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| Originally posted by RJT Looks like my days as top dog around here weren't over.  (And oh snap - hipster-jaded-elitist-minimal-hipster TA inside joke!) This thread was definitely worth reading.  And I do think it's funny the folks who get singled out - because 9 times out of 10 they're also some of the most helpful members of this site (fuck, I even regularly recommend the trance I enjoy - just because I don't like the new stuff doesn't mean I hate the old), and also some of the people here most passionate about music. |
This thread has everything. It will make you laugh, it will make you cry, it will make you think, it will make you wonder...
Isn't what good art is about? I say that this is a piece of...art!
Yeah, the "mexican soap opera" type of art
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| Originally posted by SMC I'm not taking your word for it. |
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| Originally posted by Clovis It's not my fault everyone around here still thinks we're in 2005. Minimal techno got huge a few years ago, got really fucking boring, and is now mostly dead, save for a few guys on beatport who were late jumping on the wagon and are still putting out crap plink plonk records. |
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| Originally posted by Nostalgic It was a joke. |
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| Originally posted by Clovis Nobody ever wins an argument on tranceaddict.com dude. Ever. |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Last word. |
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| Originally posted by Trance-MB What is "huge", please explain. I didn't notice it. And what should Dutch hardcore and gabber be called then? They still exist more than 10 years after they were HUGE..... |
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| Originally posted by Trance-MB What is "huge", please explain. I didn't notice it. And what should Dutch hardcore and gabber be called then? They still exist more than 10 years after they were HUGE..... |
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| Originally posted by Trance-MB What is "huge", please explain. I didn't notice it. And what should Dutch hardcore and gabber be called then? They still exist more than 10 years after they were HUGE..... |
Minimal was big. Next big thing is deep house, so c'mon...lets jump on this bandwagon 
it is only jumping on the bandwagon if you are playing stuff that does not make you happy.
The elitists who post negative things about others *solely* based on their musical preference(s) alone are idiots. Now, just as real-life society has idiots... (surprise) message boards have idiots as well! To say there is bad modding or 'trolling is allowed' is missing the point - it's (usually) best to let the community go off on someone who is acting out of line and let them slowly get ostracized/give up/go elsewhere. If you just ban them they'll re-register, and with the ease of proxies it's harder to keep certain people out.
As well, when you're quick-to-ban everything 'objectionable' then all you do is create an environment full of monotony. This was the reason why TA never had many official 'rules' posted since once you go down that road you have to continually add new rules so that ppl can't just say "well, the rules didn't say I couldn't do it, so I did it." However, now you leave yourself vulnerable to the elitists who feel it's their duty to be the loudest/most condescending towards those they feel are 'trolls' ALL THE TIME. So, now instead of risking monotony from having too many rules you instead create monotony with the elitists bitching/being negative ANY CHANCE they get. You create this air of hostility that is hard to overcome!
This whole thing about the place being called 'trance'addict -- well, from Day 1 I've always maintained that the forums were to be about discussion of ANY electronic music. Do I still love trance? Yes. Do I still love House? Yes. Do I still love Techno? Yes. Fact is, one of the reasons EDM/'raves' became popular was because of the openness to a 'different' kind of music and ppl coming together to appreciate ALL GENRES of EDM. Now, some of these same ppl bash upon others simply because they prefer an EDM sub-genre different than theirs. What a waste of time!
Listen to what you most enjoy and who cares what the masses deem to be the best -- you're not robots and fitting in 'virtually' is best left for Facebook/MySpace. (Same with unicorns, even though they're funny)
This thread has been done several times every year since 2003, repeating the same arguments all over and over again, and reaching the same conclusions all over again. Just replace minimal by progressive, Armin by Tiesto, Deadmau5 by Markus Schulz.
I think everyone just needs to shut the fuck up.
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| Originally posted by Swamper Same with unicorns, even though they're funny |
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| Originally posted by mphreak Minimal was big. Next big thing is deep house, so c'mon...lets jump on this bandwagon |
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| Originally posted by Noisician there's absolutely nothing funny about a unicorn. there's a good chance one of them gon' fuck you up BAD one day. |
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| Originally posted by Noisician there's absolutely nothing funny about a unicorn. there's a good chance one of them gon' fuck you up BAD one day. |
giddy up!
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| Originally posted by Noisician giddy up! |
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| Originally posted by PETRAN Deep House has been around forever and it will never be big because of its' very anti-big-room nature. Deep House is music for lounges and small bars, is about moving slowly to the sexy jazzy house sounds while enjoying a martini. Not about getting the glow-sticks up in the air while screaming "Armin i love you xxx" |
The nil Value of Negative Critique
Okay.
There is some music that is never going to be any good.
Even the people who make it aren't that thrilled about the outcome.
Robert Smith doing Frank Sinatra covers will never be marketable.
My point is that someone bashing one form of music is doing so in order to promote what they think it should be, and therefore, what it is not. Someone who extols its virtues appreciates it for what it is. The person who is bashing a style and/or genre has no capacity to appreciate what they're bashing because they either will not or cannot conceive of anything that ought to exist outside their own particular tastes.
I dislike the Jonas Brothers. From what I've heard, their music is sonic pulp-fiction; a throw-back to Bubble Gum Pop with a dash of nutmeg and cinnamon to give it a little psuedo-hipster zazz. Of course, I have no way of appreciating their music, either. I'm not a teen-aged girl looking for edgy yet non-threatening males to identify with the neurotic longing and inner-turmoil associated with emerging into the world with a negligible degree of actual autonomy. If I liked the Jonas Brothers, I might also be eager for the emancipation from my over-protective parents while I clung to the innocence of child-hood teddy-bear collections. I would be hoping to catch that glimpse of true beauty and chivalry from any number of pubescent suitors, most of whom are just trying to relieve their imperious itch with all the finesse of a male chihuahua trying to seed female doberman pincer.
If I, however, start writing, profusely, about how I dislike the Jonas Brothers because their music has a wince-inducing, saccharine quality, what I'm really saying, in addition to a very cloaked admission that I am an immature male who lacks the capacity to relate with women his own age, is that I would rather like the Jonas Brothers if they wrote music which appealed to my tastes and preferences. Ergo, I am lashing out against them in order to promote what I want. I would have to believe, no matter how much I denied it, that there was some intrinsic value to their music which could be refined to suit my tastes. Regardless, I am lashing out at the Jonas Brothers because they are something which never will be.
Minimalism is not trying to be anything other than what it is. Euphoric Trance isn't ever going to want to "tone it down" a notch. To bash one form over another is fool-hardy. Only if you can appreciate something for what it is trying to be, can you offer some sort of qualified criticism, good or bad, based upon what it actually is. If you can't appreciate it, then don't listen to it. You certainly shouldn't expect someone who thinks it's free-based excellence to see your point of view. In the end, our choices in music are more about satisfying psychological wants and needs than about what is actually, musically better.
If it were about choosing what is musically better, then everyone would like Charles Mingus. 
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| Originally posted by PETRAN Man thats one baaddd unicorn. I bet that Emperor's flying black rider will slay it easily though! |
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| Originally posted by Chimney That's the techno unicorn? |
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| Originally posted by Chimney |
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