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Amen Donnie! I hear you out, Just bring trance if/when possible, Thank you!

yeah cut the man some slack

Maybe the reason bar sales are down during big trance acts is because it is impossible to get the bar or even be served with all the people in there. Perhaps, there is some way they can change the lay out in Gryphon one day to make it with bars in several parts or something......it's crazy in there when it gets busy.

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Dj Rap is the only booking that is released to the public now. You think I would really say that she is breaking the bank, come on. We have some good bookings coming in June just waiting on a couple things to get finalized before I can say anything. If by "glorified hallway" you mean Pangaea then yes. It doesn't matter what you think of that club, it still is a club and does very very well. Everyone that looks from the outside in completely forgets about all the over that comes with running a venue. Staff, vendors, djs, utility bills, promoters, everyone that is in the office working all day 6 days a week to make things happen. Its real easy to say book this guy or this guy but at the end of the night you don't see the numbers and have to deal with the downside. When something looks like a great night to you, it actuality it wasn't the greatest night for us. Example: Above & Beyond yea it looked like an EPIC fucking night to all of the guests!! Yea it was an awesome night of music and a packed house but in reality and business land, bar sales were low. From what we have noticed and other clubs down here have noticed is that the Trance acts come and the bar sales slack. Maybe your doing different things more power to you, do what you want but this is a reason we don't bring acts like this that often. Why would we? when we can book our Residents for a tenth of the cost and do 50% more bar sales and the people love our residents and they pack house just like Friday was packed. At the end of the day this is a BUSINESS and we do our best to keep the different variety of all our guests happy. Being around for 5 years we are obviously doing something right. 5 years is an eternity, especially for a club down here. Trust me though we will bring a couple more trance acts, it was a good night musically and energy wise in the club was amazing. Our whole thing is that we like to mix it up genre wise, so that we can please everyone and it gives everyone the opportunity to see what a great venue we have to offer. I know I have been getting calls from people that came on Friday and have been asking what is going on the next couple of weeks. If you were in there last Saturday it was a great night with our Resident Roland, he packs house and holds that dance floor until early in the am hours. In the past year we have brought a great mix of talent: -Matt Darey -Dubfire -Infected Mushroom -Cedric Gervais -Funkagenda -Patrick M -Louis Puig -Timo Maas -Johnathan Peters -Serge Devant -Steve Lawler -Terry Hunter -Junior Vasquez -Danny Tenaglia -Victor Calderone -Oscar G -D:Fuse -Mark Farina -Paul Oakenfold -Trent Cantrelle -Jojo Flores -Above and Beyond We have Chris Lake, Robbie Rivera, DJ Rap, Lee Burridge(TBC), Marco V., Funkagenda, The Crystal Method all coming up. Show me one club down here bringing such a mix of talent across the genres. We cover it all and thats the main reason we have been here for 5 years and hope to be around for another 5 years. We do hear the people talking and we're gonna work on getting more Trance but as for right now we are booked solid up until August. IMO that is why the scene has fallen off down here. Everyone is so fucking genre picky, oh I'm not going he plays house, I wanna hear trance or vice versa. Everyone wants this and that to happen but only support the venue when they bring what that person wants to hear. More than likely that person will never come to that venue again because they don't like what is played there the other 51 weeks out of the year. Sure I don't like trance but I went out and I enjoyed myself fully last Friday, hell I even caught SVD and PVD during conference, wasn't my cup of tea but I went out and supported and watched and listened to them for a couple of hours, luckily I was at Space and went upstairs and watched, Adam Beyer, Paul Ritch and Ida Engberg destroy the loft and then caught Chus & Ceballos and Mark Knight tagging teaming on the terrace. I wanna be a pusher for the scene and get it back to where it was in the late 90's, those were fun days! I like going out now and catching acts or genres that I might not listen too. Thats the only way venues will survive. A good example of this is a couple weeks ago, I wanted to make it down to the Pickle to catch Henrik Schwarz because I've been on this deep house kick, since I've been playing a lot of opening sets. None of my group of friends wanted to go down because they watched videos of him and said they would be bored. In the end I had a couple people on another forum I'm on ranting about how he blew that place up with an amazing live set. The words I heard from people were "Life changing" and now I'm kicking myself for missing that, believe me it won't happen next time. In the end we need to support the venues so that they can continue to bring different acts. Just my two cents, sorry for the long rant

