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That is no way to speak to the king WTF was he thinking though especially coming from one of the smartest drivers on the grid. As a huge fan i can only say it was all upon his fault and what a chance he could've really had im so pissed! There goes our chances now

Someone must chop Superman-Coulthard

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Originally posted by fcuk � That is no way to speak to the king

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I like how all you just assume he's cheating!!!
If it was characteristic of him to throw fits, like Hakkinen, Montoya and raikkonen have then I'd be persuaded to see him as a cheater, but he isn't.
He isn't one to do things like that, and I totally disagree with the decision to strip him of his pole.

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Originally posted by sakabatou I like how all you just assume he's cheating!!! If it was characteristic of him to throw fits, like Hakkinen, Montoya and raikkonen have then I'd be persuaded to see him as a cheater, but he isn't. He isn't one to do things like that, and I totally disagree with the decision to strip him of his pole.

What the hell are you talking about? Schumacher has a long record of trying dirty manouevres for over 10 years, with some of them having decided championships. What have Hakkinen, Montoya and Raikkonen done, please enlighten me as the only thing I remember is Montoya doing some crazy overtakings on Schumacher.

Many drivers and ex-drivers have come out and said the track blocking was intentional in their opinion, and the stewards came to the same conclusion after looking at the telemetry where it was stated he braked way harder than in other laps for no reason at all. How can you say it's not cheating?

Talking about the race, I like how Monaco looks like a better overtaking circuit than Imola now Disappointed at Webber, Raikkonen and Trulli all retiring due to bad luck, that was anticlimatic. Nice comeback by Schumacher winning 17 positions in a Monaco race(!), but the championship looks won by Alonso already.

It's funny how there are so many Schumi-fans and it's remarkable they don't understand the sport

Great race by Christijan Albers.
And Schumi managed to reach Barrichello with lap times under 1:16:00 at the last laps.

really sad for Webber and Trulli.

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Originally posted by Cloud Great race by Christijan Albers.

I guess you didn't see the start. I want to read what the team is going to say about that, what a clown.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 I guess you didn't see the start. I want to read what the team is going to say about that, what a clown.

yeah i saw that. But after his pit stop his lap times were as good as Barrichelo's (!) and he reached the cars ahead of him in 10 laps. (!)

I'm not a Ferrari fanboy, never have been, but I have to agree with sabakatou. That was a very harsh and unfair decision by the stewards. Just look back to the incident from the cockpit angle. Michael didn't do anything wrong at all, there was simply no room to take his car elsewhere. The lead-up to his spin even was a mistake, he turned in too early into the Rascasse corner, causing the car to understeer. I refuse to believe that he deliberately decided to block the road in the half second that followed the understeer situation. He just didn't know where to go with the car. He would have hit the barrier trying to complete the corner, so which other option did he have? Blocking the apex was inevitable and unavoidable.

As for the race itself, I thought it was brilliant, except of course for the Kimi and Mark retirements. Alonso seems to have the championship in the bag already.

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Originally posted by Cloud yeah i saw that. But after his pit stop his lap times were as good as Barrichelo's (!) and he reached the cars ahead of him in 10 laps. (!)

fastest race laps:

1 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 74 15:42:29 160.014 1:15.143
2 3 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 19 14:27:25 159.628 1:15.325
3 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 11 14:17:12 158.898 1:15.671
4 9 Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 23 14:32:32 158.879 1:15.680
5 2 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 58 15:22:12 158.379 1:15.919
6 4 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 20 14:28:48 158.193 1:16.008
7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 40 14:56:39 156.946 1:16.612
8 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 30 14:42:27 155.791 1:17.180
9 10 Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 43 15:00:16 155.696 1:17.227
10 12 Jenson Button Honda 59 15:23:59 155.549 1:17.300
11 16 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-BMW 72 15:40:57 155.511 1:17.319
12 11 Rubens Barrichello Honda 67 15:33:23 155.509 1:17.320
13 18 Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 71 15:40:49 155.491 1:17.329
14 21 Scott Speed STR-Cosworth 77 15:47:55 155.186 1:17.481
15 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 72 15:40:58 155.068 1:17.540
16 19 Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 77 15:47:53 154.942 1:17.603
17 20 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Cosworth 75 15:44:54 154.828 1:17.660
18 17 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-BMW 74 15:44:01 154.615 1:17.767
19 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 45 15:02:50 154.452 1:17.849
20 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 19 14:28:13 154.292 1:17.930
21 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 39 14:55:31 152.602 1:18.793
22 23 Franck Montagny Super Aguri-Honda 72 15:42:57 152.002 1:19.104

Now, he doesn't look that good, does he?

