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Originally posted by NeoPhono Well, you could build your own platform specific rpms, but unless you're planning on sharing those rpms later, it's probably just as easy to install from source. (My 2 cents)

Won't that mess up with the package handeler later though?

From distrowatch.com:

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Despite the release of a new Mandriva edition last week, it was the company -- rather than the new product -- that stole the spotlight in the media. In a never-ending series of blunders that have relegated the best desktop Linux distribution on the market to a mediocre one over the last few years, the decision makers at Mandriva have asked Ga�l Duval (pictured on the right) to leave the company! Yes, the same Ga�l Duval who single-handedly created Mandrake Linux back in 1998. The same Ga�l Duval who had a proven track record of understanding desktop Linux better than anyone else at the time. The same Ga�l Duval who probably contributed more than anyone else to increased adoption of Linux at a time when very few distributions thought about usability of Linux on the desktop. Now, last week, Ga�l Duval was deemed a burden to the company he helped to jump-start! It was a telling sign of Mandriva's attitude towards their user community that we had to learn about such an important event in an obscure IRC channel or a private web log, rather than directly from the horse's mouth. It was only when a major news site picked up the story that the company found itself in an embarrassing position of having to provide an explanation. Although Ga�l Duval disagreed on a few minor points, the message given by Mandriva's CEO was clear: Mandriva as a company is once again in a bad financial shape and needs to find ways to cut expenses. With the acquisition of Conectiva and Lycoris in 2005, the ill-contrived spending spree of the past year has come back to haunt the company's investors. Fresh doubts about the viability of its business model have re-surfaced. Is this the end of Mandriva as a company? No, not just yet. Is this the end of a distribution that helped so many users (including your DistroWatch maintainer) to jump on the Linux bandwagon back in the late nineties? Sadly, yes. As one forum reader put it so bluntly, it is frightening to realise that in their quest to increase the value of their investments, Mandriva's desperate shareholders have made so many absurd decisions that instead of building a prosperous business entity they will bring about its downfall! Right now, the only thing that can save Mandriva from certain death is return to its roots - by building a distribution for home users, not suits. Although following Red Hat's business model might sound like a perfect way to ensure future financial prosperity, the sad reality is that Mandriva will have hard time competing with the likes of Red Hat and Novell. Instead, the company should close its rapidly diminishing Club infrastructure, return to a 6-month release cycle, and give away the base distribution with no delays and no strings attached. With the dramatically increasing interest in Linux that we have been witnessing over the past 6 months, it shouldn't take too long before it would generate solid and sustainable revenue from private and government contracts, as well as by selling support and custom solutions. For Mandriva to survive, it needs to stop laying off its best employees and start implementing a radical overhaul of its business strategy. It should strive to become a leader in one area, not a follower in another - no matter how lucrative it might seem to certain uninformed investors. Unfortunately, as its most recent action demonstrates, Mandriva might have already passed the point of no return.... * * * * *

