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Jesus H Christ guys...

Calm down ffs...

Read the article I posted...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer After this disaster I think the world community should take a closer look at the nuclear energy all together. The risks are clearly way too high.

Another idiotic, alarmist post...

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Originally posted by evil_cookie Chris, I think it's more important to raise awareness in a way that gives a comprehensive view of how people interpret a major event like the earthquake in Japan. More importantly, these types of people and their shameful views on the human condition are not as uncommon as you think. You'd be surprised at the kind of positive influence a video like this can have on someone.

Sure but not with stupid and ridiculous views like that. How is a view like that constructive dude? I mean I'd better understand if it were posts attempting to provide answers to the nuclear thing as was shown earlier in the thread.

These may not be that uncommon but I'm sure the vast majority of people out there aren't that retarded. At least I hope not. I'm a cynic (or used to be) but somehow have recovered some optimism in the last few years. lol.

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Originally posted by VDub Another idiotic, alarmist post...

People have got to be more aware of this technology and the risks that come along with it. How is that idiotic you moron?

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Originally posted by E2EK1EL

I believe this was confirmed as a troll video.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer People have got to be more aware of this technology and the risks that come along with it. How is that idiotic you moron?

It's idiotic because the risks are not too high...

Would you rather we scrap nuclear energy and go back to coal??

Did you not read the article that I linked to or are you just going to keep spreading ridiculous Chernobyl hype???

Worst case scenario is that the reactors are ruined and have to be replaced...

A melt down is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD with modern technology and design!!




Schmuck...

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Originally posted by VDub Worst case scenario is that the reactors are ruined and have to be replaced...

what about radiation that have reached hundreds of miles away from the plant? is that not significant?

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Originally posted by geroin what about radiation that have reached hundreds of miles away from the plant? is that not significant?

depends on the levels of radiation

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced depends on the levels of radiation

well according to the japanese article i posted the levels are way above normal:


"in Ibaraki Prefecture, adjacent to Fukushima Prefecture where the troubled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant is located, the amount of radiation at one stage reached 5 microsievert per hour, 100 times higher than usual, the Ibaraki prefectural government said.

In Kanagawa Prefecture, the radiation level shot up 10 times higher than usual.

In Saitama, capital of Saitama Prefecture, the amount of radiation reached 1,222 nanosievert per hour -- a figure about 40 times higher than usual.

In Ichihara, Chiba Prefecture, the amount of radiation showed a two- to four-fold increase, the Chiba prefectural government said.

The amount of radiation rose to 1.318 micro sievert per hour -- a figure 33 times bigger than usual -- in Tochigi Prefecture's capital of Utsunomiya, the Tochigi prefectural government said.

The science ministry said it had asked prefectural governments to observe radiation levels as frequently as possible.

Meanwhile, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said the radiation level reached 400 millisievert per hour near the No. 3 reactor at the Fukushima No. 1 plant Tuesday morning. The amount is 400 times higher than the allowable limit for citizens in a year."

'Sonic' and 'Street Fighter' Titles Temporarily On Sale, 100% of Proceeds Go to Japan Relief





Living more than 5000 miles away, it�s hard for me to imagine the tragedy that struck Japan this past week. A devastating earthquake rocked the country from top to bottom, followed by a tsunami that reached practically every Pacific Ocean coastline. Many different organizations have set up channels to offer relief to Japan, and even in our tiny iOS corner of the world two Japan-based developers are doing their part as well.

Sega has dropped the price of every Sonic the Hedgehog game from now until March 20th, with 100% of the proceeds going to the Red Cross Disaster Relief in Japan. 3 of these 4 Sonic titles are emulated Genesis games, with Sonic Spinball being the one that works the best with virtual controls. Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 don�t fare as well, as they require the precision of physical controls, but honestly they work good enough to give you a quick nostalgia fix if you were a fan of the original titles. Sonic 4, on the other hand, is a brand new Sonic game which has been tailored for the touch screen. It�s a bit short overall, but we really liked Sonic 4 a lot in our review.

Capcom has also lowered the price of one of their flagship titles, Street Fighter IV. From now until March 22nd Street Fighter IV for iPhone will be just 99� with all sales going to charity. This version of Street Fighter impressed everybody when it released a year ago with how well it translated to the touch screen for a game that has traditionally relied on physical button controls. Our original glowing review doesn�t even tell the whole story, as the game has been updated many times since then adding new characters, modes, and functionality. It�s practically twice the game it originally was, and if you�re even remotely a Street Fighter fan, this needs to be in your collection.


