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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} heh, yet you failed to mention it even once while bickering over semantics.

wrong. you would actually know otherwise if you had bothered to read this thread (and all the others). i have mentioned it multiple times. but i wouldnt expect some zeitgeist-swallowing halfwit to understand it anyway.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} It's an interesting factor added to the equation, granted. It doesn't account for the blatant demolition drop of WTC7. The tankers exploded, but they cannot attribute the collapse to merely fuel. Watch the video from the link I provided. That bitch burned, but her guts were busted open before she collapsed. It is as simple as that.

im still waiting for you to provide any evidence of any foul play re WTC7. keep pissing into the wind champ.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} it's a shame i had to be the one to answer you and I'm sure you won't be phased. Seig heil, bud. you'll never understand. I'm o.k. with that. You know? It's pretty unnerving to think that people are actually this dumb and mislead. At least you know Goehring is getting a laugh.

yeah, having critical thinking skills makes me a nazi. i suppose the thousands of investigators are all nazis as well. lucky we have internet detectives like yourself that are capable of watching a few youtube videos to draw insightful conclusions and spread the word of truth for us all. whatever would we do without you?

This thread is still going? If i piled all the worthless crap that culrout has copied and pasted from the intarweb, i could fertilize saskatchewan.


seriously just give it up, no one has offered any NEW AND COMPELLING evidence and the truthers have yet to produce a credible anti thesis for the FEMA report.


So until the ASCE journal publishes one of Jones' half brained theories, i say case closed.

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[b]Originally posted by colonelcrisp

Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11?

Yes 190 60.70%

No 123 39.30%


Talk is cheap, the numbers speak for themselves. In fact you and PKC sound more and more pathetic as you continue to undermine the subject with personal attacks. If you actually had a serious argument going on then maybe what you feel to be the truth about 9/11 would just maybe stand a chance.

Sorry for shitting on you but you guys completely deserve it. Well I am not really sorry but fuk it.

Picture removed: That pic was completely uncalled for. If you want to keep playing, focus on arguments, not on nasty mockery.

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Originally posted by culorut Yes 190 60.70% No 123 39.30% Talk is cheap, the numbers speak for themselves.

There is still an embarrassing percentage of people in the civilized world that have an incorrect view of the planetary orbits (the sun revolving around the Earth) which I've always assumed is learned alongside multiplication and division in grade school. It's a bit offensive, yes. Now, as for the general public being educated in structural engineering, well, that's asking a bit much to rely on a public forum poll.

Also remember, this is tranceaddict. A decent percentage (about 60% i would say) of people are probably on drugs, and you know how paranoid those can make you. You believe any nonsense when you are on drugs, especially this kind of nonsense.

hahahha. i honestly cant believe that he keeps trotting out the TA poll as if it actually means something. it really does boggle my mind. of course he never studied quantitative research methods like some of us

finally, the truth movement is dying. many of their sites are begging for 'survival' money, their joke of a 'journal' has stopped accepting new material, there is no second investigation, not a single 'government agent' has been charged with anything related to those false flags, they can't get anybody to their daft rallies, and nobody that actually matters is listening to them.

the creator of the architects & engineers truther site (richard gage) was forced to remove the 'american institute of architects' (i think thats its name) symbol and branding from his website. haha, he names his site after architects and not a single respected organisation wants to be associated with him

steven jones got an opinionated letter 'published' in an online vanity journal, for which he paid at least $600US for which wasn't even peer reviewed, and even then it said absolutely nothing of merit or scientific validity.

for every idiotic celebrity they claim to have, there are entire professions that show them utter disrespect.

of course there will be people wasting their time with it like poor old cretinrot here, but i think you'll find many truthers have given up on the whole 'movement' ha and are focusing on more important things.

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Originally posted by culorut Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? Yes 190 60.70% No 123 39.30% Talk is cheap, the numbers speak for themselves. In fact you and PKC sound more and more pathetic as you continue to undermine the subject with personal attacks. If you actually had a serious argument going on then maybe what you feel to be the truth about 9/11 would just maybe stand a chance. Sorry for shitting on you but you guys completely deserve it. Well I am not really sorry but fuk it. Picture removed: That pic was completely uncalled for. If you want to keep playing, focus on arguments, not on nasty mockery.