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NewsForge The Online Newspaper for Linux and Open Source http://trends.newsforge.com/ Title Mandrake founder Gael Duval to sue Mandriva over firing Date 2006.03.15 15:07 Author NewsForge Staff Topic http://trends.newsforge.com/article...06/03/15/208240 Mandriva executive Gael Duval today confirmed rumors that he was laid off from the company he co-founded, along with a number of other Mandriva employees. Duval told NewsForge that he is going to bring suit against Mandriva for "abusive layoff." In an exclusive IRC chat this afternoon, Duval said, "I'm very sad since my new role was pretty exciting. Additionally, seven years ago I created my job and some jobs for many other people, and eventually someone, the current boss, tells me, 'Now you leave.' Ouch!" Duval said that last year Mandriva CEO Francois Bancilhon asked him to leave the company. Instead, Duval agreed to move from his long-time position as vice president of communication to head a new "community department" intended "to improve Mandriva's image in the open source arena." Now the company has terminated that effort. He also said that while he and Bancilhon had "diverging opinions" on corporate direction, there was no animosity between the two. We asked Bancilhon about the situation, and he responded this morning, writing: We announced on March 7 the financial results for Q1 2005-2006 (October-December 2005) and explained the disappointing results of the company and the actions we are taking to fix the situation: cost reduction (including workforce reduction) and new commercial initiatives, both on individual solutions and on enterprise solutions. Gael is part of the positions in the company we have chosen to eliminate. Gael has brought a lot to this company and has been all along a very strong contributor. I am very sorry to see him leave, together with other employees that have worked hard and done their best for Mandriva. We are just at a stage where we need to make difficult decision to improve the company status. So, to answer your questions, Gael has indeed left the company as part of cost reduction plan implemented this quarter. Mandriva remains committed to its mission: bring Linux and open source technology to both individuals and organisations. Duval created Linux-Mandrake in 1998, announcing it on Slashdot.org and elsewhere. The original Mandrake was based on Red Hat Linux and featured a KDE desktop. Mandrake became known as being the easiest-to-use version of Linux. The company flirted with bankruptcy in 2001, but kept hanging on. In 2005, Mandrake merged with Conectiva in an effort by the two distributions to bulk-up against the larger Red Hat and Novell. Of the company's financial pains, Duval said, "My opinion is that the loss is due to the increase of expenses: many people have been hired in 2005 and early 2006.... As far as I know, none of the new employees have been fired." He agreed with a suggestion that the company was undergoing "a changing of the guard." Duval didn't speculate on Mandriva's future. "On the first hand, there is some business (management decisions and expenses are another story). On the other hand, I frankly don't know where the company is going.... It seems that the company is going to address the corporate market more and more.... My opinion is that we should have stuck to the roots (individuals and SOHO)." Duval's future plans -- in addition to the lawsuit -- involve a new open source project called Ulteo. According to Duval, "This project was proposed to Mandriva but not 'selected.' My goal is to provide a new way for people to use operating systems, so they can really concentrate on using it (and not maintaining it)." He also noted that he has received many messages of support from the community. Links -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "on March 7 the financial results for Q1 2005-2006" - http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/compa...letter/sn060307 "Slashdot.org" - http://slashdot.org/articles/980725/117228.shtml "Ulteo" - http://www.ulteo.com/

i loathe RPMs

appget is infinately better

So what program do you guys use for ripping music (mp3, flac etc.) in linux?

Ok, apparently k3b allows me to rip in every format other than mp3

...and another screenshot...

Ok, I don't know how, but I somehow managed to crash Fedora while switching between stuff on my XMMS playlist .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Ok, I don't know how, but I somehow managed to crash Fedora while switching between stuff on my XMMS playlist .

Oh wow, congrats man!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Ok, I don't know how, but I somehow managed to crash Fedora while switching between stuff on my XMMS playlist .

Judging by your screenshot, I'd say you have a TMCOYD virus.

Too Much Crap On Your Desktop.

LOL

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Judging by your screenshot, I'd say you have a TMCOYD virus. Too Much Crap On Your Desktop. LOL

Yeah, that's probably it.

I was talking to the TA for my Computer Architecture class in the lab. He's a CS Grad Student. And I found out that windows actually isn't poorly written code. The problem is bad design, and it's very costly to abondon the current one and start fresh. Basically, everything is packed in the Windows kernel, the gui, everything. And the reason why it crashes so much is not because of bad code, but really bugy display drivers for new video cards which takes ages to debug, and by the time they are debugged, they're obsolete (or just really old). So if a window crashes, the entire freakin OS does too. As opposed to linux, where KDE/Gnome (whatever gui you use) is not in the kernel and if it crashes, all you have to do is restrart the gui (kill process and restart). Plus, the file managment system in Linux makes it far more stable too, and the fact that the kernel is "minimal" compared to Windows. Anyways, that doesn't change the fact that I hate Microsoft.

Edit=Typos

Edit2: So bad design means that windows still sucks!

Edit3: So what I'm basically saying is (since I noticed I didn't clearly describe it earlie and merely gave an example) that the problem with Windows is everything being packed into the kernel and one thing crashing causes the whole damn OS to crash.

So I feel somewhat limited by Fedora due to the lack of frequency of package updates (like glib and GTK etc). What else what you guys recommend? I'm thinking about installing Ubuntu.

