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Originally posted by Crazy Serb Yeah, sure... but the case in Toronto was often the rest of the team slacking off by simply depending on Carter alone to carry them thru, or Carter taking too many shots and not allowing the rest of the team to contribute as well.

so when the team slacked off and relied on Carter, the blame should go to him? shouldn't the team know by now that they still have to contribute as much as they can?

you're also implying that Carter was a hog. I don't think this was the case. he was 3rd on the team in assists. The first 2 are our point guards. If your argument for this were true, then what do you think of guys like T-Mac, Kobe, AI and Pierce? Are they the poison on their teams?

Carter is a good player but I have to admit he's not the guy you can build your team around. New Jersey will still be a good team because they got 2 other guys they can depend on.

man, i missed a good game last night...37 points in the 4th though!? hope bosh plays consistently well then he'll be the next KG. and im glad for aroujo...14 rebounds! maybe he's not such a waste after all. i gotta say though that alston has to stop taking that many shots.

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Originally posted by EvilDust so when the team slacked off and relied on Carter, the blame should go to him? shouldn't the team know by now that they still have to contribute as much as they can? you're also implying that Carter was a hog. I don't think this was the case. he was 3rd on the team in assists. The first 2 are our point guards. If your argument for this were true, then what do you think of guys like T-Mac, Kobe, AI and Pierce? Are they the poison on their teams? Carter is a good player but I have to admit he's not the guy you can build your team around. New Jersey will still be a good team because they got 2 other guys they can depend on.

It's just strange that when Carter scored 30+ in the last couple seasons, the team had a losing record is all. Or when Carter was given the last possession how badly our team finished the game. I'm not saying all these were Carter's fault, as I'm sure quite a few were the coach's decision as well, but I do think he caused a lot of problems by not sharing the ball, even if his teamates weren't making shots. I mean, wheter a missed shot comes from him shooting 42% or a team shooting the same average, really what does it matter? I'd ratehr have the entire team shooting poorly than giving one player all the shots and shooting badly. At least you'll get more open looks with a team than just a single player.

T-Mac - I'll wait till after this season to respond to whether or not he's poison for a team.
Kobe - A guy who runs the best coach and the most dominant player in the league out of town, and alienates a future hall of famer and one of the 50 top plaers in league history so he can get more shots and play for a .500 team, and he's not poison?
AI - ran larry brown out of town, has off-court issues weekly, and never shows up to practice and bitches when he's not playing well and gets benched. This isn't poison either?
Pierce - Much less of poison, but really, still plays more with himself than his teamates. How many championships has he won?

[Begin Wild Tangent]
The NBA has been complaining about low scoring for years and it's because of the players above that scoring has suffered. Defense in the league hasn't gotten better, it's because when Jordan came around, everyone wanted a player on their team as marketable as him, so every team created their own 'star'. As a result, these guys got more of the shots, and defenses became able to focus in on one player to stop an offense. If you look at the top scoring/best teams in the NBA now, they're all teams that share the ball. The Kings, the Mavs, the Suns, the Sonics, the Spurs. All of them share the ball, and 'star' status should be given to player that excel on teams that win, not because they take the most shots, or score the most points.
This is why I'm voting steve nash for MVP. Honour a team player, not some guy who can jack up the ball from anywhere on the court without a conscience.
[End Wild Tangent]

Nash for MVP, baby... he's turned around that Suns team 180 degrees.

As much as I love Marbury, I think Nash has been a much better fit for the team... just look at how they're playing now! Everyone else except for Nash has been there last season as well, and they haven't done THIS GOOD back then. Gotta attribute that to Nash. Most of the nights there are like 5-6 guys on that team that score at least 10 points... amazing!

And I totally agree with your post Sly_Guy...

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy It's just strange that when Carter scored 30+ in the last couple seasons, the team had a losing record is all. Or when Carter was given the last possession how badly our team finished the game. I'm not saying all these were Carter's fault, as I'm sure quite a few were the coach's decision as well, but I do think he caused a lot of problems by not sharing the ball, even if his teamates weren't making shots. I mean, wheter a missed shot comes from him shooting 42% or a team shooting the same average, really what does it matter? I'd ratehr have the entire team shooting poorly than giving one player all the shots and shooting badly. At least you'll get more open looks with a team than just a single player.

