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Originally posted by XaNaX STFU truther jackass I have discredited every claim you have made recently in this thread and exposed every post you have made as being full of lies, half-truths, and false "evidence". Stop trolling this thread until you can answer the following (I'm now asking for the 6th or 7th time): 1. If Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon what did? Please back your claim up with actual real evidence not more questions. 2. If Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon where is the plane, its crew, and all its passengers? Please back your claim up with real hard evidence.

Heh, 'simpleton'. You aren't very smart yourself, are you?

I'm entirely open to being wrong, you shithead; if you actually feel able to judge someone based on their opinion and interpretations of proof on one subject, then you have a lot to learn about being a normal fucking human. The term is ignorant, and you fit it to a 'T'. I don't need a list to tell me that.

You might try calming down a shade too. This is the internet.
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Eyewitness testimony, gleaned from official Pentagon eyewitness accounts.


Scott P. Cook, fifth floor of the Portals building, at 1280 Maryland Avenue SW, Washington DC, the southernmost building at the end of 14th Street, right at the Tidal Basin and Maine Avenue

"We didn�t know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it had hit. Later, we were told that it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon. I cannot fathom why neither myself nor Ray, a former Air Force officer, missed a big 757, going 400 miles an hour, as it crossed in front of our window in its last 10 seconds of flight. ... As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion, we saw an odd sight that no one else has yet commented on. Directly in back of the plume, which would place it almost due west from our office, a four-engine propeller plane, which Ray later said resembled a C-130, started a steep decent towards the Pentagon. It was coming from an odd direction (planes don�t go east-west in the area), and it was descending at a much steeper angle than most aircraft. Trailing a thin, diffuse black trail from its engines, the plane reached the Pentagon at a low altitude and made a sharp left turn, passing just north of the plume, and headed straight for the White House. All the while, I was sort of talking at it: "Who the hell are you? Where are you going? You�re not headed for downtown!" Ray and Verle watched it with me, and I was convinced it was another attack. But right over the tidal basin, at an altitude of less than 1000 feet, it made another sharp left turn to the north and climbed rapidly. Soon it was gone, leaving only the thin black trail

Michael DiPaula, walking outside to a construction trailer

"It sounded like a missile," DiPaula recalls. "There were three loud thump, thump, thumps. You could hear the metal cracking and crinkling, and the explosion."

Allen Cleveland --
"Soon after the crash (Within 30 seconds of the crash) I witnessed a military cargo plane (Possibly a C130) fly over the crash site and circle the mushroom cloud. My brother inlaw also witnessed the same plane following the jet while he was on the HOV lanes in Springfield. He said that he saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary RD in Springfield, VA. and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying right behind it."

Kenneth McClellan --
"A C-130 cargo plane had departed Andrews Air Force Base en route to Minnesota that morning and reported seeing an airliner heading into Washington 'at an unusual angle,' said Lt. Col. Kenneth McClellan, a Pentagon spokesman. Air-traffic control officials instructed the propeller-powered cargo plane 'to let us know where it's going,' McClellan said. The C-130 pilot 'followed the aircraft and reported it was heading into the Pentagon,' he said.:

John O'Keefe --
"Then the plane -- it looked like a C-130 cargo plane -- started turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround."

Phillip Thompson -- observed from 1-395 HOV lanes, directly across from the Navy Annex
"Then a gray C-130 flew overhead, setting off a new round of panic. I tried to reassure people that the plane was not a threat. All around me people began to panic, fleeing for their lives."


Keith Wheelhouse --
"The second plane looked similar to a C- 130 transport plane, he said. He believes it flew directly above the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon."

Joel Sucherman --
"Within a minute another plane started veering up and to the side. At that point it wasn't clear if that plane was trying to manouver out of the air space or if that plane was coming round for another hit."

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Who actually uses 'STFU' in an argument? That's hilarious....ly lame.

so, instead of posting ambiguous bollocks (i especially like your inclusion of the missile quote (as if Michael DiPaula is an expert on US missile systems :rolleyes but i want a thesis.

what exactly do you believe the C-130 was in the area doing? what was its role in 9/11?

http://911research.wtc7.net/

this a great page.