It�s not always easy to offer support to tragedies like this, especially when many iOS gamers are too young to have a reasonable means of donating to a relief fund. This special promotion gives an easy way to do a small part towards helping, even if all you have is a spare few dollars of iTunes credit to spend. In fact, last month Street Fighter IV dropped to 99� for the first time ever and claimed the #1 spot in the App Store charts, so there is definitely potential to rack up a good amount of donation money for Japan. And it�s not such a bad deal for yourself, either, as all of these games are worth owning anyway. If you happen to already have them for yourself, now would also be a great time to gift them to family or friends with iOS devices.

App Store Links:
Sonic Spinball, $0.99
Sonic the Hedgehog, $1.99
Sonic the Hedgehog 2, $2.99
Sonic The Hedgehog 4� Episode I, $3.99
App Store Link: STREET FIGHTER IV, $0.99


Apple Store Manager in Tokyo Details Apple's Response to the Earthquake




Kevin Rose has posted a detailed letter from an Tokyo Apple Store manager which details how Apple responded to the current crisis in Japan.

We pasted much of the letter below; however, you can read it in its entirety at the link provided.

Read More [via Margo]

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I work at Apple as a manager at one of its stores in Japan. The earthquake hit while I was working on the first floor of one of their stores. As the entire building swayed, the staff calmly led people from the top 5 floors down to the first floor, and under the ridiculously strong wooden tables that hold up the display computers.

7 hours and 118 aftershocks later, the store was still open. Why? Because with the phone and train lines down, taxis stopped, and millions of people stuck in the Tokyo shopping district scared, with no access to television, hundreds of people were swarming into Apple stores to watch the news on USTREAM and contact their families via Twitter, Facebook, and email. The young did it on their mobile devices, while the old clustered around the macs. There were even some Android users there. (There are almost no free wifi spots in Japan besides Apple stores, so even Android users often come to the stores.)

You know how in disaster movies, people on the street gather around electronic shops that have TVs in the display windows so they can stay informed with what is going on? In this digital age, that's what the Tokyo Apple stores became. Staff brought out surge protectors and extension cords with 10s of iOS device adapters so people could charge their phones & pads and contact their loved ones. Even after we finally had to close 10pm, crowds of people huddled in front of our stores to use the wifi into the night, as it was still the only way to get access to the outside world.

Anyway, I mention this not because I work at Apple now, or because I'm an admitted fanboy, but because I'm genuinely proud of the Apple Japan staff and their willingness to stay open to help people that day. And I'm also impressed with the way Apple's products (and yes, Google's, Twitter's, and Facebook's) helped them that day. Even after we had to close, many of the staff stayed outside the store to fixing iphones and teaching people how to contact family or stay informed via wifi.

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A quick list of kind things Apple did after we closed:

1. Because the trains and phones were down, almost everyone who worked in Tokyo was stranded deep in the city. All the hotels were booked, the roads were jammed, so hundreds of people were instantly homeless. Apple told all of their staff - Retail AND Corporate - that they could go sleep at the Apple stores. The Senior managers at the stores had been notified earlier and unbeknownst to we Jr. Managers, had gone out to stock up on food and drinks after the very first quake hit.

This was a godsend because by 11pm (118 aftershocks later) all food and drinks were sold out at every store within walking distance. And when I say walking distance, I mean 3-4 hours of walking distance. (Tokyo is a big city.)

Letting not just Retail but corporate staff sleep at the Apple stores was genius because:

1a. The corporate offices are in skyscrapers with over 50 flights of stairs. With all elevators in Japan shutdown, this was a nightmare.

1b. The Retail stores were the only areas where WE controlled the buildings, from top to bottom, so we could monitor, fix, and maintain the back-up power, networks, and heating ourselves.

1c. Ubiquitous wifi and Facetime devices gave us a lifeline to our families and the rest of the world. Facetime turned out to be MUCH more stable than Skype (And I'm a Skype fanboy!)

1d. With theater rooms and breakrooms designed for 150+ people, the Apple stores were the most comfortable places to be and to sleep. Much more comfortable than sleeping on the street on a cold March night.

2. Once staff let their families know that they were not only safe but how comfortable we were (break room refridgerators stocked with food and drink, etc), family members began asking if they could stay at the Apple stores as well. Of course Apple said yes. One business team member's stranded mother walked 3.5 hours to be with her daughter at the store. When she arrived, the Apple store staff gave her a standing ovation ("Warm Welcome") like they do for customers during a new launch.

3. The head of Apple International HR and of Japan Retail happened to be in Japan that week. Both came and spent the night with us in the stores and told everyone that if anyone wanted to try their luck getting home on their own, Apple would pay for any food, drink, or transportation fees that that person incurred on the way. "Your safety is most important."

If, on their way home the staff member realized they couldn't make it, but they found an open hotel, Apple would pay for it. Since many people lived 2-3 hours away, this ended up meaning 11 hour walks home, $300 taxi fares, and $800 hotel rooms (only the luxury hotels had vacancies). Executives from Cupertino and London Facetimed with us, letting us know not to worry, they supported us, and that they would write off on it all.