I get what you mean. I just don't know what it is but players that go to Toronto just start playing like crap. 4 years ago we had guys like AD, Oakley, Alvin Williams, Keon Clark, JYD, even Chris Childs and they all played with effort. Ever since, everyone just got lazy and the guys we traded for are even worse. I'm all for trading Carter because he does not fit our agenda (be like the T-Wolves) but we seriously got ripped off from that deal. Mourning should just die already!

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy T-Mac - I'll wait till after this season to respond to whether or not he's poison for a team. Kobe - A guy who runs the best coach and the most dominant player in the league out of town, and alienates a future hall of famer and one of the 50 top plaers in league history so he can get more shots and play for a .500 team, and he's not poison? AI - ran larry brown out of town, has off-court issues weekly, and never shows up to practice and bitches when he's not playing well and gets benched. This isn't poison either? Pierce - Much less of poison, but really, still plays more with himself than his teamates. How many championships has he won?

ok I gave pretty bad examples Do you think Lebron will be in that list 3 years from now?

The only players you should build around now are centres and power forwards namely, Shaq, KG, and Duncan. You could even add Jermaine O'Neal and Amare there too.

Bosh has a lot of catching up to do with his peers (especially Wade). At least he's better than Darko hehe.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy [Begin Wild Tangent] The NBA has been complaining about low scoring for years and it's because of the players above that scoring has suffered. Defense in the league hasn't gotten better, it's because when Jordan came around, everyone wanted a player on their team as marketable as him, so every team created their own 'star'. As a result, these guys got more of the shots, and defenses became able to focus in on one player to stop an offense. If you look at the top scoring/best teams in the NBA now, they're all teams that share the ball. The Kings, the Mavs, the Suns, the Sonics, the Spurs. All of them share the ball, and 'star' status should be given to player that excel on teams that win, not because they take the most shots, or score the most points. This is why I'm voting steve nash for MVP. Honour a team player, not some guy who can jack up the ball from anywhere on the court without a conscience. [End Wild Tangent]

Star power is what sells tickets though. Remember when Damon left? Who in their right mind would pay for tickets to see the Raptors unless it's to watch the all-star on the opposing team?

I gotta disagree that defense isn't better. It's a lot better now. Star power was what won games back in the 80s and 90s. Magic, Jordan, Bird, Barkley, Isaiah...the teams were built around these guys...so why isn't the formula working anymore? It's gotta be the defense right?

But I still do think you can build a team around a star player. But it's gotta be guys like KG, Shaq and Duncan who are in a league of their own. Here's hoping for Bosh!

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb Nash for MVP, baby... he's turned around that Suns team 180 degrees.

oh man, you just reminded me of a quote by Jason Kidd back when he was with the Suns. He said they were going to turn the team around 360 degrees hehe.

Great Article...

Delusions of grandeur

Paul Forrester, SI.com






It's well known that New Yorkers are enamored of themselves, and of their city's self-proclaimed status as the "capital of the world."

So it should come as no surprise that the stars of the area's two NBA teams are full of the same swagger. In the last few weeks, the Knicks' Stephon Marbury has told us how he is the league's best point guard. And New Jersey's Vince Carter intimated that he plans to show up those who doubted his abilities before the Raptors traded him to the swamps of New Jersey in mid-December.

Both are delusions of grandeur.

As entertaining as both players are, as many highlights as both generate, neither player is as good as he thinks.

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Take Marbury. The Knicks' floor general has undoubtedly helped make the team relevant,but that's about the limit of his capabilities. Yes, he's averaged 20 points per game and at least eight assists in five of his last six seasons. But a player's value is measured in the postseason, a place Marbury has been four times -- and exited each time in the first round.

Even more telling is the fact he's been shipped off of three teams already in his eight-year career, and in each case, the team shedding itself of Marbury has been better the following season -- dramatically. Minnesota improved from a lockout-shortened 25-25 mark to 50-32 post-Marbury. New Jersey enjoyed a 26-game turnaround after sending Marbury to the Suns for Jason Kidd. And this season the Suns have started 26-4 after winning a total of 29 games all last season with Marbury directing the offense for the bulk of the campaign.

And what of this season, in which Marbury has, in his humble opinion, ascended to the throne once held by Magic Johnson and John Stockton? It's an interesting claim, to put it charitably, for a player who has led his team to a 16-14 record in a conference in which less than half the teams are playing at least .500 ball. Or for a point guard whose assist-to-turnover ratio stands at a pedestrian 2.68, a mark that trails the likes of Milt Palacio and Tyronn Lue.