I have been to Gryphon twice since the club opened the first time for Kaskade and now this past weekend for A&B. I like the club its cool. But for those of us who live in Miami its a mission. If the talent is great, its worth the drive. Unfortunatly if I want to go to a club and see a resident, I much rather do it in downtown or possibly the beach. I want to drink and have fun till the am I dont want to make the drive home from Broward. Most of the people I met at the show on Fri night were from Miami too. Bring the talent and I am there.

bring timo maas again.

also bad boy bill should be on your calender. its already listed on am onlys website.

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin bring timo maas again. also bad boy bill should be on your calender. its already listed on am onlys website.

Timo was great, we had some things go down that week so it was kind of a slow night, but a great night of music.

Yea I forgot to mention Bad Boy Bill. He rocked it on New Years two years back. The guy is a monster!!

As for the bar statement. Sure its tough to get to the bar sometimes but two weeks before we had Victor Calderone in there and sold that event out too and that was a great night for bar sales. It all depends on the crowd and what djs are there. In all honesty A&B water and red bull sales were pretty good, liquor and beer sales not so much. For Victor liquor and beer sales were rocking along with red bull and water.

Well if I have to say, I'll say it...

Most trance listeners are on some sort of substance that makes they consume water and red bull and most house listerners are on coke and drink alcohol to bring their high down but then do another bump when it goes away and need another drink to bring it down lol

regardless, we all would like trance, case in point. We miss it! I saw Acosta at the show and I had a flashback of all the nights I spent listening to him spin at shadow and level and spin then spi and those places were packed week in and week out.

I am sorry but I think Oscar G is crap, I am tired of listening to him. I hate that people in miami think he's a god because that's all they know. If they heard other talent and if other acts were brought in they would soon realize there are so many different artists out there!

I know I have to travel to Orlando and Tampa and NYC and Toronto to catch trance acts, I wish they would just come here to my city or somewhere closer than a 4 hr drive or plane ride.

Btw, in Toronto and Orlando and Tampa there is a cut off for alcohol sales. I know Orlando and Tampa close their clubs early but Guverment in Toronto stays open until 7 am and on and they always are packed. So yes, I get you want liquor sales to soar, but give the people what they want with good music please!

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Originally posted by ac1dream I have been to Gryphon twice since the club opened the first time for Kaskade and now this past weekend for A&B. I like the club its cool. But for those of us who live in Miami its a mission. If the talent is great, its worth the drive. Unfortunatly if I want to go to a club and see a resident, I much rather do it in downtown or possibly the beach. I want to drink and have fun till the am I dont want to make the drive home from Broward. Most of the people I met at the show on Fri night were from Miami too. Bring the talent and I am there.

Thats awesome, glad you like the club. I make it down to Miami to see guys I haven't seen, that I've seen or just to support venues and I make that drive back to Broward in the am. Have a couple drinks early and enjoy the music the rest of the night. At least you would be getting out and supporting. Shit I make my way to space every Sunday morning to support my good buddy Patrick M.

When did everything turn into I wanna go out and get fucking retarded? Does no one love the music anymore? No one can have a fun night without getting drunk?

So you went to Kaskade and then came for A&B, but you say bring the talent and you would come up more. In that time frame we've had some great talent come through.

