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You apparently don't understand the concept of self defense.

Also knock off the cracks about my fianc�. They're annoying and tired.


And your assumption is also seeming to be that Zimmerman killed him because he was black, not because he was being pummeled senseless.

You don't understand that Zimmerman put himself into a situation where he knew there would most likely be an engagement or altercation of some kind between him and Martin.

Also, as far as race goes, do you think that Martin would have been acquitted of charges had he stood his ground and Zimmerman attacked him? Both had a legal right to be in that neighborhood, out on the streets. The question is who started the initial altercation. Everything points to Zimmerman, even by his own admission.

I don't want to focus on race though, thats a stupid move to make in the south. It is racist, especially Florida, and there is racial tension between Hispanics and blacks too. As a prosecutor it's dumb as fuck to try and play the race card down there. Where the fuck did they go to law school? Playing the race card was another grandstanding gesture by a prosecutor or the DA to get attention for themselves. It was a miscarriage of justice in my opinion and sometimes its a damn shame that you can't sue for bad state prosecutorial practice.

*focuses entirely on race*

"I don't want to focus on race though"

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Originally posted by srussell0018 *focuses entirely on race* "I don't want to focus on race though"

Actually that is the first time I have brought up race in this thread.

And by not focusing on it, I mean I think its pointless and I gave a reason why its pointless to focus on. The prosecutors were NOT smart people in understanding their jury pool, especially consider it was all females.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby You don't understand that Zimmerman put himself into a situation where he knew there would most likely be an engagement or altercation of some kind between him and Martin.

But why? This fact alone means nothing, especially if there's no intent. He could have been gun ho about keeping the neighborhood safe. When you call the police, they don't necessarily come immediately. It could be 30 min to an hour, or more.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 And your assumption is also seeming to be that Zimmerman killed him because he was black, not because he was being pummeled senseless.

ironic that Zimmerman can stand his grand but the black kid can't. There was no risk of death from his punches. Upping the anti to a firearm would be unnecessary force in any other country.

You can beat someone to death. Especially if you're slamming their head into concrete.

any sane nation would see the physical attack as provocated self defence which perhaps might be contested and charged as assault if he went over what would constitute self defence. Approaching someone with a gun without declaring your intentions , what you are caring as a weapon and what you plan to do is just on another fucking level. THe fact that there are laws that make this ok is just asinine.

you are just one of those annoying sophist assholes that argue for the sake of arguing without a care as to what is obviously just. Not sure why you have to be right. It really isn't a virtue.

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Originally posted by Beatflux But why? This fact alone means nothing, especially if there's no intent. He could have been gun ho about keeping the neighborhood safe. When you call the police, they don't necessarily come immediately. It could be 30 min to an hour, or more.

So? Zimmerman is not a cop, he is not part of any law enforcement organization. It is not up to him to try and administer the application of the law at all.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 You can beat someone to death. Especially if you're slamming their head into concrete.

Look, the constant feud of the alpha males is pretty much a constant in nature. We are designed to take a few punches, we do not deal well with bullets however. We're not supposed to kill each other on our own devices because it's against our cooperative nature, which is the very thing that makes us so successful. Whether someone needs to be alive or dead is not for an individual to decide, hence why we don't allow it. The early afromerican gangs used to just settle disputes with old fashioned fisticuffs and people just didn't die as much.
Around the world there's hooligans that live for the brawl, it happens all the time. It's a wonderful thing really, give in to those raging hormones and walk away bruised but most likely with a whole life ahead of you. And when someone does die it's at least possibly the result of an accident. You gave too much, you deal with the consequences. Ugly, but there ya go.

Guns just spoil the concept, they break the rules. Sometimes favourably, especially when tied to institutionalization and rules, like an armed police force for instance.
When you ignore these precedents however it's likely going to be bad.

You have a brain to avoid getting into these situations in the first place, legs to run away if you can't, and then survival instinct to keep you going when things get really fucking bad. When you bring a gun you have lost all right to claim any sympathy. Self-defence? Bollocks, you're doing it wrong. You play the lone wolf, don't account for your own mistakes and don't take the necessary steps to avoid it ending in tragedy. At best a huge gamble and at worst a very fucking grave mistake. Is it not reasonable for this guy to take responsibility for his mistake?

And by the way. The crux in this matter is, of course, that if you deem the shooties as a necessary means in this case, and think it's all fine and dandy. Then I'll take it you're making a case for civilians simply not being capable of taking this responsibility upon themselves. A solid yee-haw for gun control.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 He looks like a big teddy bear to me. I love the image name too. "Zimmerman juror says she wouldn't mind if he were on her neighborhood watch."

You are such a sucker, lol.

That is Zimmerman with, wait for it: an extra 100lbs of bodyweight, specifically designed to make middle-aged females with kids believe he is out of shape and never could have come across as scary or a match in a fight with tall black and gangster

And I hate to tell you this but the sanford police department, from the night of the attack, lists Zimmerman as being measured at 5'9" and 200.

The medical examiners report on Trayvon?

5'11" and 158lbs.

Yes, a whole staggering 2" taller and 40lbs less in weight.

Now what have you got?

He's not the 6'2" african behemoth you so want him to be.
It's amazing how badly your prejudice gets in the way of facts.

You're also completely sidestepping very valid points from both Richie and Nou about the fact that for some reason, Trayvon was not allowed to stand his ground yet Zimmerman was.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 You can beat someone to death. Especially if you're slamming their head into concrete.

