forefront. Until DJ's like Sasha & Digweed started giving Tech House and Techno attention, causing the Prog House/Breaks producers to dissolve back into the background or evolve forward and take up the new sounds.

Glad to see a few see the same light though.

This is like being on Bill O'Reilly

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Originally posted by LionsLair I wouldnt call what im saying the obvious, its a slow moving process that is far from obvious. Its only obvious to those who have been listening for a while or have seen a few sounds come and go, and have followed certain DJ's and Producer's individual sounds. Many people, if not most people here probably think it truly is the producer that decides the direction of a DJ's sound because they make the music. They think producers gave up Prog House and starting making Tech House because they got bored of Prog House and decided it was time to change. In reality, a decent amount of tech house and minimal techno was being made when Prog House and Breaks were at the forefront. Until DJ's like Sasha & Digweed started giving Tech House and Techno attention, causing the Prog House/Breaks producers to dissolve back into the background or evolve forward and take up the new sounds. Glad to see a few see the same light though.

If you know that all producers do this, why is it that you cannot list one?

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Originally posted by Clovis People were making great tech-house, minimal, and techno long before Sasha and Digweed started playing it. In fact many of the artists they are playing now have been making that since they started, so I don't see how you can say that S&D have influenced this big move away from prog and towards techno and minimal tech. If anything they've jumped on the wagon a bit late. Which is fine by me, but I really dunno how you can say that DJs like them really influence the direction music is going. Beyond that, what LionsLair is claiming, that ALL producers who produce music for clubs driving motivation is to have their tracks played by the likes of Sasha & Digweed, is complete, and utter, bullshit. Theres nothing to argue about, you talk to any prominent producer right now making music in the vein of what they are playing and that is just not the case. Here's Digweed's latest top 10 1 GUY J Under presure / Error Error [Bedrock Records] 2 RADIO SLAVE Feat. DANTON EEPROM Grindhouse (Dubfire's Terror Planet Mix) [Rekids] 3 D'JULZ Just so you know [Ovum] 4 S-GROOVE Feel your soul (Randall Jones Remix) [Forensic] 5 PSYCHONAUTS World keeps (Mogg & Naudascher Remix) [Souvenir Music] 6 SIMON BAKER Xy & z (Ivan Smagghe - Tolfrey and Ashken Remix) [Leftroom] 7 DJINXX Incarnation [Bedrock Records] 8 GUY GERBER Disorientation (Orignal & Johnny D Remix) [Supplement Facts] 9 JOHN DIGWEED Gridlock (Henry Saiz Remixes) [Renaissance] 10 ALTER EGO Gary (Carl Craig Remix) [Klang] I can't think of any artist there fitting this producer paradigm that LionsLair has explained in great detail, with the exception of MAYBE Guy J. Really, Carl Craig makes music because he wants Sasha & Digweed to play it?

Before I read this. I already covered what your saying to an extent in my last post.

Of course tech house and techno was being made in the background while Prog House and Breaks were the rage. But not to the extent it is now, and DJ's werent playing Tech House and Techno to the extent they do now. Now every joe schmoe is playing Tech House and Techno, even bedroom DJ's who were once playing Prog House. Those guys who had been making Techno all this time didnt push any producer or DJ to start taking up Techno, its the likes of Sasha and Digweed and other big DJ's that pushed the sound, and in turn created NEW Techno producers and DJ's.

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Originally posted by LionsLair Before I read this. I already covered what your saying to an extent in my last post. Of course tech house and techno was being made in the background while Prog House and Breaks were the rage. But not to the extent it is now, and DJ's werent playing Tech House and Techno to the extent they do now.

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Now every joe schmoe is playing Tech House and Techno, even bedroom DJ's who were once playing Prog House.

Now every joe shmoe is playing deadmau5 and electro house and Mark Knight remakes of Laurent Garnier. As evidenced by charts everywhere.

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Those guys who had been making Techno all this time didnt push any producer or DJ to start taking up Techno, its the likes of Sasha and Digweed and other big DJ's that pushed the sound,

Other big DJs were pushing techno, tech house and minimal before they were.

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and in turn created NEW Techno producers and DJ's.

List em.


It is interesting to watch you change your argument from "All club producers make tracks with Sasha & Digweed in mind because they influence what they make" to "Sasha & Digweed did influence some producers and some DJs to play more techno and they are why techno is now big and popular."

Next we'll be at "Sasha & Digweed are really important somehow"

Never in my life have I seen someone scramble so relentlessly to cover his idiocy in multiple threads on one forum.

For someone who's constantly playing the "OMG, look at you - you're such a loser for posting a bunch on an internet forum!" card as often as LionsLair has, he certainly seems to care an awful lot about trying to prove himself "right" to the very forum members he's talking shit about.

Lol, irony.

What's the big deal with this thread?

I always have a shitty attitude on my coke downer.

Relax.... He's human too.


Thread Closed.

I did already, every single producer that makes upfront club music craft their sound around Sasha & Digweed and other prominent DJ's. Any producer who makes Techno right now, crafts his music towards his favorite DJ or Venues of the moment. People dont just sit in their studios making techno because it gives them a boner, they make it because they aim to have the DJ's they make it for buy and play their tunes, and to hear their local DJ's play their tracks out. Even those local DJ's likely inspired local scene artists to create tracks to be played out by them. And if those producers follow the bigger scene, its the likes of Sashweed and other prominent DJ's that push producer's to take up the sounds that they spin.

Given that all these sounds exist persistently whether they are in the background for the forefront. Where do you think the movements in sound come from? Who dictates what DJ's like Digweed play?

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Originally posted by RJT Never in my life have I seen someone scramble so relentlessly to cover his idiocy in multiple threads on one forum. For someone who's constantly playing the "OMG, look at you - you're such a loser for posting a bunch on an internet forum!" card as often as LionsLair has, he certainly seems to care an awful lot about trying to prove himself "right" to the very forum members he's talking shit about. Lol, irony.

The ring leader of TA loser tribe speaks.

Do you ever have anything worthwile to add to a thread?

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