-Serge Devant
-Steve Lawler
-Matt Darey
-Dubfire
-Timo Maas
-Funkagenda
-Cedric Gervais
-Jonathan Peters
-Infected Mushroom
-Terry Hunter(one the pioneers of house music in Chicago)
-Miss Nine
-Victor Calderone
-Robbie Rivera
-Patrick M and Louis Puig and myself (shameless plug lol)
-George Acosta
-Noel Sanger

That was a 9 month time period from Kaskade until A&B, out of all those djs listed none of them caught your eye? I guess none of those guys had talent

If you say no, this is exactly what I explained in my earlier post. Everyone is too music specific these days. Why not try and catch one of these guys you may have never seen or haven't seen them in a while.

This is a major reason venues are starting to stop booking major talent. There is no support from our music community! It's another reason why they book joe schmo with his laptop to come play some music because hes cheaper and gets the same results.

Why wouldn't you want to support the local artists? Guys like Roland, Edgar V, George Acosta, Noel Sanger and many more that get fucked on bookings down here because there is no support from the local contingent.

Everyone including myself needs to start showing a little more support to these venues and artists. I know no one wants to see the scene die down here, so lets fucking support it with our local artists. If we show support that way it gives a reason to these bigger clubs to bring in the big guns.

Just my honest opinion and I'm not speaking about Gryphon in general. There's plenty of places in Miami that are bringing great acts that you probably don't make it out to either, i.e. Electric Pickle, Vagabond and Grand Central to name a few

Cuz I know you are trying to prove a point.. but I wouldn't see 25% of those people you just listed and I am not genre specific.

Darey & Lawler.. yes yes and yes

JP,Calderone & Robbie = Jersey SHore - no thanks.

IM.. if I wanted a rock concert - I'd go to one.

Space Residents - I wouldn't drive to Ft Laud to see 'em

Now your final paragraph I agree. EP has some bomb ass bookings. Matt Tolfrey owns and I am completely saddened that I won't be there for it cuz Rebel Rave in Miami was just massive.

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Originally posted by Wenddy Well if I have to say, I'll say it... Most trance listeners are on some sort of substance that makes they consume water and red bull and most house listerners are on coke and drink alcohol to bring their high down but then do another bump when it goes away and need another drink to bring it down lol regardless, we all would like trance, case in point. We miss it! I saw Acosta at the show and I had a flashback of all the nights I spent listening to him spin at shadow and level and spin then spi and those places were packed week in and week out. I am sorry but I think Oscar G is crap, I am tired of listening to him. I hate that people in miami think he's a god because that's all they know. If they heard other talent and if other acts were brought in they would soon realize there are so many different artists out there! I know I have to travel to Orlando and Tampa and NYC and Toronto to catch trance acts, I wish they would just come here to my city or somewhere closer than a 4 hr drive or plane ride. Btw, in Toronto and Orlando and Tampa there is a cut off for alcohol sales. I know Orlando and Tampa close their clubs early but Guverment in Toronto stays open until 7 am and on and they always are packed. So yes, I get you want liquor sales to soar, but give the people what they want with good music please!

You say to bring more Trance acts well in less than 9 months we have brought:

Paul Oakenfold
Matt Darey
Serge Devant(not as trancey as he was a couple years back)
Infected Mushroom(Psy-Trance)
Noel Sanger
George Acosta(He played a pretty trancey set when we had him in there the last time)
Above & Beyond
We have Marco V. coming(You'll say he doesn't really play trance anymore and thats exactly what I'm saying genre picky. Just because the guy throws some techy elements in his music now, you write him off as not being trance)

So tell me how many other venues have brought that much trance for you?


So you don't like OG, you say people act like he's God. The guy fucking deserves to be worshiped. Those old mainroom sets at Space were legendary, Oscar is one of the pioneers of Space, along with Ivano, Edgar, Roland and now Patrick is taking over that responsibilty. OG is one the best turntables around and he always puts on a great show.

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JP,Calderone & Robbie = Jersey SHore - no thanks.

Whats funny is all three of those shows have been no where near Jersey Shore status. We draw a little nicer crowd than the usual places that bring those guys.

Victor was straight packed with beautiful girls and I honestly saw about 20 meatheads in there, nothing against them they like the music and they support.