LOL, I wouldn't use a poll on a trance music website to support your argument...Just a little advice...

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Originally posted by Krypton LOL, I wouldn't use a poll on a trance music website to support your argument...Just a little advice...

Vox populi, vox dei, dude, and THE MAJORITY HAS SPOKEN!!!

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Originally posted by Krypton LOL, I wouldn't use a poll on a trance music website to support your argument...Just a little advice...

Well show me a poll that shows otherwise, every last one I have seen has not sided with the official story what so ever.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Also remember, this is tranceaddict. A decent percentage (about 60% i would say) of people are probably on drugs, and you know how paranoid those can make you. You believe any nonsense when you are on drugs, especially this kind of nonsense.

I find this amusing because if the official story was good enough to begin with there would not be millions of people around the globe (not just on tranceaddict) questioning it.

If a large percentage of people are on drugs like you claim they would of chosen the official story because it is the one full of nonsense.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit There is still an embarrassing percentage of people in the civilized world that have an incorrect view of the planetary orbits (the sun revolving around the Earth) which I've always assumed is learned alongside multiplication and division in grade school. It's a bit offensive, yes. Now, as for the general public being educated in structural engineering, well, that's asking a bit much to rely on a public forum poll.

Ones who have an incorrect view of the planetary orbits would never make it to the internet so we can rule out them voting on any poll any where period.

Being educated in structural engineering does help but it is not needed to see right through the official story. Although some self proclaimed engineers around here (colonel) is becoming more of a troll then PKC.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN

You and colonel sound like 8 year olds, downplaying and making personal attacks on people on the internet (very original).

It has been like what a billion pages now in this thread and with every letter you two type you are discrediting your cause and making yourselves look like a-holes.

You remind me of when I played road hockey as child and the kids we gave a beating to would bitch and whine all the way home with every excuse in the world.

Guess what they still lost and are still bitchy whiny losers.

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Originally posted by culorut Guess what they still lost and are still bitchy whiny losers.

so, what exactly has the truth movement "won" in your time championing the cause? since we're losers you must be the winners, so what has been achieved champ?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so, what exactly has the truth movement "won" in your time championing the cause? since we're losers you must be the winners, so what has been achieved champ?

You see this post like practically all of the others you have made sums you up quite nicely.

There is nothing to win, especially in a discussion forum which mainly is focused primarily on music. You decided to engage in a topic posted and began trashing people specifically not a "truth movement", including whether or not they were present on this forum.


You have not backed up anything aside from posting what most who have read up on 9/11 already know. Muttering insults into cyberspace does not make you an expert on the matter either. If you feel it does get your head checked immediately, insults, rumors and mis-information posted from shady websites are not facts.

If anything has been achieved it is that ignorance has been shown here to it's full potential and it continues to be the downfall of the human race.

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Originally posted by culorut Well show me a poll that shows otherwise, every last one I have seen has not sided with the official story what so ever.

Well, looking polls from internet forums does NOTHING to help your argument. It makes you look ridiculous.

From Scripps Howard...

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"Federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them". * 59% "not likely" * 20% "somewhat likely" * 16% "very likely" "The collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings". * 77% "unlikely" * 10% "somewhat likely" * 6% "very likely" "The Pentagon was struck by a military cruise missile in 2001 rather than by an airliner captured by terrorists". * 80% "not likely" * 6% "somewhat likely" * 6% "very likely" How about that some people in the federal government had specific warnings of the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington, but chose to ignore those warnings. Is this very likely, somewhat likely or unlikely? * 32% "Very Likely" * 30% "Somewhat Likely * 30% "Unlikely" * 8% "Don't Know/Other"

