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Harper announced more money for Ontario manufacturers as part of his platform today.
If I wanted my tax dollars to subsidize the auto industry, I'd vote liberal FFS. I wish politicians made a point of taking drastically opposite stands, so at least I can park my vote somewhere and know what I'm getting. This conservative pitch to win over manufacturing votes is just going to piss off people like me who liked him because he WASNT going to subsidize industry.

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Originally posted by Skipper Harper announced more money for Ontario manufacturers as part of his platform today. If I wanted my tax dollars to subsidize the auto industry, I'd vote liberal FFS. I wish politicians made a point of taking drastically opposite stands, so at least I can park my vote somewhere and know what I'm getting. This conservative pitch to win over manufacturing votes is just going to piss off people like me who liked him because he WASNT going to subsidize industry.

this happens when politicians try to please everyone.

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Originally posted by malek Some products or services that can't be produced in a clean(er) manner, will become more and more expensive which will erase the advantage of the (meager) tax breaks for many and especially those who use those products or services.

And that is the problem right there. You cannot just magically make every process more efficient by throwing money at it .

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Originally posted by Skipper Harper announced more money for Ontario manufacturers as part of his platform today. If I wanted my tax dollars to subsidize the auto industry, I'd vote liberal FFS. I wish politicians made a point of taking drastically opposite stands, so at least I can park my vote somewhere and know what I'm getting. This conservative pitch to win over manufacturing votes is just going to piss off people like me who liked him because he WASNT going to subsidize industry.

Agreed. How much longer are we going to prop up manufacturers (domestic auto) that just don't change their habits and respond to market forces? Ford, GM, Chrysler are all suffering because of a poor product line and a lack of foresight, but not because of a lack of handouts or higher taxes.

In the 90's they saw a huge boom in SUV sales and thought it was never ending money pit. Sure the Japanese started making larger cars to meet demand, but they kept their smaller more efficient cars as well. 'Not everybody wants to spend like drunken sailor on gas'. Yes, they also just have a better product half the time, but they made sure to keep their asses covered. Now they have stolen truck sales and kept compact sales.

If anything, I would appreciate some money to help older workers learn new skills, trades or anything for that matter. We just cannot try and hold on to jobs that the market does not want here. Help train them for jobs that Canada can do. But I guess the problem there is that older workers do not want to go back to school, they want to stay put in their current jobs. Sorry folks, new world, new career markets. Economies change, and so must your job title.

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Originally posted by MarkT I posted that in response to Aaron, not Malek...but I too did not see a "what happens next" on the carbon tax plan.

Seriously now, asking me to read a 60+ page document on taxing carbon dioxide exhaust is like me asking you to read a 60+ page document on criminalizing abortion.

Why in the world would I want to spend over an hour of my life reading about the gory details of a policy based on a fundamental premise which I know to be seriously flawed, or at best highly suspect? When the so-called "big picture" is a total crock, the nuts and bolts don't really matter much. I'd sooner read schematics for a perpetual-motion machine.

So I live in St. Paul district. Some idiots are vandalizing homes and cars of people with Liberal signs. How fucked up is that?

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess So I live in St. Paul district. Some idiots are vandalizing homes and cars of people with Liberal signs. How fucked up is that?

very common, the same idiots who draw nazi crosses on Bloc signs

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Originally posted by Orko And that is the problem right there. You cannot just magically make every process more efficient by throwing money at it .

And thats why I really really want someone to answer my question, any Liberal in here???

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess So I live in St. Paul district. Some idiots are vandalizing homes and cars of people with Liberal signs. How fucked up is that?

Yeah, it's messed up. I think I heard this morning it's happening in Vancouver now too, but I could be confusing that with something else.

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Originally posted by malek very common, the same idiots who draw nazi crosses on Bloc signs

were any break lines cut?

that's attempted murder!

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Originally posted by malek And thats why I really really want someone to answer my question, any Liberal in here???

Dude no liberal can, because the party them selves have not set a plan on how to roll back the taxes, it just is not possible.

It is a permanente, never decreasing tax.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess were any break lines cut? that's attempted murder!

sorry huh???

Some folks here in Toronto had their brake lines cut, along with graffiti.

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Originally posted by Orko Some folks here in Toronto had their brake lines cut, along with graffiti.

on their cars?!?! wtf, this is crazy.

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Originally posted by Orko Some folks here in Toronto had their brake lines cut, along with graffiti.

It happened in Guelph during the run up to the bi-election recently as well. Again, it was people with Liberal lawn signs.

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Originally posted by malek Current Prediction Pr�vision Courante: Changed/Les pr�visions ont chang�s: 3:33 PM 30/09/2008 Conservatives Conservateurs 117 Liberal Party Party lib�ral 73 N.D.P. N.P.D. 23 Bloc Qu�b�cois 37 X Other Autres 2 Too Close 56 Total 308

Current Prediction
Pr�vision Courante:
Changed/Les pr�visions ont chang�s: 2:48 PM 08/10/2008

Conservatives
Conservateurs 119

Liberal Party
Party lib�ral 75

N.D.P.
N.P.D. 29

Bloc Qu�b�cois 41

X Other
Autres 2

Too Close 42

Total 308

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Originally posted by malek Current Prediction Pr�vision Courante: Changed/Les pr�visions ont chang�s: 2:48 PM 08/10/2008 Conservatives Conservateurs 119 Liberal Party Party lib�ral 75 N.D.P. N.P.D. 29 Bloc Qu�b�cois 41 X Other Autres 2 Too Close 42 Total 308

So, we're still looking at essentially the same House.

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Originally posted by malek sorry huh???

the vandals cut peoples brake lines.

isn't that attempted murder?

did that happen in montreal too?

what's so confusing about what i wrote? (lol, other than the spelling mistake)

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess the vandals cut peoples brake lines. isn't that attempted murder? did that happen in montreal too? what's so confusing about what i wrote? (lol, other than the spelling mistake)

no that didn't happen here. confusing because I didn't make the link between a brake lines and a car

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Originally posted by smuncky

now who wouldn't want to vote for him now??