4. We continued to open our doors to stranded people on the street fixing iphones, selling battery packs, or simply teaching people how to get streaming news on their smart-phones until 3am in the morning.

And lastly, as I write this now 3 days later, even though the Japanese government says everything is fine, nuclear plants continue to explode. And we still haven't even gotten the 7pt aftershock that is predicted to come this week, nor the nuclear/acid rain that is predicted to fall within the next 3 days. I hate to say this, but things may only get worse before they get better.

I've been calling my girlfriend at work, asking her to come home, but because the Tokyo government hasn't said anything, her company won't let her leave. On the other hand, my manager at Apple called me to let me know that Apple will support any decision I make regarding leaving the country or the area, and that a job will still be waiting for me if I decide to come back.

PANIC: Tokyo Electric says may drop water by helicopter onto reactor's spent-fuel cooling pond
Courtesy of Drudge Report

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Originally posted by The Potter Are you having a laugh? The back-up power to the cooling system didn't work because the plugs didn't fit!!! You're dealing with nuclear material, the most dangerous substance on this planet, so as much brainpower, planning and cost should go into devising foolproof contingency plans, as goes into making the stuff. I think we are going to need more nuclear power in the future; however, the industry had better buck up its ideas if it wants to convince the sceptics.

I don't think that's true about the plugs.
The backup generators failed because they were only engineered to withstand a tsunami 6.5m high. The tsunami that hit was 7m.

This really surprised me. One notch below Chernobyl - I would have thought there would be MUCH more panic.

From the globe:
Japan�s nuclear crisis is equivalent to number six on the INES scale of nuclear accidents from one to seven, Kyodo news agency quoted the French Nuclear Agency as saying.

The 1986 Chernobyl disaster was a seven and Three Mile Island a five.

Plant status update....

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Originally posted by Skipper This really surprised me. One notch below Chernobyl - I would have thought there would be MUCH more panic. From the globe: Japan�s nuclear crisis is equivalent to number six on the INES scale of nuclear accidents from one to seven, Kyodo news agency quoted the French Nuclear Agency as saying. The 1986 Chernobyl disaster was a seven and Three Mile Island a five.

my guess is this has been happening for days, on and off, fire/no fire etc
Chernobyl kinda happened without any anticipation (revealed to public anyway)

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Originally posted by Skipper I don't think that's true about the plugs. The backup generators failed because they were only engineered to withstand a tsunami 6.5m high. The tsunami that hit was 7m.

Jesus...

It was the plugs from the mobile generators that they brought in to replace the damaged plant generators that weren't compatible...

Read the article that I posted...

� When the earthquakes struck, Japan�s nuclear power stations did as they were designed to do and shut down with the insertion of control rods. This halted the nuclear chain reaction that generates the power. In response the plants rapidly dropped in power to around 5% of normal.

� Other (non-uranium) constituents of the fuel remained �hot� i.e. reacting, which is normal.

� Back up power systems (diesel generators) were applied to continue to provide cooling to the reactor core. This worked as expected.

� Approximately 1 hour later, two power plants housing seven nuclear reactors were struck by a 7 metre tsunami. These plants were Fukushima Daiichi and Fukushima Daini. This disabled the diesel generators that were in use, and all other back-up generators that were available. It is this second disaster that triggered the problems at these power plants, as the plants began to experience a loss of cooling on the fuel.

� Back-up cooling from batteries was applied, and provided cooling for approximately a further 8 hours

� Other measures have then needed to be implemented as this power source ran out. This has included pumping sea-water into the reactor core. This is not a preferred action as it causes some damage.

� Some portions of the fuel rods remained exposed from the coolant for long enough to heat up and melt. This is the meaning of �partial meltdown�

� Some build up of radioactivity has occurred within the reactor buildings. This has been periodically vented in a controlled way to maintain pressure within the reactor at a safe level. The radiation being vented is of a type that is short lived, decaying rapidly to harmless substances

� The venting gas has contained hydrogen. Unfortunately, perhaps due to not venting quickly enough, the hydrogen concentrations have become elevated and resulted in explosions occurring outside of the reactor building when the venting occurred

� Presently the reactor cores are being successfully cooled and progressively moved to a state of cold shutdown, meaning fully under control.

� Critically, throughout the disaster the integrity of the very strong Containment Structures, which separate the nuclear reactor from the outside world, has been maintained. The reactor building itself then contains the core of nuclear fuel, and these reactor buildings have also remained intact. This means there has never been a risk of a �Chernobyl-type� incident, with serious releases of radioactivity to the surrounding environment that would pose a threat to human health. The Chernobyl power stations had no such structure, which greatly increased the consequences of that accident.