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Originally posted by culorut You see this post like practically all of the others you have made sums you up quite nicely. There is nothing to win, especially in a discussion forum which mainly is focused primarily on music. You decided to engage in a topic posted and began trashing people specifically not a "truth movement", including whether or not they were present on this forum. You have not backed up anything aside from posting what most who have read up on 9/11 already know. Muttering insults into cyberspace does not make you an expert on the matter either. If you feel it does get your head checked immediately, insults, rumors and mis-information posted from shady websites are not facts. If anything has been achieved it is that ignorance has been shown here to it's full potential and it continues to be the downfall of the human race.

in other words, not a damned thing. 7 years of "researching" and the movement has got nothing to show for it. how humiliating

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN in other words, not a damned thing. 7 years of "researching" and the movement has got nothing to show for it. how humiliating

If this was a "grant" funded study, the funds would of already been pulled.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN in other words, not a damned thing. 7 years of "researching" and the movement has got nothing to show for it. how humiliating

How pathetic and fuking naive.

Forcing countless documents to be released to the public via the Freedom of Information Act, supporting and raising funds for the 9/11 responders and pushing for impeachment against a criminal government is just a fraction.

I would say you have your head deep in a sand pit troll.

Here is a perfect example although I have a serious problem with them trying to justify spending money on heroes. Then again the NY Post is owned by the same jerk off who owns Fox News so it really is no surprise.


9/11 AID MAY $ICK IT TO US


Federal legislation to help those suffering health problems from the World Trade Center terrorist attacks could cost taxpayers up to $13 billion, The Post has learned.

The bill, which will go before a House hearing today and is strongly backed by Mayor Bloomberg, would reopen the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund and would provide funding for medical care for downtown residents and for firefighters, cops, EMTs and construction workers who worked at Ground Zero.

The preliminary estimate of the cost of the measure by the Congressional Budget Office ranged from $8 billion to $13 billion, congressional sources said.

The staggering cost figure hasn't been publicly disclosed yet but was revealed to The Post by sources.

Under the bill, roughly 35,000 people living within 1.5 miles of Ground Zero would be eligible for medical benefits at a projected cost of $3.1 billion. Thousands of first-responders would also receive medical aid at a cost of $2 billion.

As many as 85,000 first-responders could be eligible for medical aid. But the overall cost for their care is less than for residents because most of the first-responders have health insurance that covers a large share of their medical bills, sources said.

The price for reopening the victims' fund was harder to calculate because congressional analysts couldn't predict how many people would apply. They put the cost at anywhere from $3 billion to $8 billion, sources said.

The legislation has the active support of Bloomberg, who last month met with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to push for its passage.

If approved, the bill would spare the city from massive liability by letting sick workers, or families of those who died, apply for aid from a reopened and federally financed Victim Compensation Fund.

After the terror attacks, the federal fund paid out $6 billion to families of those who died on 9/11 and another $1 billion to the injured through 2003.

The current bill is far less costly than an earlier version that was estimated at $30 billion.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/0731200...o_us_122366.htm

Nothing accomplished?

NTSB: No Records Pertaining To Process Of Positive Identification Of 9/11 Aircraft Wreckage


Within a July 18, 2008 Freedom of Information Act response from the National Transportation Safety Board, the NTSB indicates that it possesses no records indicating how wreckage recovered from the 4 aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 was positively identified as belonging to the 4 planes reportedly hijacked that day or even if such wreckage was positively identified at all.




Within a similar March 18, 2008 FOIA response from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the FBI states the following:

"The identity of the three hijacked aircraft has never been in question by the FBI, NTSB or FAA"

http://www.infowars.com/?p=886&cp=1

However, NTSB factual reports pertaining to the Flight Data Recorders allegedly belonging to American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA), do not cite a "Flight Data Recorder Group", that would normally consist of Federal Aviation Administration and airline officials, in possession of records pertaining to a given aircraft and unique serial numbers pertaining to each FDR. The absence of published FDR part and serial numbers within each NTSB FDR report suggests that the NTSB were not provided access to such records that would allow them to confirm the identities of the FDRs studied by them.