JP was slammed too, I didn't make it in that night because I couldn't find parking.

Robbie had a great looking crowd also

Infected Mushroom was a dj set full on Psy Trance and it was insanity

The greatest thing about the old days was that you would go out to a party and it was a place where everyone could come together: gays, straights, girls, guys, fat bitches, skinny bitches, fat dudes, skinny dudes, drag queens, transvestites, meatheads and everything in between. Nobody gave a shit, you were there for the music and to have a good fucking time. Now we all bitch, there's gonna be jersey shore dudes there, there's gonna be to many gays or lesbians blah blah blah blah if you love EDM support it. Thats what makes the night so much fun, seeing all these different characters gathered together in one room to support the music!! I love Space just for that reason, its always a fun party with the craziest mix of people.

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon You say to bring more Trance acts well in less than 9 months we have brought: Paul Oakenfold Matt Darey Serge Devant(not as trancey as he was a couple years back) Infected Mushroom(Psy-Trance) Noel Sanger George Acosta(He played a pretty trancey set when we had him in there the last time) Above & Beyond We have Marco V. coming(You'll say he doesn't really play trance anymore and thats exactly what I'm saying genre picky. Just because the guy throws some techy elements in his music now, you write him off as not being trance) So tell me how many other venues have brought that much trance for you? So you don't like OG, you say people act like he's God. The guy fucking deserves to be worshiped. Those old mainroom sets at Space were legendary, Oscar is one of the pioneers of Space, along with Ivano, Edgar, Roland and now Patrick is taking over that responsibilty. OG is one the best turntables around and he always puts on a great show.

need I remind you that I'm the one that told you you guys are bringing in Marco V? Lol I know what he plays, I am excited to see him.

This website is called TranceAddict! Yes all types of music are discussed here but the majority on here love trance.

All the space people you mentioned are crap to me so let's just drop the subject there. We all are expressing who we would like to see and since you are a promoter for gryphon, who seems to be the only club as of late that are bringing acts we want to see, we are telling you so you can inform the club and hopefully they will listen.

Also, charging as much as you did for above and beyond was pretty shitty. $50? Yes I know people paid it because we wanted to see them but try not to do that for all other trance shows just because you guys know we are desperate for trance. I know it's all about the money in the end, you guys are running a business after all, but for that don't book shows then anymore. I rather pay $ for a flight on spirit to Orlando and pay $10 for entrance for Ferry for example than pay $ for oakenfold at gryphon and it cost me the same about and sorry but Ferry > Oakey.

lol damn people give the bloake a chance! geez! at least trance was even brought down here outside of WMC and a place OTHER than fucking Space.

I am all for more trance acts but you're taking it out on him like if he's in charge and makes final decisions. I'm sure he can give suggestions but shit it can't be THAT easy. It also has to do with the PR people of these DJ's.

If it were Space, I'm sure it could be easier but this is Gryphon we're talking about - they've only recently tapped into this trance booking business.

I'm hoping it happens and we can get more trance booked. I'm very tired of PvD being the only time "trance" can be seen down here and at Space - I'm so fucking tired of that club already.

But srsly give Donnie a break & lets see what happens.
Above & Beyond was an AWESOME night - hoping for more of those.

While Marco V isn't generally trancey anymore, I'm down to go. I saw him 3 years back during WMC @ The Fifth and I dug his set.

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Originally posted by Wenddy need I remind you that I'm the one that told you you guys are bringing in Marco V? Lol I know what he plays, I am excited to see him. This website is called TranceAddict! Yes all types of music are discussed here but the majority on here love trance. All the space people you mentioned are crap to me so let's just drop the subject there. We all are expressing who we would like to see and since you are a promoter for gryphon, who seems to be the only club as of late that are bringing acts we want to see, we are telling you so you can inform the club and hopefully they will listen. Also, charging as much as you did for above and beyond was pretty shitty. $50? Yes I know people paid it because we wanted to see them but try not to do that for all other trance shows just because you guys know we are desperate for trance. I know it's all about the money in the end, you guys are running a business after all, but for that don't book shows then anymore. I rather pay $ for a flight on spirit to Orlando and pay $10 for entrance for Ferry for example than pay $ for oakenfold at gryphon and it cost me the same about and sorry but Ferry > Oakey.