Tellingly -- although Marbury made a mission last week of proving his bold statement against the player to whom it appeared the comment was directed, Jason Kidd, with 31 points and four 3-pointers -- it was Kidd who led his Nets to an 89-83 win at Madison Square Garden.

Did Marbury finally learn a lesson? We doubt it; not after Knicks GM Isiah Thomas gave his stamp of approval to Marbury's claim. Thomas, of all people, should know that point guards aren't weighed by their numbers; they're measured by their wins.

Speaking of winning, that isn't something many close observers would associate with Vince Carter.

Not since 2001, when Carter short-circuited what seemed a certain path to the mantle of the NBA's best by flying to and from his college graduation on the day of then seventh game of the Eastern Conference semifinals with the 76ers (this after VC had stopped regularly attending classes at North Carolina before his senior season). Philly won 88-87.

Not since Carter was seen grooving at a Nelly concert while in the midst of rehabbing his now-infamous jumper's knee a few seasons back.

And not since he thanked the Raptors and their fans for their years of medical support and All-Star votes by dogging the first 20 games of this season while asking out of Toronto.

Now Carter has the nerve to proclaim he will prove his doubters wrong as a Net.

But it is Carter and his increasingly laissez-faire play that have been the source of these doubts. A once-explosive scorer aggressive enough to launch his groin into Frederic Weiss' face during a memorable dunk at the Sydney Olympics, Carter has become more passive with each succeeding season. Carter even went so far as to claim that he was through with dunking. Mind you, he's all of 27 years old, which doesn't quite seem the time to start using a cane.

It isn't as if Carter is trying to save his legs for the playoffs; he's been there only twice in his six-year career. And that is precisely why Air Meadowlands is so maddening. Blessed with the ability to bend the game to his will, Carter chooses to remain in the NBA's version of The Matrix, avoiding contact, launching 231 comfortable 3-pointers a season and starting summer vacation early each year.

In time, and without the protection Marbury enjoys as a hometown hero, Carter will soon learn that as willingly as New York embraces the proud, the city is equally effective at discerning a fraud. Don't say you haven't been warned.

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Originally posted by EvilDust oh man, you just reminded me of a quote by Jason Kidd back when he was with the Suns. He said they were going to turn the team around 360 degrees hehe.

what's turning 360 degrees gonna change? aren't you back where you started? /jokes

and about your LeBron comment... well, I don't think you can fit him into the same category as the rest of the guys you mentioned. He's light years ahead of them all. Not only does he get his teammates involved a lot more, he insists on not being the focus of that team. How many times have you seen him have like 10 points a game and the team still win? Sure, he's exploded to a few 30-40 point games, but hell, he just converts all the opportunities he's presented with into points.

P.S. - Great Article from SI!

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Originally posted by EvilDust I get what you mean. I just don't know what it is but players that go to Toronto just start playing like crap. 4 years ago we had guys like AD, Oakley, Alvin Williams, Keon Clark, JYD, even Chris Childs and they all played with effort. Ever since, everyone just got lazy and the guys we traded for are even worse.

I have my theories as to why these guys began to tank and left the team. Although I can't exactly justify it beyond debate, I think the reason these players came to Toronto was to play with Carter, and he drove them away with a lack of effort and his complete control of both the locker room and front office. But more than that, JYD never tanked, Alvin Williams played hurt, Chris Childs never had the skill, Oakley got old, and got fed up with both the coach and Carter, Keon Clarke was a wild card pickup, but he ended up getting pissed at Carter the same way AD did.

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Originally posted by EvilDust ok I gave pretty bad examples Do you think Lebron will be in that list 3 years from now?

Potentially. But I do think the drive in the NBA now is to correct this 'star mentality' they've had for the last decade or so, and it's far less likely to happen. As CrazySerb commented, LeBron has shown signs of being a more 'team friendly' star.

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Originally posted by EvilDust The only players you should build around now are centres and power forwards namely, Shaq, KG, and Duncan. You could even add Jermaine O'Neal and Amare there too.

They're all players who share the rock tho, which is why you should build a team around them. Aside from maybe Amare tho, I don't quite reguard him in the same class as the others.

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Originally posted by EvilDust Star power is what sells tickets though. Remember when Damon left? Who in their right mind would pay for tickets to see the Raptors unless it's to watch the all-star on the opposing team?