Edit: The only thing I want to avoid is the pain of installing Linux since I've only installed Mandrake and Fedora before, and they have conveniet installation wizards that pretty much do everything for you. But it seems inevitable if I want to switch to something better.

Edit2: So is there any drawback in installing KUbuntu as opposed to Ubuntu?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z So I feel somewhat limited by Fedora due to the lack of frequency of package updates (like glib and GTK etc). What else what you guys recommend? I'm thinking about installing Ubuntu. Edit: The only thing I want to avoid is the pain of installing Linux since I've only installed Mandrake and Fedora before, and they have conveniet installation wizards that pretty much do everything for you. But it seems inevitable if I want to switch to something better. Edit2: So is there any drawback in installing KUbuntu as opposed to Ubuntu?

I have only installed Ubuntu once, but it was a really simple installation, probably as simple as for fedora or mandrake. What I have heard about Ubuntu it's a really good dist, but I haven't tried it much myself. And I really don't know the difference between kubuntu and obuntu, if you find out, it would be nice if you told us though

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z So I feel somewhat limited by Fedora due to the lack of frequency of package updates (like glib and GTK etc). What else what you guys recommend? I'm thinking about installing Ubuntu. Edit: The only thing I want to avoid is the pain of installing Linux since I've only installed Mandrake and Fedora before, and they have conveniet installation wizards that pretty much do everything for you. But it seems inevitable if I want to switch to something better. Edit2: So is there any drawback in installing KUbuntu as opposed to Ubuntu?

Hmmm...I'm acutally a bit suprised to hear that. Do you have nightly Yum updates started? Right now Yum has the most current version of the GTK2 package for FC5. FC is one of the most popular distros, along with Ubuntu and Debian, I'm not sure if the other two would be any more up do date. I guess I'm just wondering where you've had problems with out of date packages with Fedora Core.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew I have only installed Ubuntu once, but it was a really simple installation, probably as simple as for fedora or mandrake.

Ark Linux I've used this before. If you want anyone to try Linux, then I would say give this a shot. It is a fast install.

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What I have heard about Ubuntu it's a really good dist, but I haven't tried it much myself. And I really don't know the difference between kubuntu and obuntu, if you find out, it would be nice if you told us though

http://distrowatch.com/

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Hmmm...I'm acutally a bit suprised to hear that. Do you have nightly Yum updates started? Right now Yum has the most current version of the GTK2 package for FC5. FC is one of the most popular distros, along with Ubuntu and Debian, I'm not sure if the other two would be any more up do date. I guess I'm just wondering where you've had problems with out of date packages with Fedora Core.

Well, I downloaded and burned the ISO for Fedora 5 (haven't installed it yet, still using 4, mostly because I'm too busy rightnow to backup and update my OS). But remember my post earlier in this thread about getting pysoulseek/nicotine to work in Fedora? Well, I couldn't resolve all of the dependencies since the appropriate version simply weren't out there for Fedora (at the time atleast). And that annoyed me because I had to switch to Windows everytime I wanted to get onto Soulseek. Plus, it seems like installing from source (eg. tar.gz) can be problematic at times.

Oh, BTW, you were right about K3B. It kicks ass!

EDIT: Plus, I've been hearing good things about Ubuntu. Although I may still just update to Fedora 5 instead of Ubuntu.

Why use soulseek when the fxp hub is back up.....but you didn't hear that from me ;-)

Hey guys I need some advice. I've been an OSX user for 2 years but had to sell my powerbook. now i'm on an old laptop (pentium 3 M 1.33ghz 512mb ram) and i'm hating windows.

i want to try linux, but i have some questions

which is the best? i heard about symphony OS and how easy it is to use, i don't know code at all. i basically need an OS to play videos, listen to music, connect to the internet wirelessly, download with bitorrent

how do i make sure the hardware on my laptop is compatible with windows?

and lastly, is linux compatible with fat32? i have an external that i use that is in fat32 format

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Originally posted by Haunted i basically need an OS to play videos, listen to music, connect to the internet wirelessly, download with bitorrent

I've been doing all of that with Fedora for a long time. Due to copyright issues, you'll have to install MPlayer and a real MP3 plugin for Xmms yourself though, so maybe you'd be better off with a non-US distribution like Ubuntu. It's not that it's hard to install, but if you've never ever had any experience with a Unix like OS, you might want to get settled in before starting to mess about - and you want to be able to see movies and listen to music while doing that. Check
http://distrowatch.com/
for a more thorough discussion.

