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and people blame the soldiers as well, I mean they joined the army to support the country but I doubt half of them realized that they might be killed doing the job that the government leaders want them to do. Peace always seems to come too late and at a heavy price, WWII was probably a great example, hostile few killing a ton and peace was achieved with a great cost of lives.

See I think that it is easy to second guess any politician at any time, in any country but I don't think any of us understand the complex job it is. You are balancing the public to get re-elected in most cases but trying to protect your country, safeguard your people. I don't like Bush but I have to admit, the guy was not given the easiest of jobs to deal with, a world where random killings by certain groups on unarmed civilians is commonplace, where peace is not as common. You have a civil war that is about to happen in Sudan, a middle east with just an endless cycle of violence, a few waging a war vs. a world power, some splinter groups bombing places in different countries. It is not the most stable environment for anything but that Berg guy has my sympathy, just like Daniel Pearl's death, it was the same, brutal, senseless and achieved nothing cept the world's rage.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher You and I both know that you posted this several hours after I changed my avatar. Don't try to make it look like I changed it because you asked me to. That's just weak.

Are you kidding me? I would have thanked you for changing it if you had done so by the time I posted that.

That's irrelevant though, you should be banned from this forum to spear American TAs from further disgrace.

I don't totally agree with it, but I thought I'd post it:

First of all I must say that I am completely against what happened to Nick Berg, but to the people that say the that what happened in the prisons is not a justification, your just wrong.

Sure for us it seems far worse because our sense of honour has pretty much disappeared, but over there, honour can be more important than life itself. When you see them naked being held in a leash by a naked women, or masturbating for cameras, etc etc (and supposedly there are new p�ctures and videos showed to sentators yesterday wich are 10 times worst) well their honour is completely destroyed and in their eyes they might as well be dead. In some cases the familly will even kill them to restore honour.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance That's irrelevant though, you should be banned from this forum to spear American TAs from further disgrace.

Havent seen the video yet, dont know if i want to. Maybe later on...

This is a disgrace what this world is coming to , whatever happened to world peace and shit like that. pardon my french but FECK those terrorists, they need to die. i would never wish death upon no one but these sick idiots changed my view on this. Im glad we are over there killing those bastards. as long as they are not innocent civilians. We seriously need to put an end to this bullshit. enough is enough~!!!

mah 2 cents

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Originally posted by YaleTrance Are you kidding me? I would have thanked you for changing it if you had done so by the time I posted that. That's irrelevant though, you should be banned from this forum to spear American TAs from further disgrace.

You're full of shit, but that's alright. I could care less. Just wanted to call your bluff.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher I'm done with this thread. It's going nowhere. Rest in peace, Nick.

So then STFU?

...................so we ended up on a tangent bashing and cursing.

After reading 22 pages of this thread....I'm not angry , happy ,sad ..actually I don't really feel anything thanks to all the posts. Some of you made some good points while others sounded like complete idiots who are no strangers to verbal diharreah. The sad thing is that Nick is dead and was killed in a very disturbing way. I guess I can say I have been desensitized like many and probably wouldn't have felt the anger I did after watching the video if he was shot.
To the guy who did the cutting !!!!( which they say is not an Iraqi)


May you toss the Goatse salad in hell forever ....


Ahhhh here's the bastard ... right here ...

CNN is reporting that the gutless coward is the man known as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (36 yrs old jordan guy, with a 10 million dollar reward on his head). Makes sense if it is him, he was always a gutless coward and he is a psychopath.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast...berg/index.html

So al-Zarqawi believes a decapitation is equal retribution for a few incidents of humiliation akin to college pranks?

Let's drag out Saddam and publicly behead the bastard.
Next will be anyone found to have ties with al-Zarqawi or al-Queada.

Truthfully, that would end the bullshit from his side pretty quick.
Oh, and don't think he will last the year either before he gets his due....



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Originally posted by smokeape So al-Zarqawi believes a decapitation is equal retribution for a few incidents of humiliation akin to college pranks? Let's drag out Saddam and publicly behead the bastard. Next will be anyone found to have ties with al-Zarqawi or al-Queada. Truthfully, that would end the bullshit from his side pretty quick. Oh, and don't think he will last the year either before he gets his due.... [[[smoke]]]

I thought Saddam didnt have ties with al-Queada?

Hey vividboy (or should that be girl). Your just a little shit dripping out of your mothers ass. Your opinion means shit. You know why? Because the second you try to write something, everybody knows its coming from a slimy little homosexual asswipe. Probably a mentally deficient underage one at that. Whats wrong? Your dick too small for the girls or something? Must be. You've got a mental problem somewhere.

To the people who wrote in this thread that they don't want to see the video ... good for you. Nick has respect and it can never be taken away. The fact that these 'people' watch it and laugh means nothing because they are nobody in this world. The people that count are the good ones.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf I don't totally agree with it, but I thought I'd post it:

I always found that picture beyond hilarious seeing that the majority of wars the US have been involved in have been with the democrats in power.