Sadly, this is true, but as a basketball fan who's more interested in the game itself than whether or not the home team wins, I'd much rather see a team without a star that plays well together as a team than just some player like davis on the celts who's good at nothing more than elevating and throwing down a huge dunk. And judging by the attendance of games at the ACC, people are coming out in bigger numbers to watch the teams with more wins than to watch Pierce and the celts.

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Originally posted by EvilDust I gotta disagree that defense isn't better. It's a lot better now. Star power was what won games back in the 80s and 90s. Magic, Jordan, Bird, Barkley, Isaiah...the teams were built around these guys...so why isn't the formula working anymore? It's gotta be the defense right?

Games in the 80's and early 90's routinely went in the 120's and 130's. Stuff like that doesn't happen anymore people people aren't passing the ball. One of Jordan's championships came from a play where he recieved the ball in the clutch of the game, and passed it off to Steve Kerr for an open look. You just don't see that level of sharing the ball anymore. Share the ball, get higher percentage open looks and you'll get higher scores. Suns this year avg 109 ppg, and the only difference between them this year and last is because they have a point guard dishing out 10 assists per game. That's a 20 point swing in ppg from last season to this right there.
There are 5 defenders on the court, all ready to rotate over and help on a player with the ball, if the defense knows that 'battie star' is gonna take the shot, the don't have to make nearly the same adjustments on the court.

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Originally posted by EvilDust But I still do think you can build a team around a star player. But it's gotta be guys like KG, Shaq and Duncan who are in a league of their own. Here's hoping for Bosh!

You can, but I'd much rather see teams build from a solid base of players, and let the stars rise on their own.

front page FINALLY updated. lets see if it keeps the streak alive....

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Despite some good games, Rose still angry about coming off the bench LORI EWING January 6, 2005 TORONTO (CP) - Jalen Rose admits he has a chip on his shoulder but says it has developed over years of having to fight for everything he's got. So while the veteran guard is still stinging from being relegated to the Toronto Raptors bench despite some decent games of late, he said he is approaching it as just another setback that he'll have to suffer through. "I've always had a chip on my shoulder, I've never had the red carpet treatment, I've never had anybody say, 'Oh here comes Jalen, let's open up the doors and give him everything that we have,' " Rose said after practice Thursday. "I've always had to be a guy to kick in the door and take it, and if they didn't give it to me, snatch it." Why him? "Who knows? It's just the evolution of being Jalen Rose," said Rose. "I learned that a long time ago, to deal with. "I appreciate who I am, and I don't mind fighting for every inch." Raptors head coach Sam Mitchell moved Rose to the bench Dec. 22, giving his starting role to newcomer Eric Williams after Williams was acquired from the New Jersey Nets in the Dec. 17 blockbuster Vince Carter trade. Mitchell said Williams added some much-needed intensity, especially on defence, and pointed out that Rose presents matchup problems for opponents when he's coming off the bench. "I know Jalen wants to start, but I've got to do what I think is best for the team," Mitchell said Thursday, as the Raptors (12-21) prepared for Friday's game against Milwaukee. "I made the decision I made and it's not for me to go back and review, or think about, or second-guess. "I respect the fact Jalen has played the way he has played, even though he wants to start. I've got to do what I think is best for the overall good of the team." Rose has played well in his six games off the bench despite his reduced minutes, averaging 16.2 points compared to 14.8 as a starter. In Wednesday's win over Sacramento, Rose scored 14 points in 18 minutes in the first half, didn't play the third quarter, then finished with 20 on the night. But Mitchell bristled when asked about Rose's new role, and how the coach is allocating players' minutes. "We're trying to put five guys on the court that play the best together," Mitchell said. "For me to come in after every game and have to talk about, why this guy started, or why this guy isn't starting, those are decisions I make. "You can analyse them, criticize them, whatever you choose to do with them, but I would appreciate it if you would stop asking me. I don't want to talk about it anymore." Rose still wants to talk about it. When he lost his starting role, it was the first time in 77 games as a Raptor he'd come off the bench. He didn't start in two games last season with Chicago shortly before he was traded to Toronto, marking his first time off the bench since the 1998-'99 season with Indiana. Rose's name has been mentioned in trade rumours for weeks and he believed he would be shipped out as part of the Carter trade. Critics point to his huge salary - Rose is by far the highest-paid Raptor, due to make $14.5 million US this season. "Nobody gave me my money, I earned it," argued Rose. "I wasn't standing behind a barn with a gun to somebody's head asking for a deal. "I actually had teams willing to sign me. I didn't get a big contract because I was on a last-place team putting up numbers. I got my contract because I was a proven player that was consistent. I've been in big games at every level." Rose argued he's a much better player than he was when he broke into the league with the Indiana Pacers. "I'm more versatile, I'm more mature, I'm more responsible, I'm able to handle the situation whether I'm playing 19 minutes and missing a whole quarter in one game, to not playing the third quarter yesterday when I felt I got off to a good start," said Rose. "You've got to find a way to still be a pro, still get out there and compete for the love of the game, and let everything else fall after." Rose is one of a number of high profile NBA players who is donating money to aid victims of the tsunami in Asia. Rose will give $1,000 US for every point he scores Friday night to UNICEF.