Do you forget that tickets were $25? Sure we sold them for more the day prior to the event and FYI they were $40 for GA and $50 for VIP. We sold over 400 tickets before the price went up. There were people offering $75 to $100 to get in that night.

Thanks for telling me about Marco V., I did that booking and it was finalized that day you told me so I couldn't say anything but hey you got it up first.

Thats funny all the space people are crap to you. If it wasn't for Space and their residents the scene here would be dead.

Ferry>Oakey
Thats exactly what I'm saying we bring trance and then you bitch about it because its not Corsten its not PVD its not SVD its not whoever but shit give us credit for bringing trance to the people. Oakenfold was $25 at least its in the area.

I read in the other thread with Christopher Lawerence from someone saying the music is too out there its Psy-Trance, at least its trancey and its something close for you Trance heads. At least Pat said hes gonna try and make it to support. Thats the attitude everyone with EDM needs to have to make this shit work.

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Thats awesome, glad you like the club. I make it down to Miami to see guys I haven't seen, that I've seen or just to support venues and I make that drive back to Broward in the am. Have a couple drinks early and enjoy the music the rest of the night. At least you would be getting out and supporting. Shit I make my way to space every Sunday morning to support my good buddy Patrick M. When did everything turn into I wanna go out and get fucking retarded? Does no one love the music anymore? No one can have a fun night without getting drunk? So you went to Kaskade and then came for A&B, but you say bring the talent and you would come up more. In that time frame we've had some great talent come through. -Serge Devant -Steve Lawler -Matt Darey -Dubfire -Timo Maas -Funkagenda -Cedric Gervais -Jonathan Peters -Infected Mushroom -Terry Hunter(one the pioneers of house music in Chicago) -Miss Nine -Victor Calderone -Robbie Rivera -Patrick M and Louis Puig and myself (shameless plug lol) -George Acosta -Noel Sanger That was a 9 month time period from Kaskade until A&B, out of all those djs listed none of them caught your eye? I guess none of those guys had talent If you say no, this is exactly what I explained in my earlier post. Everyone is too music specific these days. Why not try and catch one of these guys you may have never seen or haven't seen them in a while. This is a major reason venues are starting to stop booking major talent. There is no support from our music community! It's another reason why they book joe schmo with his laptop to come play some music because hes cheaper and gets the same results. Why wouldn't you want to support the local artists? Guys like Roland, Edgar V, George Acosta, Noel Sanger and many more that get fucked on bookings down here because there is no support from the local contingent. Everyone including myself needs to start showing a little more support to these venues and artists. I know no one wants to see the scene die down here, so lets fucking support it with our local artists. If we show support that way it gives a reason to these bigger clubs to bring in the big guns. Just my honest opinion and I'm not speaking about Gryphon in general. There's plenty of places in Miami that are bringing great acts that you probably don't make it out to either, i.e. Electric Pickle, Vagabond and Grand Central to name a few

You are so missing the point. Do you forget where you are posting? This isnt facebook. This Website is called Tranceaddict Forum. Hmmm do you think we like trance music....well maybe?

The artists who you mentioned above are also great artists. Who happen to also come to Miami Clubs and events. Personally, I hardly ever look at any of the Clubs in Broward for schedules or events. If I happen to hear about something and I don�t already have something else going on, I will check it out. But, like you said, there are sooooo many places to go that are closer to home (and I know I am talking about for myself only here) to support. It�s not because I need to be careful when I drive. I don�t have to be intoxicated to attend anything and have an amazing time. I just hate driving home 45 minutes from Hard Rock. lol!