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Originally posted by pornodoll Hey vividboy (or should that be girl). Your just a little shit dripping out of your mothers ass. Your opinion means shit. You know why? Because the second you try to write something, everybody knows its coming from a slimy little homosexual asswipe. Probably a mentally deficient underage one at that. Whats wrong? Your dick too small for the girls or something? Must be. You've got a mental problem somewhere. To the people who wrote in this thread that they don't want to see the video ... good for you. Nick has respect and it can never be taken away. The fact that these 'people' watch it and laugh means nothing because they are nobody in this world. The people that count are the good ones.

u fuckin twat did i say anything abt watching it and laughing... i just believe we have a fuckin right to watch it..the end end of discussion ...fuck if i were to have my head chopped off in front of a camera i would hope my people would get to view it..i mean if they didnt i would have died for no fuckin reaosn.. at leats thi s way i died for a reason for pewople too see how inhumane our emnemies are...eays as that..so next time u try to pass judgement on me u lil ****** look at the world thru different eyes...



ps ur right i am mentally fucked up watch ur back because this canadian psycho is now on ur ass

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy u fuckin twat did i say anything abt watching it and laughing... i just believe we have a fuckin right to watch it..the end end of discussion ...fuck if i were to have my head chopped off in front of a camera i would hope my people would get to view it..i mean if they didnt i would have died for no fuckin reaosn.. at leats thi s way i died for a reason for pewople too see how inhumane our emnemies are...eays as that..so next time u try to pass judgement on me u lil ****** look at the world thru different eyes... ps ur right i am mentally fucked up watch ur back because this canadian psycho is now on ur ass

we got the armed forces in the superhero alliance now too.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 we got the armed forces in the superhero alliance now too.

sick!

Re: Re: Re: Good God I just Saw the Whole Nick Berg Video

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Originally posted by Robert "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." Joseph Stalin

he would know

He would know all of the 1.7 million statistics he piled up.

latest news is that this video is fake or tampered in some ways.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher You can stand by and point your fingers at America and talk about how we're all morons and we don't know what we're doing, but most of the countries who oppose our presence in Iraq are opposing it because they don't have the military power or the money to go in and lay down the law themselves.

I come from Australia, a country that supported the US in Iraq, despite overwhelming public outcry and opposition to it. People oppose the war in iraq because it is illegal, unjustified, and because politicians lied and deceived the public over the reasons for going there.

George Bush clearly stated that the reason for going to Iraq was because Saddam Hussein possessed WMDs and he was capable of using them against the US or supplying other rogue nations. This was also used by Australia's Prime minister, John Howard, to justify Australia's involvement in the War in Iraq . We now find out later that intelligence reports were inaccurate and misleading. We now find out that the reason for going to Iraq has suddenly changed to removing the evil dictator Saddam Hussein from power (a good thing, but illegal nonetheless) and giving the people of Iraq "freedom"

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher They just don't want to see us gain any more power than we already have.

Exactly. Maybe the world is tired of America's exploitation of conflict for their gain, tired of America's exploitation of weaker countries to become rich and powerful. Maybe the world is tired of America changing governments, assassinating heads of state, entering conflicts where they have no right to be there and pouring arms and cash into countries when it suits them. The US supported Osama Bin Laden, they supported the Taliban, they supported Iraq and they supported a number of other dictators/terroists/governments. However, when things started to turn all fucked up, they decided they didn't like those guys anymore, and they now faced a huge problem creating all by themselves.

Some of can see through the lies that we are fed by the US Government and the media, and we can see the alternate reason for going to Iraq, which is to gain control of Iraq's oil and secure oil interests in the Middle East.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher I understand that there are innocent people in the Middle East. A vast number of those innocent people, however, cheer and dance in the streets when an American dies, civilian or not. Someone mentioned something about the Roman empire a few pages back. Ironic, given that the Roman public was a bloodthirsty, angry mob focused on bringing a terrible and painful end to their nation's enemies.

Maybe you need to look past your immediate response to people cheering when an American is killed and look at the reasons why they are cheering and dancing. It is a lot more complex than you make it out to be.

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Originally posted by Blik Get your history lessons straight and learn something about other countries before you reply that America has always been the strongest nation, the world exists a little bit longer then the 100 years that you the US are the strongest nation. 100 years is nothing, Roman Empire ruled for about 500 years, The Netherlands ruled for 150-200 years etc etc etc. Eventually you will lose that "title" to another country (probably China). Please get an education...

not if we exterminate china.....like thepunisher.com would do

lol

btw thepunisher grow up pls

nice to see the resident twats ruining yet another thread...

Here's another opinion that i found:


Jose Ramos-Horta: Keep fighting the good fight

May 14, 2004
THE new Socialist Government in Spain has caved to the terrorist threats and withdrawn its troops from Iraq. So have Honduras and the Dominican Republic.