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Honestly, Xanax, you're a pretty annoying person. I'd hate to be trapped in a seat beside you in the 757 to Hell.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Heh, 'simpleton'. You aren't very smart yourself, are you? I'm entirely open to being wrong, you shithead; if you actually feel able to judge someone based on their opinion and interpretations of proof on one subject, then you have a lot to learn about being a normal fucking human. The term is ignorant, and you fit it to a 'T'. I don't need a list to tell me that. You might try calming down a shade too. This is the internet. ___________

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so, instead of posting ambiguous bollocks (i especially like your inclusion of the missile quote (as if Michael DiPaula is an expert on US missile systems :rolleyes but i want a thesis. what exactly do you believe the C-130 was in the area doing? what was its role in 9/11?

Yeah, I had to. I suppose I could have suggested a grain of salt alongside.

Evem if I'm wrong it doesn't matter, that's what you guys don't understand. Just because I don't have the air-tight case against the government doesn't mean they aren't guilty fucks.

I really don't know what happened on 9-11. None of us do. What I can't believe is that some people can't at least acknowledge that something quite shady transpired on that day. When you investigate a murder, motive is a primary issue. Who would have benefited from such an act? A pissed off, and piss poor region in the Middle East? Or the oil hungry war machine that's walking around in their back yard with a permanent military operation. Obviously Al Qaeda took credit for the bombings, though initially bin Laden denied the allegations*. It was quite politically advantageous for them, no? I'm pretty sick of going in circles in this thread.

There is sufficient evidence and enough lies to fool most people, and the idea that they would perpetrate against their own people so horrendous that it's near impossible for everyone to take anything but the official story. The official story of the WTC collapse is absurd.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but not questioning important events that will shape our of future [such as this] is much, much worse.

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Source: Khilafah.com, 10 Oct 2001

The Al-Qaidah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the USA, according to Usama bin Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat. Usama bin Ladin went on to suggest that Jews or US secret services were behind the attacks, and to express gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging Pakistan’s people to jihad against the West. The following is the text of an interview conducted by a "special correspondent", published in the Pakistani newspaper Ummat on 28 September, place and date of interview not given.

UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either ruler[s or enemies of Muslims.

Like, holy shit, I have better things to do in my life than research the government's role in 9-11. I've got a job and a girlfriend, and last I checked I'm Canadian. Good luck with your shiny new Patriot Act and NSA wiretaps. The Government's your friend, hey Xanax?

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Yeah, I had to. I suppose I could have suggested a grain of salt alongside.

or you could avoid going out of your way to say something yet pretend that you dont really mean it. a way of muddying the waters if you will.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Evem if I'm wrong it doesn't matter, that's what you guys don't understand. Just because I don't have the air-tight case against the government doesn't mean they aren't guilty fucks.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.


its ridiculous. either there is evidence that supports a particular hypothesis or there isn't.

you've spent several pages here arguing, yet you still dont have a coherent thesis.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I really don't know what happened on 9-11. None of us do. What I can't believe is that some people can't at least acknowledge that something quite shady transpired on that day. When you investigate a murder, motive is a primary issue. Who would have benefited from such an act? A pissed off, and piss poor region in the Middle East? Or the oil hungry war machine that's walking around in their back yard with a permanent military operation. Obviously Al Qaeda took credit for the bombings, though initially bin Laden denied the allegations*. It was quite politically advantageous for them, no? I'm pretty sick of going in circles in this thread. There is sufficient evidence and enough lies to fool most people, and the idea that they would perpetrate against their own people so horrendous that it's near impossible for everyone to take anything but the official story. The official story of the WTC collapse is absurd. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but not questioning important events that will shape our of future [such as this] is much, much worse.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.


its really that simple. you put far too much stock in crazy ideas that don't make any sense that have been examined and debunked by far more compelling arguments, evidence and levels of expertise.

there's not even a real debate. and as you have just displayed, nobody has a coherent story that makes any sense. none.

