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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL Did you just.... really? Because I don't find this similar at all. Crying for attention (not using this in a bad way as he ended up needing help) is not the same as pulling the trigger. It was out of context with Jay and that is why it was hard to take him serious. I don't find "attempting suicide" and actual suicide on the same playing field.

It was out of context with Jay, which is why many of us decided to take it seriously.

Also, how is attempting suicide not "on the same playing field"? In both scenarios, the individual goes in with the intent of ending their life. The only difference is the outcome; one person succeeds by making the trigger go click (and really, they're only attempting to kill themselves until the bullet hits the right part of the body), the other person fails by taking the wrong dose or not tying the noose tight enough. At the end of the day, each individual chose to end their life and acted accordingly.

That's actually not true. People who really want to end it just do it. They generally don't offer much explanation or give any hints about it. That doesn't mean that all suicide threats shouldn't be taken seriously...but there IS a difference between one who really needs to end it, and one who just needs attention.

agreed with idoru. Mel its the same thing.

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Originally posted by jennypie That's actually not true. People who really want to end it just do it. They generally don't offer much explanation or give any hints about it. That doesn't mean that all suicide threats shouldn't be taken seriously...but there IS a difference between one who really needs to end it, and one who just needs attention.

In Jay's case I can agree, but Mel's post just reads as though she's making a very broad statement about all attempted suicide.

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Originally posted by idoru It was out of context with Jay, which is why many of us decided to take it seriously. Also, how is attempting suicide not "on the same playing field"? In both scenarios, the individual goes in with the intent of ending their life. The only difference is the outcome; one person succeeds by making the trigger go click (and really, they're only attempting to kill themselves until the bullet hits the right part of the body), the other person fails by taking the wrong dose or not tying the noose tight enough. At the end of the day, each individual chose to end their life and acted accordingly.

I don't see it as "ending" their life if they took the wrong dose.

It's a cry for help. Even when I was receiving texts messages in Miami about this - during WMC.. and I did truly believe it because of what I am STILL going through....... when I found out it was through pills I had a feeling it was more of a cry for help then an actual suicide.

I guess that's where we differ. I won't get into it anymore.

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL I don't see it as "ending" their life if they took the wrong dose. If you really, truly wanted to end your life.. there would not be a wrong dose... only over dose. It's a cry for help. Even when I was receiving texts messages in Miami about this - during WMC.. and I did truly believe it because of what I am STILL going through....... when I found out it was through pills I had a feeling it was more of a cry for help then an actual suicide. I guess that's where we differ. I won't get into it anymore.

I guess, like I said shortly before you posted that, it all depends on the situation.

or you just really want to nit pick with what I say because maybe I didn't say it the same way Jenny did - but I agree with what Jenny said.

Oh well, who cares. Let's all get back to making fun of the OP. We were doing that, right?

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL or you just really want to nit pick with what I say because maybe I didn't say it the same way Jenny did - but I agree with what Jenny said.

I was just agreeing with you guys. What's your problem?

I am prob not even one of the ppl Omega is talking about but I just get irked that he needs to even be brought up or compared with Jay because now that we do know the outcomes.. they are not the same.

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Originally posted by idoru I was just agreeing with you guys. What's your problem?

i posted before i saw ur reply.. what's your problem?

I just probably had the worst weekend with Raul being reminded of almost every single day this weekend. Then I saw his post so sorry because I even PM'd Jay myself to tell him that it is still the hardest thing I am going through.

I tried to see raul's fav dj' this weekend and couldn't last 30 seconds without breaking down.

until any of you are in that state of mind, you really don't know shit tbh.

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Originally posted by epicaricacy until any of you are in that state of mind, you really don't know shit tbh.

and you need to realize the state of mind you will put your loved ones through.

Lol.

Welp, can of worms opened. I'm just gonna duck on out of this one.

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Originally posted by jennypie That's actually not true. People who really want to end it just do it. They generally don't offer much explanation or give any hints about it. That doesn't mean that all suicide threats shouldn't be taken seriously...but there IS a difference between one who really needs to end it, and one who just needs attention.

You're a fucking moron. Plain and simple. Like seriously are you honestly fucking taking nursing school or are you totting around with fisher price toys?

We get it, Jay was a prick, you're a c unt, im an ass etc. Fair game. But for you to simply make claims to dismiss a serious situation to try to cover your dumb ego, over jokes that you obviously took too seriously, is repulsive. Do you wish death upon people who accidently speed through orange lights?

God your a bitch. I can't believe they even let you handle piss pots. You'd probably give the contents to someone as apple juice if they looked at you the wrong way.

What the fuck are you talking about? That's common knowledge, right out of my psych nursing text AND as witnessed working in the mental hospital. Call me a moron all you want, but any person in the mental health field will tell you the same thing. My post has nothing to do with Jay, idiot. Get fucked.

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Originally posted by epicaricacy until any of you are in that state of mind, you really don't know shit tbh.

This.

Unless people have actually been there it's all just slychology and people should shut the fuck up about it.

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL Did you just.... really? Because I don't find this similar at all. Crying for attention (not using this in a bad way as he ended up needing help) is not the same as pulling the trigger. It was out of context with Jay and that is why it was hard to take him serious. I don't find "attempting suicide" and actual suicide on the same playing field.

Yeah, you're completely right. That's why attempted murder and murder are so different. Trying to do something but failing is sooo different then trying and succeeding. Clearly not as depressed. People who just attempt should try harder or stop crying.

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Originally posted by Lews Yeah, you're completely right. That's why attempted murder and murder are so different. Trying to do something but failing is sooo different then trying and succeeding. Clearly not as depressed. People who just attempt should try harder or stop crying.

A buddy of mine shot himself last summer. He was experiencing psychosis for quite some time and didn't want to take meds...but he just couldn't take it anymore and killed himself.



Then there was my friend's room mate who had a massive gambling addiction and owed a bunch of people money and shit. He took off for three or so days and left behind all of these elaborate envelopes with notes addressed to people in his life apologizing for everything and being very cryptic. The envelopes had pictures, cards, videotapes, other personal trinkets...

The police caught him before he had the chance to get where he was going - which was a plane to Las Vegas.

He was charged with all kinds of counts of fraud. Turns out he had been showing their apartment for months and just keeping the deposit money.


Lol.

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Originally posted by jennypie What the fuck are you talking about? That's common knowledge, right out of my psych nursing text AND as witnessed working in the mental hospital. Call me a moron all you want, but any person in the mental health field will tell you the same thing. My post has nothing to do with Jay, idiot. Get fucked.

You're an idiot. plain and simple. I think you should have started school in another 10 years, seems like you still have some growing up to do.

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Originally posted by jennypie A buddy of mine shot himself last summer. He was experiencing psychosis for quite some time and didn't want to take meds...but he just couldn't take it anymore and killed himself. Then there was my friend's room mate who had a massive gambling addiction and owed a bunch of people money and shit. He took off for three or so days and left behind all of these elaborate envelopes with notes addressed to people in his life apologizing for everything and being very cryptic. The envelopes had pictures, cards, videotapes, other personal trinkets... The police caught him before he had the chance to get where he was going - which was a plane to Las Vegas. He was charged with all kinds of counts of fraud. Turns out he had been showing their apartment for months and just keeping the deposit money. Lol.

You could do yourself a big favour and shut the fuck up and admit your completely wrong.

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