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Originally posted by Trancer-X But it's not really even a debate if the other party just uses lies to counter your argument. It's deception and they're apparently extremely proficient in using it to keep the rest of society in the dark.

Anyone who disagrees with you, you call a liar. No shit, how can you debate with someone whose only response to call you a liar? LOL, you're fucking joke!!

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Originally posted by Krypton I've debated plenty of times. About the Fed, and here about 9/11. Your only response is to call me a troll or sheeple or some other POS term. You tell me. You're the one espousing the towers violated some physical law. I'm the one telling you the towers collapsed because of planes crashing into them.

Hey professional liar, you haven't debated sh*t. You've just applied all of your talking points to whatever deviates from the status quo and that definitely makes you a troll.

Now whether or not you're being actually paid or are just another useful idiot is beyond me but either way, you sure are doing one heck of a good job at it.

The official "pancake" theory is what I was talking about and I'm sure you knew that but just wanted to continue being a wily little snake.

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Originally posted by Krypton Anyone who disagrees with you, you call a liar. No shit, how can you debate with someone whose only response to call you a liar? LOL, you're fucking joke!!

No, I call disingenuous little pricks like yourself liars. It has nothing to do with whether you disagree with me or not.

If you DID somehow happen to agree with me and I caught you lying I'd still call you out on it.

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Originally posted by Krypton Anyone who disagrees with you, you call a liar. No shit, how can you debate with someone whose only response to call you a liar? LOL, you're fucking joke!!

You know, I'm inclined to disagree. Your behaviour is easily perceived, and Trancer and I both realise this. It is quite evident that there is a roadblock during our debates that is either put there via authoritative contract (a.k.a. you're a mole) or you're an antagonist with no true interest in the subject.

Honest debate should include genuine attempts to EXPLORE a subject, not try to further cover it up by using hackneyed slogans, thought-terminating clich�'s, and government propaganda.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} You know, I'm inclined to disagree. Your behaviour is easily perceived, and Trancer and I both realise this. It is quite evident that there is a roadblock during our debates that is either put there via authoritative contract (a.k.a. you're a mole) or you're an antagonist with no true interest in the subject.

And having been clued in on this quite some time ago by a few others, neither you or I were the first to realize it so it's not like we just made this up. lol

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Hey professional liar, you haven't debated sh*t. You've just applied all of your talking points to whatever deviates from the status quo and that definitely makes you a troll. Now whether or not you're being actually paid or are just another useful idiot is beyond me but either way, you sure are doing one heck of a good job at it. The official "pancake" theory is what I was talking about and I'm sure you knew that but just wanted to continue being a wily little snake.

In the world of paranoid conspiracy theories, everyone but you is a liar. Your tin foil hat doesn't serve you well..

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Originally posted by Trancer-X No, I call disingenuous little pricks like yourself liars. It has nothing to do with whether you disagree with me or not. If you DID somehow happen to agree with me and I caught you lying I'd still call you out on it.

No, you can't tolerate criticism, so you call all of your critics liars. Bravo champ..

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} You know, I'm inclined to disagree. Your behaviour is easily perceived, and Trancer and I both realise this. It is quite evident that there is a roadblock during our debates that is either put there via authoritative contract (a.k.a. you're a mole) or you're an antagonist with no true interest in the subject.

Or I simply disagree with you. Did you ever consider that? Yea, I'm a fucking mole from the CIA. I'm sitting here from Langley, VA, on a dance music website trying to deceive you...ooooooo......you guys really are some paranoid fucks!

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Honest debate should include genuine attempts to EXPLORE a subject, not try to further cover it up by using hackneyed slogans, thought-terminating clich�'s, and government propaganda.

As I have, but I come to different conclusions from you. DEAL WITH IT!

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Originally posted by Trancer-X And having been clued in on this quite some time ago by a few others, neither you or I were the first to realize it so it's not like we just made this up. lol

Yea, I'm a CIA mole...

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Originally posted by Krypton No, you can't tolerate criticism, so you call all of your critics liars. Bravo champ..

How absolutely freaking selfish can a person be that they need to continue arguing out of sheer egotism and ignorance in order to prevent someone from helping to save what still remains of our free society?