creationists = holocaust deniers = 9/11 truthers. same MO, same techniques.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} *edit ______ Source: Khilafah.com, 10 Oct 2001 The Al-Qaidah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the USA, according to Usama bin Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat. Usama bin Ladin went on to suggest that Jews or US secret services were behind the attacks, and to express gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging Pakistan’s people to jihad against the West. The following is the text of an interview conducted by a "special correspondent", published in the Pakistani newspaper Ummat on 28 September, place and date of interview not given. UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be? USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf). I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either ruler[s or enemies of Muslims.

see, this an example of you not being able to tell good evidence from bad. you fail to appreciate the political context (and i dont mean "fail" in the really shitty internet fad way )

osama is a guest of the taliban in afghanistan. he is reasonably entrenched and has a fair amount of power, but he isn't about to go getting himself kicked out of the country by his host if he could avoid it. the taliban, rightfully fearing US reprisal, got osama to say that. by the time osama had fled the country he was more than open about it.

its that simple.

9/11 conspiracies dont make any sense.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Like, holy shit, I have better things to do in my life than research the government's role in 9-11. I've got a job and a girlfriend, and last I checked I'm Canadian. Good luck with your shiny new Patriot Act and NSA wiretaps. The Government's your friend, hey Xanax?

Even though it took pages of pointless postings to get here it is nice to see you finally admit that you have absolutely no credible evidence to support any of your 9/11 conspiracy theories. I'll give you credit for that, you are the first truther on here to do so.

And no, the government is far from your friend, but they are not responsible for 9/11 either.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Even though it took pages of pointless postings to get here it is nice to see you finally admit that you have absolutely no credible evidence to support any of your 9/11 conspiracy theories. I'll give you credit for that, you are the first truther on here to do so. And no, the government is far from your friend, but they are not responsible for 9/11 either.

Eh, if I had been really, really interested in putting together a thesis, and marginalizing my information, cross referencing and editing, I would have. But I can look at a page like http://911research.wtc7.net/ and so can the rest of you. Debating this on a forum, sporadically at that, is no way to actually discuss what happened. There are clear signs of demolition, and I won't be swayed from that. However, I will no longer carry its argument in this forum: I'm sick of people questioning my intelligence. To me, this topic is dead.

later.

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-eye witness testimony that an american airlines jet crashed into the pentagon; hundreds of witnesses that saw a plane crash into the pentagon Where are the eyewitnesses? A large number of people saw another plane also flying over the Pentagon at the exact moment. No one can prove the exact flight it was from the ground idiot. -bodies from those that were known to have flown on flight 77 matched via DNA Matched to DNA when they killed the passengers somewhere else or simply fabricated. Who cares I want you to show me where Flight 77 is. -flight 77 nor its passengers have turned up elsewhere We are all aware of this, It definitely did not show up at the Pentagon or in the official video released. -american airlines never reported any other of its passenger jets missing Who said it was another American Airline plane that did crash into the Pentagon? What happened to Flight 77 is the question moron. -multiple pieces of wreakage consistent with a 757 found on site None have ever been directly matched to the Flight 77, post the links up please and back up these claims. -relatives of those who died on flight 77 saying their loved ones had called them and said their plane had been hijacked by terrorists with knives and box cutters. Does not prove Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. Show us 100% concrete proof. If Flight 77 crashed there where is it? End of.

http://www.thepentacon.com/

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Originally posted by culorut http://www.thepentacon.com/

That's a sick site, thanks for the link.

nice to see you quit when things got too hard for you {b.s.e.}. you have an unshakeable belief in controlled demolition but without a hypothesis for how it happened. basically you worked out what you think happened, and then went in search of evidence to support that fact.

not dissimilar from how you approached the jesus is the sun conspiracy theory.

good work champ. your commitment to research and critical thought is amazing.

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Originally posted by culorut

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} That's a sick site, thanks for the link.

The best one out there regarding what happened at the Pentagon to my knowledge.

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3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

You obviously have not been able to find any information backing up the statements you made earlier. Maybe you should be looking at what you have posted and answer some questions.

Where is Flight 77 if it is not present in the "official" video released?

Some documents, links or videos actually showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon would be a good start instead of pasting garbage from some "anti-truther" websites.....LOL.