They are unlikely to be the last. With the security situation expected to worsen before it improves, we have to accept that a few more countries - who do not appreciate how much the world has at stake in building a free Iraq - will also cut and run. No matter how the retreating governments try to spin it, every time a country pulls out of Iraq it is al-Qa'ida and other extremists who win. They draw the conclusion that the coalition of the willing is weak and that the more terrorist outrages, the more countries will withdraw.

As a Nobel Peace laureate, I, like most people, agonise over the use of force. But when it comes to rescuing an innocent people from tyranny or genocide, I've never questioned the justification for resorting to force. That's why I supported Vietnam's 1978 invasion of Cambodia, which ended Pol Pot's regime, and Tanzania's invasion of Uganda in 1979, to oust Idi Amin. In both cases, those countries acted without UN or international approval -- and in both cases they were right to do so.

Perhaps the French have forgotten how they, too, toppled one of the worst human-rights violators without UN approval. I applauded in the early '80s when French paratroopers landed in the dilapidated capital of the then Central African Empire and deposed "Emperor" Jean-Bedel Bokassa, renowned for cannibalism.

Almost two decades later, I applauded again as NATO intervened -- without a UN mandate -- to end ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and liberate an oppressed European Muslim community from Serbian tyranny. And I rejoiced once more in 2001 after the US-led overthrow of the Taliban liberated Afghanistan from one of the world's most barbaric regimes.

So why do some think Iraq should be any different? Only a year after his overthrow, they seem to have forgotten how hundreds of thousands perished during Saddam Hussein's tyranny, under a regime whose hallmark was terror, summary execution, torture and rape. Forgotten, too, is how the Kurds and Iraq's neighbours lived each day in fear, so long as Saddam remained in power.

Saddam's overthrow offers a chance to build a new Iraq that is peaceful, tolerant and prosperous. That's why the stakes are so high, and why extremists from across the Muslim world are fighting to prevent it. They know that a free Iraq would fatally undermine their goal of purging all Western influence from the Muslim world, overthrowing the secular regimes in the region, and imposing Stone Age rule.

If we look beyond the TV coverage, there is hope that Washington's vision of transforming Iraq might still be realised.

Credible opinion polls show that a large majority of Iraqis feel better off than a year ago. There is real freedom of the press with newspapers and radio stations mushrooming in the new Iraq. There is unhindered internet access. NGOs covering everything from human rights to women's advocacy have emerged. In short, Iraq is experiencing real freedom for the first time in its history. And that is exactly what the religious fanatics fear.

Democracy and Islam can co-exist in Iraq, as long as it is led by wise clerics who are able to deliver freedom and good governance. The most probable contender to fill this role is Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who has emerged as the national leader the country needs to keep it together. He may not be a democrat in the Western mould, but the US needs to cultivate him and provide whatever support is required to ensure that he emerges as ruler of the new Iraq.

THE US also needs to repair the damage done by the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners. While it's important to remember that those involved only represent a tiny fraction of US service personnel in Iraq, the fact remains that the abuse was allowed to continue for many months after organisations such as the normally secretive Red Cross sounded alarm bells. Only thorough investigation, including action against those responsible, can US standing in Iraq be restored.

Now is the time for Washington to show leadership by ensuring that the UN plays the central role in building a new Iraq. As an East Timorese, I am well aware of the international body's limits, having seen first-hand its impotence in the face of Indonesia's invasion of my country in 1975.

The UN is the sum of our qualities and weaknesses, our selfish national interests and personal vanities. For all its shortcomings, it is the only international organisation we all feel part of; it should be cherished rather than further weakened. While the US will continue to play a critical role in ensuring security in Iraq, a UN-led peacekeeping force would enable many Arab and Muslim nations to join in and help isolate the extremists.

In almost 30 years of political life, I have supported the use of force on several occasions and sometimes wonder whether I am a worthy recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Certainly I am not in the same category as Mother Teresa, the Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu or Nelson Mandela. But Mandela, too, recognised the need to resort to violence in the struggle against white oppression. The consequences of doing nothing in the face of evil were demonstrated when the world did not stop the Rwandan genocide that killed almost 1 million people in 1994. Where were the peace protesters then? They were just as silent as they are today in the face of the barbaric behaviour of religious fanatics.

Some may accuse me of being more of a warmonger than a Nobel laureate, but I stand ready to face my critics. It is always easier to say no to war, even at the price of appeasement. But being politically correct means leaving the innocent to suffer the world over, from Phnom Penh to Baghdad. And that is what those who would cut and run from Iraq risk doing.

Jose Ramos-Horta, the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1996, is East Timor's senior minister for foreign affairs and co-operation. This is reprinted with permission from The Wall Street Journal.





Pretty interesting reading.....

why isn't this thread closed?

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