I applaud Gryphon for trying to introduce multiple genres of music for everyone�s enjoyment. I personally enjoy various different types of music, and showing my support for all of them. It excites me to see Gryphon stick their neck out there for Trance music. We all know its not like the old days. If it weren�t for the fact that you had Kaskade a few months ago and of course A&B. I swear I wouldn�t even have known that Gryphon wasn�t like Passions and play freestyle and hip hop.

Tough crowd here huh? LOL

LOL

Tickets were originally $25.

Why is everyone complaining...No one else has brought TRANCE acts the entire year but Gryphon, other then PVD @ SPACE! Why don't you guys go rant on LP or Louis Diaz on why they're not booking Trance acts either? In the end guys Donnie is right, it's all about BUSINESS $$$ and trance people are known not to spend that much at the bar.

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Originally posted by FallingMoon lol damn people give the bloake a chance! geez! at least trance was even brought down here outside of WMC and a place OTHER than fucking Space. I am all for more trance acts but you're taking it out on him like if he's in charge and makes final decisions. I'm sure he can give suggestions but shit it can't be THAT easy. It also has to do with the PR people of these DJ's. If it were Space, I'm sure it could be easier but this is Gryphon we're talking about - they've only recently tapped into this trance booking business. I'm hoping it happens and we can get more trance booked. I'm very tired of PvD being the only time "trance" can be seen down here and at Space - I'm so fucking tired of that club already. But srsly give Donnie a break & lets see what happens. Above & Beyond was an AWESOME night - hoping for more of those. While Marco V isn't generally trancey anymore, I'm down to go. I saw him 3 years back during WMC @ The Fifth and I dug his set.

THANK YOU! Your exactly right its not as easy as picking up the phone and saying hey I wanna give you $5,000 to come play. You have to jump through hoops with some of these guys. Especially when their are with an agency, usually requires you book a couple of their smaller acts first.

I've made it known that trance needs to be down here more often and trust me its in the works but this isn't fucking peaches and cream booking these guys. At the end of the day I don't have the final decision unless its my money on the line, not the clubs.

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Do you forget that tickets were $25? Sure we sold them for more the day prior to the event and FYI they were $40 for GA and $50 for VIP. We sold over 400 tickets before the price went up. There were people offering $75 to $100 to get in that night. Thanks for telling me about Marco V., I did that booking and it was finalized that day you told me so I couldn't say anything but hey you got it up first. Thats funny all the space people are crap to you. If it wasn't for Space and their residents the scene here would be dead. Ferry>Oakey Thats exactly what I'm saying we bring trance and then you bitch about it because its not Corsten its not PVD its not SVD its not whoever but shit give us credit for bringing trance to the people. Oakenfold was $25 at least its in the area. I read in the other thread with Christopher Lawerence from someone saying the music is too out there its Psy-Trance, at least its trancey and its something close for you Trance heads. At least Pat said hes gonna try and make it to support. Thats the attitude everyone with EDM needs to have to make this shit work.

Forget anything I said, you are obviously taking it the wrong way. Keep doing what you are doing. Good luck with your future endeavors.

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Originally posted by Wenddy Forget anything I said, you are obviously taking it the wrong way. Keep doing what you are doing. Good luck with your future endeavors.

I'm not taking it the wrong way at all. You made the remark you would rather fly to OTown to see Ferry because Ferry>Oakey. Correct?? Then you bitch that there's no trance down here. Am I right so far? lol So we bring trance to the club and then you complain that its not so and so. At least you have PVD to look forward to in Dec at Space(if that happens).