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Originally posted by culorut You obviously have not been able to find any information backing up the statements you made earlier. Maybe you should be looking at what you have posted and answer some questions. Where is Flight 77 if it is not present in the "official" video released? Some documents, links or videos actually showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon would be a good start instead of pasting garbage from some "anti-truther" websites.....LOL.

As I have already stated: there are hundreds of witnesses that saw an american airlines plane crash into the pentagon. And the bodies of those from flight 77 were discovered in the debris. If you think something other than flight 77 hit the pentagon, the onus is actually on YOU to provide it. Prove it wasn't flight 77 arseclown.




10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

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Originally posted by culorut The best one out there regarding what happened at the Pentagon to my knowledge.

So what exactly is this site claiming happened at the Pentagon? The webfilter here at work blocks videos from tinfoil hat wearing fucktards so I cant watch that, but I've read all of the text on the web site and nowhere did I see any mention of what they think actually happened. I did get a kick out of this in their mission statement:

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We patently reject hypotheses that can not be proven and therefore deliberately refuse �no plane theories� or anything based on the use of unknown or �exotic weaponry� as much as we reject the official conspiracy theory.

lol so how does it feel no-planer to even have these wackjobs thinking you are an idiot?

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Originally posted by culorut http://www.thepentacon.com/

lol you douchebag truthers crack me up. Not a single one of you has any evidence to back up any alternate theories of what happened at the Pentagon but at least you do a good job of exposing each other. This nutjob truther web site did a complete and total debunking of the Pentacon because the Pentacon doesn't agree with their own conspiracy theory. I'll post both the abstract and the full link:

Even the tinfoil hat wearers can prove the Pentacon is a joke

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A Critical Review of �The PentaCon - Smoking Gun Version� Pentagon Flyover or �Left/Right� Straw-man Argument? Abstract: The purpose of this review is to examine the claims made in the film the PentaCon.The eyewitness statements in the PentaCon will be examined and compared with other testimony based on my original research.Although this analysis is primarily an examination of the eyewitness statements in the film, some issues pertaining to the physical evidence will also be briefly examined. It will be shown that although the eyewitness statements in the PentaCon are largely corroborated by other testimony, the conclusions of the PentaCon are not supported by their own�or any other credible eyewitness testimony. The PentaCon � Smoking Gun Version[2] The film begins with two scenarios and accompanying visuals: 1. The PentaCon Hypothesis A commercial plane approaches the Pentagon from NORTH of the CITGO gas station on 9/11, and then flies over it. 2. The �Official Story� A commercial plane approaches from SOUTH of the CITGO gas station on 9/11, knocks over light poles, hits a generator, and crashes into the bottom floors of the Pentagon. The first scenario would imply that the Pentagon attack was staged; lamp pole damage was faked, damage to the generator was faked, explosives were used to fake the hole damage (speculation by the PentaCon), the plane flew over the Pentagon, and that plane debris was planted.All of these claims will be examined. The PentaCon claims that four eyewitness statements are �smoking gun proof� that the entire official story is a �farce.� The Flight 77 NSTB report study by Pilots for 9/11 Truth is briefly mentioned and deserves separate study by 9/11 researchers.[3] The film tries to make the case that four eyewitness statements are enough evidence to counter all other physical evidence (and implicitly, all other contradictory eyewitness statements).One of the main defects of the PentaCon is that it only considers four eyewitness statements�ignoring a very large body of eyewitness statements and previous research into the testimony.[4] Why is this significant?�Citing only evidence that is favorable to one side as if no contrary evidence exists is known as SPECIAL PLEADING.�[5] �Special Pleading is a fallacy in which a person applies standards, principles, rules, etc. to others while taking herself (or those she has a special interest in) to be exempt, without providing adequate justification for the exemption. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form: Person A accepts standard(s) S and applies them to others in circumtance(s) C. Person A is in circumstance(s) C. Therefore A is exempt from S.�[6] Typically, special pleading is used in studies of the Pentagon Eyewitness testimony to claim that a few statements are more relevant or important than the rest of the eyewitness testimony combined.Special pleading is not only used to ignore other evidence; it can be used to take certain portions of one statement from a witness as being true, while ignoring all contradictory evidence by the same and other witnesses.The most famous example of this practice is seen in this Pentagon eyewitness quotation taken out of context: �It was like a cruise missile with wings.�[7] Quoting this statement to give the impression that this witness saw a missile is special pleading because it ignores the full context of the statement: �I saw this plane, this jet, an American airlines jet, coming. And I thought, �This doesn�t add up, it�s really low.� And I saw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings.�[8]

please get back to us when all you tinfoil hat wearing assclowns get your stories straight