I'm sorry but I think you take the cake for that one, champ

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Originally posted by Trancer-X How absolutely freaking selfish can a person be that they need to continue arguing out of sheer egotism and ignorance in order to prevent someone from helping to save what still remains of our free society? I'm sorry but I think you take the cake for that one, champ

I dunno, when you stop calling your critics trolls, I might have a second thought. In fact, I think you two are moles. Who do you work for! Are you fucking Russians? FSB? MI6?

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Originally posted by Krypton Or I simply disagree with you. Did you ever consider that? Yea, I'm a fucking mole from the CIA. I'm sitting here from Langley, VA, on a dance music website trying to deceive you...ooooooo......you guys really are some paranoid fucks!

I presented two choices, in no place did I say you were exclusively an agent. I'll stand by the alternative.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I presented two choices, in no place did I say you were exclusively an agent. I'll stand by the alternative.

lol, dude, I'm amazed that was even a choice. Government mole? Come on man...

You guys need to understand that there will always be someone who will disagree with you. I disagree with you because I don't believe your case stands up to my standard of truth. Once your case can go before a criminal court, with direct evidence, and prime suspects, I might believe you. Until then, all you've got is speculation, conjecture, and hunches, and you guys just expect me to connect all the dots and accept your version of truth or I'm some government mole, or a troll, or whatever...

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Originally posted by Krypton Yea, I'm a CIA mole...

I doubt that you're in the CIA but I wouldn't be all that surprised if you were being outsourced. I was actually going to fathom a guess at something more akin to a private firm like Booz Allen Hamilton since much of today's propagandizing, informational warfare, and psy-ops seem to be getting ever increasingly outsourced to independent contractors/green badgers.

Either way, I'm actually kind of interested in getting an ACLU lawyer's opinion on the Constitutionality of our government's interfering with and/or swaying the perceptions of it's people through mediums such as online messageboards. It's long been known that we engage in psy-ops and info warfare on the battlefront but never before has it been so blatantly directed at it's own citizens and I think it's actually pretty scary that "we the people" (who still give a shit) have devolved into becoming enemies of our own government.

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Originally posted by Krypton I disagree with you because I don't believe your case stands up to my standard of truth.

And interestingly enough, your standard of truth seems to be based more upon ignoring the very facts that the government wants us to ignore while embracing the same hogwash story that the storytellers themselves said isn't even truthful or accurate.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I doubt that you're in the CIA but I wouldn't be all that surprised if you were being outsourced. I was actually going to fathom a guess at something more akin to a private firm like Booz Allen Hamilton since much of today's propagandizing, informational warfare, and psy-ops seem to be getting ever increasingly outsourced to independent contractors/green badgers. Either way, I'm actually kind of interested in getting an ACLU lawyer's opinion on the Constitutionality of our government's interfering with and/or swaying the perceptions of it's people through mediums such as online messageboards. It's long been known that we engage in psy-ops and info warfare on the battlefront but never before has it been so blatantly directed at it's own citizens and I think it's actually pretty scary that "we the people" (who still give a shit) have devolved into becoming enemies of our own government.

I work for Dick Cheney. He tells me to go on dance music websites to spread lies. LIES!

I don't get what 'Pandora's Black Box' doesn't clarify for you. The Official Story is in complete disagreement with the black box's data (read: the truth). Not only is the flight path wrong, the altitude is totally off, the plane would have continued on over the Pentagon, after having successfully guided the missile into the reinforced wall of the Pentagon.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X And interestingly enough, your standard of truth seems to be based more upon ignoring the very facts that the government wants us to ignore while embracing the same hogwash story that the storytellers themselves said isn't even truthful or accurate.

My standard of truth is, give me direct evidence, and tell me, who exactly is responsible. You have failed at both directives. Might I also add that my standard of truth is that which is used in a court of law. Direct evidence, prime suspects. You have neither. Example. You say the towers were rigged to explode. Ok. Give me direct evidence. Has anyone found bomb fragments? No. Does anyone know who would have set these bombs? No. Does anyone know who ordered this treachery? No. Has anyone found missile fragments from the Pentagon? No. Does anyone know who would have fired the missile? No. Does anyone know who would have ordered the missile fired? No. Who is in command of this secret government faction guilty of treason? You don't know.