At least there's some activity in this forum now a days

i think the point some of us are trying to make is that if gryphon just didnt care about making as much money on a couple nights by bringing trance, at the end of the day it would still benefit them more in the long run. rather than being so short sighted and saying "trance doesnt make money at the bar" and never booking trance again, think about what such an awesome like a&b did for gryphon. people will be talking about that night for awhile and people who werent there will hear how awesome it was and then want to go to gryphon. at the end of the day, you could actually make more money on an epic night like a&b with all the residual effects from it. lol. "residual". i wonder where i got that from. fucking fits perfectly though doesnt it? anyway... no one is saying to bring nothing but trance. but bringing in a few more trance artists from time to time will help the club grow. and even if you make a little less money on bar sales a couple nights out of the year, you'll make it up on other nights because of the influx of people who will want to see why people keep talking about gryphon. we all understand the business aspect of it. we all get that trance kids take pills and dont drink anything but water and red bull. we all get that cokeheads drink more. etc etc. but has anyone said ticket prices need to be $10 like in orlando or tampa? no. we dont mind paying $25 or more to get in because its rare we get these kinda shows down here. go ahead and make your money, thats fine, but how much money are you really losing on trance shows when you're charging $8 for a beer and $7 for water? im sure you get the water at a cheaper price too. i dunno, i dont know that part of the business as im not a club owner, promoter, or even employee. but i digress... does anyone get what im saying? by saying "case closed, trance shows dont make enough money because of bar sales" you're cutting out a huge part of the market and limiting your potential. dont think that trance is just a losing cause because its not. look at how massive this thread is and how people are fighting for you guys to bring more trance? doesnt that say something?

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin i think the point some of us are trying to make is that if gryphon just didnt care about making as much money on a couple nights by bringing trance, at the end of the day it would still benefit them more in the long run. rather than being so short sighted and saying "trance doesnt make money at the bar" and never booking trance again, think about what such an awesome like a&b did for gryphon. people will be talking about that night for awhile and people who werent there will hear how awesome it was and then want to go to gryphon. at the end of the day, you could actually make more money on an epic night like a&b with all the residual effects from it. lol. "residual". i wonder where i got that from. fucking fits perfectly though doesnt it? anyway... no one is saying to bring nothing but trance. but bringing in a few more trance artists from time to time will help the club grow. and even if you make a little less money on bar sales a couple nights out of the year, you'll make it up on other nights because of the influx of people who will want to see why people keep talking about gryphon. we all understand the business aspect of it. we all get that trance kids take pills and dont drink anything but water and red bull. we all get that cokeheads drink more. etc etc. but has anyone said ticket prices need to be $10 like in orlando or tampa? no. we dont mind paying $25 or more to get in because its rare we get these kinda shows down here. go ahead and make your money, thats fine, but how much money are you really losing on trance shows when you're charging $8 for a beer and $7 for water? im sure you get the water at a cheaper price too. i dunno, i dont know that part of the business as im not a club owner, promoter, or even employee. but i digress... does anyone get what im saying? by saying "case closed, trance shows dont make enough money because of bar sales" you're cutting out a huge part of the market and limiting your potential. dont think that trance is just a losing cause because its not. look at how massive this thread is and how people are fighting for you guys to bring more trance? doesnt that say something?

We didn't lose money at all. I'm playing both sides of the fields here: In the clubs eyes they didn't make the same money they would as bringing a techno or house or resident dj in but in the same breath they are very happy because that was an amazing party, thats the great thing about our owners its not always about making the most profit, they love when its a good party. I'm saying that it was a great night of music and the energy was amazing and it was a great party. That doesn't mean we aren't going to bring more trance acts because we're going too. We have been bringing trance acts and will continue to bring trance acts. Your point that the club will grow, is exactly what I'm trying to do. Sure I make a cut when I bring people into the club, sure I plug my events on here now but at the end of the day I could careless about the money as long as the party is fucking EPIC!!

I'm just trying to defend myself when people say bring "great talent" and we'll come out or Trance DJ a > Trance DJ b, at least we bring you trance. But to continue to bring trance we need help from trance kids to support other genres.