*my comment: that sounds like another whiny bitch on our team. he gets $14.5 mill this season and he's complaining about coming off the bench?! get that fuck outta here... there are so many players in the league that wouldn't have said a word about it and considered it just a move that coach had to make in order to improve the team. Take Sczerbiak from T'Wolves. He said "Fine, if you need to take me out of the starting lineup in order to win more games, sure, no problem"... but no, Jalen Rose is WAAAAAY ABOVE THEM! Joker...

and this --> Rose argued he's a much better player than he was when he broke into the league with the Indiana Pacers. "I'm more versatile, I'm more mature, I'm more responsible,..." --> yeah, he forgot to mention that he's a lot more slower and less mobile as well. that's why Eric Williams took your spot bitch, cuz he can actually play defence, instead of just letting people walk by him.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore front page FINALLY updated. lets see if it keeps the streak alive....

bigUPS Jeff

wow .. this is annoying..

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Jan. 7, 2005. 02:24 PM I didn't give Raps full effort: Carter 'You see that you don't have to work at it,' he reflects CANADIAN PRESS Vince Carter admits he didn't always give it his all with the Toronto Raptors. In an interview broadcast Thursday on TNT, network analyst John Thompson asked Carter if he pushed himself as hard as he should have in Toronto. "In years past, no," said Carter, now a member of the New Jersey Nets. "I was fortunate to have the talent . . . you get spoiled when you're able to do a lot of things. You see that you don't have to work at it. "Now, with the all the injuries, I have to work harder. I'm a little hungrier. Getting a fresh start has made me want to attack the basket." Carter's comments come after questions about his dedication to the game, his commitment to off-season conditioning and his desire to improve from former teammates, broadcasters and media. The criticism sometimes bothered Carter. "Guys compare it to Michael Jordan, the game face. I have that," said Carter. "But I enjoy basketball. I love to smile. If I'm not smiling, then it's a problem . . . then I'm really not competing. "Everybody looks at it like, `This is the way this guy plays.' Some players have said just because they approach the game that way, that I should. And I still have the same results in the end." Carter has looked like a different player since the Dec. 17 trade that sent him to New Jersey for Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams and Eric Williams plus two first-round draft picks. Motivated by the change, Carter has revived his dominating inside game which had nearly disappeared in favour of the outside jump shot with the Raptors. Carter is averaging 22.5 points in 40.3 minutes with the Nets, compared to 15.9 points in 30.4 minutes with the Raptors before the trade. The improvement drew the ire of Raptors broadcaster Leo Rautins. "If someone has as much talent as (Carter), then you know if they are using it or not," Rautins told the Toronto Sun. "Sooner or later, they'll see his true colours (in New Jersey). "I'd be shocked if they didn't. He would have to have a huge change. If you can all of a sudden change it, wow, that's an indictment of what you were doing in Toronto." Rautins also accused Carter of playing his hardest outside of Toronto. "I was shocked last year when Carter went to the all-star game (in Los Angeles)," Rautins said. "He ran faster and jumped higher than I had seen in three years. What's the difference? Why there? . . . "Why wasn't he running in Toronto? Rafer Alston was pushing the ball up just like Jason Kidd. He ran for Jason Kidd, but he didn't run for Rafer Alston."

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb Nash for MVP, baby... he's turned around that Suns team 180 degrees.

u WOULDNT be wrong doing that.....

ps. this VC article above says it all:
VC is a LOSER

I just read that article now too...nice

good riddance...and good for Leo to tell it like it is!!!

Imagine Toronto vs. NJ...in Toronto...I want to see Carter go up for a dunk and for Araujo to send him flying with an unecessarily hard foul. The fans would LOVE IT

Well from the looks of it, ever since Vince left the rest of the Raptors team started playing some DAMN good basketball. At first I missed Vince, well mainly the memories, because it was so exciting to watch him play, but now that he's gone I think EVERY player on this team improved their game by a couple of notches.