� The incident has received a severity rating of INES 6. It is clearly very serious. The Three Mile Island Accident was a 5. Chernobyl, however, was a 7 (the highest), and is a very different league.



Source.

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Originally posted by VDub � When the earthquakes struck, Japan�s nuclear power stations did as they were designed to do and shut down with the insertion of control rods. This halted the nuclear chain reaction that generates the power. In response the plants rapidly dropped in power to around 5% of normal. � Other (non-uranium) constituents of the fuel remained �hot� i.e. reacting, which is normal. � Back up power systems (diesel generators) were applied to continue to provide cooling to the reactor core. This worked as expected. � Approximately 1 hour later, two power plants housing seven nuclear reactors were struck by a 7 metre tsunami. These plants were Fukushima Daiichi and Fukushima Daini. This disabled the diesel generators that were in use, and all other back-up generators that were available. It is this second disaster that triggered the problems at these power plants, as the plants began to experience a loss of cooling on the fuel. � Back-up cooling from batteries was applied, and provided cooling for approximately a further 8 hours � Other measures have then needed to be implemented as this power source ran out. This has included pumping sea-water into the reactor core. This is not a preferred action as it causes some damage. � Some portions of the fuel rods remained exposed from the coolant for long enough to heat up and melt. This is the meaning of �partial meltdown� � Some build up of radioactivity has occurred within the reactor buildings. This has been periodically vented in a controlled way to maintain pressure within the reactor at a safe level. The radiation being vented is of a type that is short lived, decaying rapidly to harmless substances � The venting gas has contained hydrogen. Unfortunately, perhaps due to not venting quickly enough, the hydrogen concentrations have become elevated and resulted in explosions occurring outside of the reactor building when the venting occurred � Presently the reactor cores are being successfully cooled and progressively moved to a state of cold shutdown, meaning fully under control. � Critically, throughout the disaster the integrity of the very strong Containment Structures, which separate the nuclear reactor from the outside world, has been maintained. The reactor building itself then contains the core of nuclear fuel, and these reactor buildings have also remained intact. This means there has never been a risk of a �Chernobyl-type� incident, with serious releases of radioactivity to the surrounding environment that would pose a threat to human health. The Chernobyl power stations had no such structure, which greatly increased the consequences of that accident. � The incident has received a severity rating of INES 6. It is clearly very serious. The Three Mile Island Accident was a 5. Chernobyl, however, was a 7 (the highest), and is a very different league. Source.

what is the source to all the information from this website?

We really need to stop worrying so much about this plant and be much more concerned for the people who have lost loved ones and property..

This pictures that Jon posted are much much worse than the situation at that power plant...

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Originally posted by VDub Jesus... It was the plugs from the mobile generators that they brought in to replace the damaged plant generators that weren't compatible... Read the article that I posted...

There are a billion posts in this thread. I did not read them all.
The person that explained that to me works in the uranium industry ffs. I'm not just making it up.

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Originally posted by VDub We really need to stop worrying so much about this plant and be much more concerned for the people who have lost loved ones and property.. This pictures that Jon posted are much much worse than the situation at that power plant...

some of the information posted on this site as "facts" is falsified. Where is the source to all the information on it? there are numerous reports of massive radiation levels increase within hundreds of miles from the plant. Radiation does not just evaporate within a couple of days.

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Originally posted by geroin what is the source to all the information from this website?

He lists them Gera...

I don't have time to search...

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Originally posted by VDub He lists them Gera... I don't have time to search...

I could not find anything.

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"The bottom line of the events at Fukushima and the nuclear power sector more broadly would appear to be as follows: � Zero deaths from radiation � Zero release of radiation levels of a danger to human health, except for brief periods for those working within the plant compound (not Public exposure). These workers would be well protected and monitored to avoid excessive accumulated doses � Minimal injuries (about a dozen) as a result of the hydrogen explosions � No significant or lasting environmental impact whatsoever � A major evacuation, which has no doubt been distressing for all involved"

this is false information as it is impossible to tell at this time the severity of the radiation and the levels of it in the atmosphere and environment in general + the long term effects to human health for people in the region close to the plant and surrounding areas.

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Originally posted by geroin some of the information posted on this site as "facts" is falsified. Where is the source to all the information on it? there are numerous reports of massive radiation levels increase within hundreds of miles from the plant. Radiation does not just evaporate within a couple of days.

No it doesn't evaporate. But it does break down...

Some types faster than others...

And how do you know that facts are falsified???

Because the media says that Japan is on the verge of nuclear apocalypse??

isn't he making educated conclusions, based on his background and work? I found his report interesting - definitely more calm and level-headed then most of the info out there

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