Answer me this question, this is how I look at from my standpoint
What is the gain for us to bring trance to the people that want it but their only gonna come out to our club when Trance is booked? But our regular guests who love the club will come out no matter whos playing because they know we throw one hell of a party......just a rhetorical question and I bring it up because people on here have stated you bring the talent and we'll come up but we do bring talent on a weekly basis

We have had the pleasure of having some great djs grace the decks be it techno, house, tech house, trance and ect. We do bring great talent and we have been the only club to consistently bring trance for the past year outside of WMC. Give us some credit for making the effort and sticking our necks out on these bookings

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon When did everything turn into I wanna go out and get fucking retarded? Does no one love the music anymore? No one can have a fun night without getting drunk?

Love the effort Donnie, keep it up. And I have been to Gryphon several times over the last year as the lineups have become more interesting. I support all forms of EDM when I can. I even go to Space to hear house and tech sometimes, which is far from my favorite, and like going to a Chucky Cheese for an old-timer like me. But that is close to home, Gryphon is not, so it takes a great lineup to get us Miami folks up there. I hope you can understand that. Would you travel for something you do not like and/or can get around the corner anytime, of course not? I will not comment on all your prior posts or what I think about your current lineup because it will not be constructive, and whether you believe it or not mine is intended to be constructive criticism. If people like the shows they will pay and go, if not they will not, period. I will only say that if Gryhon brings the same talent and/or styles of EDM we already have in Miami why would anyone in Miami travel there??? That is why I focus on trance & think you guys should do so more, because it gets you a broader market and range of people. It's simple economics. Will we also travel for tech or house, maybe, just book DJs that are not booked here. (like: Cox, Zabiela, Paul Ritch, Dubfire, Beyer, Hawtin, Fanciulli)

Now you were complaining in your prior post that bar sales were too low last week for Above & Beyond. Yet in the above post you now are asking why people need to get messed up when they go out? You are asking whether anyone loves the music anymore? You are claiming that people should go out for the love of music and asking whether anyone can have fun WITHOUT GETTING DRUNK. Talk about contradicting yourself. Make up your mind Donnie. Do you want people to go out for the love of music or to drink their asses off to maximum levels in order to increase Gryphon's bar sales and bottom line profits as much as possible???????

And your claim that bar sales are too low for trance events is one of the top 10 BS "excuses" clubs & promoters have always resorted to when trying to justify not booking trance. LP would be proud of you, and expects a royalty check as he has a patent and copyright on that "no-trance" excuse. In fact the VIP tables were full last week for A&B, which counts as bar sales. And there is no way you or anyone else can claim that on a regular night Gryphon does anywhere near as good as last Friday. I have been there before & know they do not.

Anyways good luck with the bookings. Book who you want and the market will let you know if you made the right choices or not. Just when on TA focus on the bottom line, results and save the excuses for not getting us more trance. That way the argument can end ....

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Thats funny all the space people are crap to you. If it wasn't for Space and their residents the scene here would be dead.

Have to disagree. If Space were not around the last 10 years someone else would be doing the same thing and mixing it up with much better bookings than Space right now. LP just took advantage of a market that was there, did so nicely, but seems bored with it already. In fact right now Patrick M is a better DJ than 90% of the guests they bring to the terrace. Space used to have good booking agents until about 2006, since then it has steadily gone to complete shit. Note the techno loft lineups are clearly done by someone else, even if approved by Space. Last year they were so much better than the terrace, even if they are starting to slack a little now as well. LP probably cut their budget & started denying their requests

And in your prior posts you keep writing about how great the scene was in the late 90s and how you wish we could go back to those days. Well here's a news flash for you: Space did not exist until March 2000. So clearly the scene did exist before Space & would've survived if Space never existed, or now ceased to exist ...

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Originally posted by snatonsb Tough crowd here huh? LOL

Yup! It just shows that people are passionate about the music, whether it's just trance or various types of electronic music.

Donnie, I want to thank you for being very involved in the forum in regards to responding to all the posts, both positive and negative. It show's that you do care about the scene and are not just trying to promote events. I've seen promoters that join the forum to promote an event and you never hear from them again. keep it up, it's greatly appreciated.

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