Oh, but I'm just a troll for bringing these things up..I'm sorry..

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Originally posted by Krypton I work for Dick Cheney. He tells me to go on dance music websites to spread lies. LIES!

Good straw man.

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Originally posted by Krypton My standard of truth is, give me direct evidence, and tell me, who exactly is responsible. You have failed at both directives. Might I also add that my standard of truth is that which is used in a court of law. Direct evidence, prime suspects. You have neither. Example. You say the towers were rigged to explode. Ok. Give me direct evidence. Has anyone found bomb fragments? No. Does anyone know who would have set these bombs? No. Does anyone know who ordered this treachery? No. Has anyone found missile fragments from the Pentagon? No. Does anyone know who would have fired the missile? No. Does anyone know who would have ordered the missile fired? No. Who is in command of this secret government faction guilty of treason? You don't know. Oh, but I'm just a troll for bringing these things up..I'm sorry..

Neither does our government, you goof!! UBL isn't even wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks because they state that EVEN THEY don't have enough evidence to indict him for it.

But you still believe that he did it.

And when we bring it up in the attempt to raise an awareness of the issue in the hopes of bringing about a TRUE investigation, YOU ATTACK US FOR IT!!

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Neither does our government, you goof!! UBL isn't even wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks because they state that EVEN THEY don't have enough evidence to indict him for it. But you still believe that he did it. And when we bring it up in the attempt to raise an awareness of the issue in the hopes of bringing about a TRUE investigation, YOU ATTACK US FOR IT!!

Debating against your points is not attacking you. I'm not in this thread to attack you. Otherwise, me and BSE would have been in a flame war, but we didn't did we?

As for OBL's guilt or innocence...I believe he's guilty. Here's why...

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OBL had foreknowledge of the attacks: CLICK OBL says he ordered the attacks: CLICK ... "Each state that does not mess with our security, has naturally guaranteed its own security." ... "To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster," he said. "I tell you: security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security." ... "We fought you because we are free .... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours," he said. OBL claims to have personally led the 9/11 hijackers: CLICK OBL claims to have instructed Mohammed Atta: CLICK ... "It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration notice." OBL was videotaped with TWO of the 9/11 hijackers: CLICK

I believe this Jihidi operation was done to stoke a reaction from America. And react we did. Al-Qaeda's goal is not to be some cohesive militant group, because it's not. It's an idea. The idea of Islamic Revolution, much like Communist Revolution, but based in Shariah law not marxist-leninist ideology. The reaction of America by invading Afghanistan and Iraq has done much to fulfill Al-Qaeda's purpose. Islamic Revolution. September 11th is not about destroying America or stifling our supposed freedoms, but it was entirely about bringing about Islamic revolution throughout the Middle East. That's my view. I'll respect yours if you respect mine.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X How absolutely freaking selfish can a person be that they need to continue arguing out of sheer egotism and ignorance

is this question meant to be ironic?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X in order to prevent someone from helping to save what still remains of our free society?

they don't mind giving themselves airs and graces huh? yeah, history will record trancer-x's valiant fight for freedom via the tranceaddict message board

what a dickhead.

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Originally posted by Krypton I dunno, when you stop calling your critics trolls, I might have a second thought. In fact, I think you two are moles. Who do you work for! Are you fucking Russians? FSB? MI6?

I don't call my critics trolls. I call those who troll trolls but apparently you don't want to recognize that I make that distinction.

That's funny, especially given that my family came to this country two centuries before your state was even admitted into our Union. I have MANY ancestors and relatives who have fought bravely through every war up to and including Vietnam (which wasn't really even a war.)

And hey, I'm not the one who seems to be either wittingly or unwittingly serving the interests of the same international elite who's working towards destroying our national sovereignty. That would be you

I did have a grandfather who received RAF wings when he first fought the Japanese over China, though, but I think that was because he was there before we (the USA) were officially in the war. He was in the OSS and then later the CIA, though, but not the MI6 (at least not that I know of.)

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