Who said Trayvon was doing that? Oh Zimmerman? Because they did not find a single drop of zimmerman's blood on the sidewalk, only on Trayvons hands. Quite amazing that Trayvon stopped to clean up all of Zimmermans blood "from bashing his head on the pavement" during a fight and before being fatally shot. And yes, the Sandford polise looked as that was Zimmerman's initial statement at point of arrest. CSI miami just couldn't find it. Go figure?

it is staggering that the kid is held to higher standards of responsibility than the adult who was warned and really went out of his way to make this happen.

Anyways, like his brother mentioned, he is a marked man and he will be killed. There is no way he is living the next year without going into protective custody. I mean he is fucked. Its just unfortunate that he wasn't fucked anally for a few months before succumbing to a nice rusty shive infection. Is there any betting on how long he will live ? I say 6 months.

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Originally posted by kamil What's the next story the media is going to masturbate to?

Looks like it doesnt matter for people on TA.

bet he gets an agent and joins a reality tv show. Its really the only thing he can do to stay alive. Make enough money to have security 24/7.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Who said Trayvon was doing that? Oh Zimmerman? Because they did not find a single drop of zimmerman's blood on the sidewalk, only on Trayvons hands. Quite amazing that Trayvon stopped to clean up all of Zimmermans blood "from bashing his head on the pavement" during a fight and before being fatally shot. And yes, the Sandford polise looked as that was Zimmerman's initial statement at point of arrest. CSI miami just couldn't find it. Go figure?

No blood on the sidewalk yet multiple wounds on the back of his head? Perhaps he was attacked from behind?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney bet he gets an agent and joins a reality tv show. Its really the only thing he can do to stay alive. Make enough money to have security 24/7.

yeah, I was talking with someone who was saying how Zimmerman is going to get rich off this but whatever he makes will just go to keeping him alive. In a way two lives were ruined in that he will never be free and will live in a hellish way.

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Originally posted by Syntonic

uncle tom

Lol don't follow. Am I being audited?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You are such a sucker, lol. That is Zimmerman with, wait for it: an extra 100lbs of bodyweight, specifically designed to make middle-aged females with kids believe he is out of shape and never could have come across as scary or a match in a fight with tall black and gangster And I hate to tell you this but the sanford police department, from the night of the attack, lists Zimmerman as being measured at 5'9" and 200. The medical examiners report on Trayvon? 5'11" and 158lbs. Yes, a whole staggering 2" taller and 40lbs less in weight. Now what have you got? He's not the 6'2" african behemoth you so want him to be. It's amazing how badly your prejudice gets in the way of facts. You're also completely sidestepping very valid points from both Richie and Nou about the fact that for some reason, Trayvon was not allowed to stand his ground yet Zimmerman was.

you keep forgeting that trayvon made the choice to turn around and look for zimmerman. or was that not proven?

Woah, wait! You mean to tell me height in America doesn't fluctuate?

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Schwarzenegger's official height of 6'2" (1.88 m) has been brought into question by several articles. In his bodybuilding days in the late 1960s, he was measured to be 6'1.5" (1.87 m), a height confirmed by his fellow bodybuilders.[138][139] However, in 1988 both the Daily Mail and Time Out magazine mentioned that Schwarzenegger appeared noticeably shorter.[140] Prior to running for Governor, Schwarzenegger's height was once again questioned in an article by the Chicago Reader.[141] As Governor, Schwarzenegger engaged in a light-hearted exchange with Assemblyman Herb Wesson over their heights. At one point, Wesson made an unsuccessful attempt to, in his own words, "settle this once and for all and find out how tall he is" by using a tailor's tape measure on the Governor.[142] Schwarzenegger retaliated by placing a pillow stitched with the words "Need a lift?" on the five-foot-five inch (165 cm) Wesson's chair before a negotiating session in his office.[143] Bob Mulholland also claimed Schwarzenegger was 5'10" (1.78 m) and that he wore risers in his boots.[144] The debate on Schwarzenegger's height has spawned a website solely dedicated to the issue,[145] and his page remains one of the most active on CelebHeights.com, a website which discusses the heights of celebrities.[138] Men's Health magazine has estimated his height at 5'10

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnol...zenegger#Height

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Originally posted by crazituna you keep forgeting that trayvon made the choice to turn around and look for zimmerman. or was that not proven?

Again, like I said, had both survived, both would be charged with a crime. No one is saying Martin was entirely innocent in this situation (and if they are, they are stupid).

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Originally posted by crazituna you keep forgeting that trayvon made the choice to turn around and look for zimmerman. or was that not proven?

No, there were no witnesses so it has never been proven.

But are you telling me that if some guy 10 years older than you is curb crawling you (as zimmerman admitted) you're not going to look in their direction?

I would want to know who is following me in a car at night when I'm walking in my neighbourhood.

@Lang - Schwarzenegger has been in the public eye for 40 years and of course, being an action star his physique is of consequence for his image.

In this case however, the need to bullshit about Trayvon being Blackzilla and Zimmerman being this rotund midget served a purpose to get scared white people (like Srussell) on his side.

So again, just so everyone knows:

Martin 5'11" and 158lbs (official and exact coroner measurements)

Zimmerman 5'9" and 200lbs (height actually measured during mugshot, weight approximated - Sanford Police Dept on night of attack)

If anything that puts Trayvon underweight and in terms of size you'd give the fight to Zimmerman, especially being 10 years older and stocky. I think that's exactly what was going through Zimmerman's mind - I can take this punk, until he got whooped by Trayvon and pulled the gun.

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