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Originally posted by Haunted how do i make sure the hardware on my laptop is compatible with windows?

I assume that you mean Linux? If the laptop is as old as you say it is, my bet is that it will work with any new distribution, such as FC5. However, you might want to check these first:

http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html

http://www.linux-laptop.net/

http://tuxmobil.org/

As to the FAT32 thing. Yes, Linux reads FAT drives and also the remote ones. However, M$ recently changed their licensing policies, and other companies are now required to pay them for supporting the FAT system. This may mean that the FAT-support is not included as default in the distribution - I really don't know.

99% of the people that voted Linux...

1. Voted Linux, yet still use windows on their PC's.
2. Voted Linux because who dares to be masked as a supporter of windows.
3. Voted Linux, yet have no fucking idea what it is and try to fit in with the cyber rebels of mainstream cyberspace.

I'm looking at Wolvix and Linspire, anyone have experience with those?

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Originally posted by toshirozawa 99% of the people that voted Linux... 1. Voted Linux, yet still use windows on their PC's. 2. Voted Linux because who dares to be masked as a supporter of windows. 3. Voted Linux, yet have no fucking idea what it is and try to fit in with the cyber rebels of mainstream cyberspace.

100% of the people who posted this are tools and have absolutely no way to back up what they've said.

I hope you feel better though.

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Originally posted by toshirozawa 99% of the people that voted Linux... 1. Voted Linux, yet still use windows on their PC's. 2. Voted Linux because who dares to be masked as a supporter of windows. 3. Voted Linux, yet have no fucking idea what it is and try to fit in with the cyber rebels of mainstream cyberspace.

The first retarted post in this thread. I guess it was bound to happen at some point.

Read the conclusion to this review

http://www.techtree.com/techtree/js...t_id=610&page=3

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"Linux is not ready". I can understand how harsh that may sound to you linux junkies and veterans, but that's exactly what you need to think about : I am not a linux junkie or veteran, and I didn't find it straightforward to install a new CD burning application in Xandros. I like Linux, and I want it to get better and better and with it, I also want it to become much more easier to use. Today, my mom finds her way around the internet, finds small freeware games (or demos) and is able to install and play them on her Windows XP machine. Would she be able do this on Xandros? Hell, even I can't. Not without scanning the gazillion dependencies and recompiling the source and maybe upgrading the kernel. I don't want to compile code just to be able to run one new application. I just want it to work.

discuss

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Originally posted by Haunted Read the conclusion to this review http://www.techtree.com/techtree/js...t_id=610&page=3 discuss

Linux is not as "user friendly" or as easy to install as Windows. However, I'd say that it's not meant to be. If you want an analogy its like driving a car with manual transmission (linux) vs an automatic (Windows).

If you want virtually complete control over your operating system and what goes into it, you're going to like linux. It takes time to learn what the heck you're doing and the learning curve is steep. In this respect, it's not for your Grandma or causal internet surfer. However, if you enjoy being able to completely dictate how your machine runs, and why it is doing what it is doing, you're going to like linux.

Linux takes more time to fully understand and to setup. However, once you do learn your way around, it makes "tweaking" that much easier. Linux is for those who don't mind learning a new system in order to receieve the payoff at the end. Windows is for those who just want to pop in a disk, install and surf the web/check their email. (Although with modern distros/installs of linux, you can do the exact same thing. I'm not sure how or why the author of the article had such a tough time.)

It just depends what you want.


And *gasp* I'll admit it, I have a dual boot setup with one of those being Windows XP. Why? Because I do web development and I have to see how the extremely fickle and buggy Internet Explorer works with web pages that otherwise work perfectly with other browsers. Also, if you're a "gamer" you simply have no choice other then to use Windows to run your games. I'm sure someone will tell me that they use Wine or some other emulator to due just that, but if they have all of their modern gaming aps working perfectly by that method, they are a computer genius. I'm not a "gamer" (or a genius) so I could care less.

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