Many FDRs possess unique memory configurations that are identified by serial numbers contained within a given aircraft's records. Such serial numbers are required to facilitate FDR data readouts. Presumably, if the recovered AA 77 and UA 93 FDR's did not possess the memory configurations indicated within FAA and airline aircraft records, a mismatch could become apparent to NTSB investigators.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/16089

The FDRs in question were apparently recovered by NTSB personnel.

Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board, referring to the NTSB:

"I ... assured FBI Director Mueller that we would assist in any way we could ... he called and said, "Could you send us some people to help find the black boxes and help identify aircraft parts."

http://www.ntsb.gov/speeches/carmody/cc020227.htm

Marion Blakey, Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board, referring to the NTSB:

"Over 60 Safety Board employees worked around the clock in Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York, and at our headquarters in Washington, D. C., assisting with aircraft parts identification"

http://www.ntsb.gov/Speeches/blakey/mcb020625.htm

The text of the July 11, 2008 NTSB FOIA request:

"I respectfully request copies of records revealing the process by which wreckage recovered from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified as belonging to: American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA), United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA), American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA).

The afore mentioned aircraft are identified within numerous public NTSB records. Positive wreckage identification was presumably obtained through the use of unique serial number identifying information contained by the said aircraft's wreckage. Within U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Title 14, Part 45, it is indicated that all U.S. commercial civil aircraft are required to contain numerous components bearing unique serial number data "secured in such a manner that it will not likely be ... lost or destroyed in an accident"."

Nothing accomplished?


National Security Whistleblower J. Michael Springmann


This week Visibility 9-11 welcomes former diplomat from the State Department's Foreign Service J. Michael Springmann. Mr. Springmann served postings in Germany, India, Saudi Arabia, and the Bureau of Intelligence and Research in Washington D.C. He is a published author of several articles on national security themes, and is an attorney in private practice in Washington D.C.

Michael has attended several 9/11 Conferences over the years, most notably, the 9/11 Omission hearings on 9/9/2004 chaired by former Representative and current Green Party candidate for President, Cynthia McKinney, as well as the recent conference in Keene, NH.

Included in this important interview is a discussion regarding a new article by Mr. Springmann titled, THE MISTAKE DEPARTMENT: One Example of Why American Foreign Policy is a Disaster that discusses the American Consulate General at Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, and it's relationship to 15 of the 19 alleged September 11th hijackers. In it, he says that "the Jeddah Consulate was not a State Department post but an intelligence services operation", "the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) routinely demanded (and got) visas for sleazy characters with no ties to either their home country or Saudi Arabia," and "these vile people were terrorists recruited by U.S. intelligence officers along with Osama bin Laden, then a CIA asset."

wow. i take it all back. you've managed to file some FOI requests

what an outstanding accomplishment.

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Originally posted by culorut You and colonel sound like 8 year olds, downplaying and making personal attacks on people on the internet (very original). It has been like what a billion pages now in this thread and with every letter you two type you are discrediting your cause and making yourselves look like a-holes. You remind me of when I played road hockey as child and the kids we gave a beating to would bitch and whine all the way home with every excuse in the world. Guess what they still lost and are still bitchy whiny losers.

thats what the internet is for dumbass, its a forum for me to make baseless (well not so much in your case) ill intended statements about other peoples intelligence / sexual orientation / mothers etc etc without fear of reprisal.


so i have said it before and now i say it again.....



YOUR A DOUCHE AND AN IDIOT

And you are the most retarded engineer (supposedly) I have ever encountered. It has been at least 50 pages and you still cannot back up one dam thing you have polluted this forum with.

Bravo. You and PKC should get married.

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Originally posted by culorut And you are the most retarded engineer (supposedly) I have ever encountered. It has been at least 50 pages and you still cannot back up one dam thing you have polluted this forum with. Bravo. You and PKC should get married.

Do you have a thesis published in a scientifically peer-reviewed journal which implicates complicity of government involvement in the 9/11 attacks? I'de really like to see it.

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