Eric Williams is an amazing addition to the team, and Bosh, Alston, Mo-Pete are showin what they're really capable of.

Oh, and Araujo (sp?) has REALLY REALLY improved.

I think that the Raps are finally jelling well as a team.

Sure, there are spots to improve, such as more intensity on D, but there are many improvements and I think is pretty balanced team. I don't know what other team in NBA has as good as second unit as the Raps. Too many teams rely too much on their starters but when the Raps starters go cold, the bench can pick it up, as they did many times during the season making the game closer when it could have been a total blow out. (Too bad they can't play clutch ball)

team chemistry seems to be getting good again, since the departure of vince [surprise surprise!], I haven't seen contented players on the raptors since the days of mcgrady and vince.

good games vs the celts. They took the lead early and didn't give it up. Everytime the celts got within 5 or 6, the raps found a way to mae their halfcourt sets work. Getting the ball into bosh is becoming a better and better idea; earlier in the season, I wouldn't have said this, as I was beginning to doubt him as a great player, but he's been taking care of the ball a whole lot better, and the raps have been giving him touches because of it.
Mo Pete was just unconscious last night as well, good game on his side, but he can break out for games like that every once in a while. Again for him, since carter left, he's been playing a helluva lot more consistantly, and his game is starting to remind me of rich RIP hamilton, except he's not a skinny fuck.
Overall, the raps were moving the ball really well [minus how crappy our point guards played, given they had at least half our turnovers]. But one thing that always worries me is when they win games based on their 3 pt shooting like they did last night. I guess it's just because I've watched the raptors be a jump shooting team for the last couple years, and I've seen shooting streaks dry up in a hurry. Hopefully they've finally learned their lesson, and continue to work from the interior out for their offense.

Wow, I really wanted to talk hoops today...

For Raptors that's 4 wins in the last 5 games... while on the other hand the New Jersey seem doomed for the season with Jefferson out for the season and with a whole bunch of losses in the last couple of games (even with Carter on the team).

Well, the Nets are rebuilding, really.

The Raps may be a play off contender, esp. depending on what they get by trading Mourning, Rose and Marshall.

Raps need a third point guard and a shooting guard, if Rose is traded. I do think Marshall should stay though. Fits in well as an utility player.

great game for a lot of the Raptors...MoPete was unstoppable...Bosh's time in the gym has clearly paid off...those power moves to the net are awesome. I think we have one of the best 1-2 off the bench in the Division right now with Rose and Bonner.

Without Jefferson, NJ is done. If I was Kidd, I'd want out.

I loved how Nash and the Suns DESTROYED Shaq and the Heat this week too

I hope they can find a way to keep Rose and Marshall interested. Down the stretch their experience and skill will be much needed. If I was Rose making 15 mil I'd be pissed at not starting either. Hopefully he's a professional and won't do what Carter did, or didn't do.

What about Matt Bonner. That guys money from 15-18 feet. Does he ever miss a jump shot?

Yeah. His shooting percentage is about 50%, second in league after Shaq. Since most of Shaq's shots are close range, Bonner is really the best shooter in the league.

IMO Rose is going to get fed up sooner or later. Ego and too much pride, not that I blame him though.

very well played game by the raps....
CANT BELIEVE Mo Pete last night - never thought
he was capable of scoring 37 in a game.

the team is looking MUCH better, and they really
do look like a TEAM that will continue to improve.

OBVIOUSLY the trade was a good one, and there are
still more to come i'm sure.

my advice? KEEP Donyell, keeps the stability of the team in check.
AND, Jalen off the bench is definitly working out.

saw/read today the raptors will LIKELY not trade Alonzo,
rather buy out his contract

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Originally posted by MarkT Without Jefferson, NJ is done. If I was Kidd, I'd want out. I loved how Nash and the Suns DESTROYED Shaq and the Heat this week too

Yeah with jefferson out, the nets are sunk.

With the suns:
you have to remember, the heat were coming off a long road swing, and were probably tired. The suns are good, very good, but not as good as they looked when they beat the heat that night. People are saying that the suns are gonna have a great regular season, but have a dissapointing playoffs. Personally, I'm giving them some more credit than that, nash is the league's best point guard right now, and amare is one of the toughest matchups in the league. Those two players won't be stopped, but in the playoff, the open looks the suns are used to getting dissapear pretty quickly.

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