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Originally posted by culorut http://www.thepentacon.com/

z0mg!! clearly teh airbus a380 did it!!!11o1neoneeleventyoneszzz

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ z0mg!! clearly teh airbus a380 did it!!!11o1neoneeleventyoneszzz

LOL, clearly that is Flight 77!

What is even more funny are those which agree that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon yet there is no plane that even resembles Flight 77 in the actual video.

Tinfoil hats belong to those who cannot look at the most straight forward and simple facts, in this case it is the ones who believe the official fairy tale story.

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Originally posted by culorut LOL, clearly that is Flight 77! What is even more funny are those which agree that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon yet there is no plane that even resembles Flight 77 in the actual video. Tinfoil hats belong to those who cannot look at the most straight forward and simple facts, in this case it is the ones who believe the official fairy tale story.

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Originally posted by culorut LOL, clearly that is Flight 77! What is even more funny are those which agree that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon yet there is no plane that even resembles Flight 77 in the actual video. Tinfoil hats belong to those who cannot look at the most straight forward and simple facts, in this case it is the ones who believe the official fairy tale story.

I've got to hand it to you, just when I think your posts can't get any more ridiculous and I think we have seen the apex of your stupidity you step right up to the plate and go above and beyond again.

No comment at all about your pentacon site being ridiculed and exposed as complete and total crap by fellow tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory nutjobs?

And again no evidence to show where Flight 77, its crew, and its passengers are if they didn't crash into the Pentagon.

And surprise, surprise, you still cannot post a viable theory of what "actually" happened at the Pentagon (supported by evidence of course) if it wasn't Flight 77 that hit it.

Do yourself a favor and stop posting in this thread, you come off as a bigger jackass every time you do.

I guess you still cannot find Flight 77 in the video then....

Nice try, but back up your claims and stop trolling. If Flight 77 hit the Pentagon then the most logical and simple thing to do is to look at the video and see that there is no Flight 77 there at all.

Hot air does not win arguments, like I said back up what you believe in with actual facts, anyone can say others are crazy but until you prove the reality of it wrong with real solid 100% concrete proof you are being the actual clown.

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Originally posted by culorut I guess you still cannot find Flight 77 in the video then.... Nice try, but back up your claims and stop trolling. If Flight 77 hit the Pentagon then the most logical and simple thing to do is to look at the video and see that there is no Flight 77 there at all. Hot air does not win arguments, like I said back up what you believe in with actual facts, anyone can say others are crazy but until you prove the reality of it wrong with real solid 100% concrete proof you are being the actual clown.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one sees it, is it a conspiracy too? dumbass....

I can't believe I'm posting a reply in this thread, but has anyone asked the questions:

1) What is the frame rate of the video in question (looks like 1 frame per 2-3 seconds or so if I had to sport a guess).

2) How fast is the plane going? 400mph perhaps? 500? (FYI, cruising speed on a Boeing 757 is 530MPH).

3) Do the math--you're not likely to catch much of anything in that field of view with a crappy framerate like that. Doing some basic math--at a framerate of 1 frame every 3 seconds, a plane going 400MPH would travel roughly 1800 feet in between shots. How wide is the field of view on the camera? How big is the Penthouse lawn? A football field is a whopping 300 feet from end to end. Therefore, the plane could feasibly travel the length of 6 football fields between camera shots.

Think about it.

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If a tree falls in the forest and no one sees it, is it a conspiracy too? dumbass....

If Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon then where the hell is it? Conspiracy? Absolutely, dumbass.

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