Midland just happened to be decent here.

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Originally posted by TOR I'm not a Ferrari fanboy, never have been, but I have to agree with sabakatou. That was a very harsh and unfair decision by the stewards. Just look back to the incident from the cockpit angle. Michael didn't do anything wrong at all, there was simply no room to take his car elsewhere. The lead-up to his spin even was a mistake, he turned in too early into the Rascasse corner, causing the car to understeer. I refuse to believe that he deliberately decided to block the road in the half second that followed the understeer situation. He just didn't know where to go with the car. He would have hit the barrier trying to complete the corner, so which other option did he have? Blocking the apex was inevitable and unavoidable.

The stewards took the conclusion from the telemetry that he breaked much harder than usual for the corner without finding any reason. Maybe he was deliberately trying to spin already entering the corner, then when it didn't work out he makes that incomprehensible 2nd correction when the car isn't locked up anymore. Or yes he did decide to block the road in a half-second, have you forgotten he has several times decided to cause accidents in a impulse?

Either way, the FIA have lately been very harsh, remember the Fisi-JV incident at Nurburgring? JV was taken off his 3 fastest laps even if the stewards stated there was no way to say if it was deliberate. Stopping on the circuit to get pole is a worse offence, the driver has a record of previous offences, and the stewards came to the conclusion that it was deliberate. I think it was the right decision.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 fastest race laps: 1 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 74 15:42:29 160.014 1:15.143 2 3 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 19 14:27:25 159.628 1:15.325 3 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 11 14:17:12 158.898 1:15.671 4 9 Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 23 14:32:32 158.879 1:15.680 5 2 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 58 15:22:12 158.379 1:15.919 6 4 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 20 14:28:48 158.193 1:16.008 7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 40 14:56:39 156.946 1:16.612 8 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 30 14:42:27 155.791 1:17.180 9 10 Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 43 15:00:16 155.696 1:17.227 10 12 Jenson Button Honda 59 15:23:59 155.549 1:17.300 11 16 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-BMW 72 15:40:57 155.511 1:17.319 12 11 Rubens Barrichello Honda 67 15:33:23 155.509 1:17.320 13 18 Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 71 15:40:49 155.491 1:17.329 14 21 Scott Speed STR-Cosworth 77 15:47:55 155.186 1:17.481 15 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 72 15:40:58 155.068 1:17.540 16 19 Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 77 15:47:53 154.942 1:17.603 17 20 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Cosworth 75 15:44:54 154.828 1:17.660 18 17 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-BMW 74 15:44:01 154.615 1:17.767 19 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 45 15:02:50 154.452 1:17.849 20 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 19 14:28:13 154.292 1:17.930 21 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 39 14:55:31 152.602 1:18.793 22 23 Franck Montagny Super Aguri-Honda 72 15:42:57 152.002 1:19.104 Now, he doesn't look that good, does he? Midland just happened to be decent here.

Read my post again

Ok, you say he was driving on the level of supposedly faster cars. So was his team-mate, even faster at times, your point?

Monteiro also didn't need many laps to close down on Montagny, too bad he then needed about 40 laps and a push to pass him.

i said he was driving really fast after his pit-stop .

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Originally posted by paranoik0 The stewards took the conclusion from the telemetry that he breaked much harder than usual for the corner without finding any reason.

Because he turned in too early, making the angle at which he approached the second part of corner much narrower?

I'd like to see which lap time he was on at that particular moment, because I'm not willing to jump to conclusions. If it is true, then I would be extremely disappointed by the unprofessionalism displayed by a guy of that status.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 Maybe he was deliberately trying to spin already entering the corner, then when it didn't work out he makes that incomprehensible 2nd correction when the car isn't locked up anymore

He was still travelling at pretty high speed after the lock-up, so the correction was needed to avoid the barriers. Going straight on and hitting the breaks was the only thing he could do to avoid damage to the car (he would have damaged the left front pretty heavily if he carried on).

I have to say that i'm very impressed that all 22 cars were still running and there had been no major accident for the first big stint of the race. I was expecting carnage at the beginning like the previous few years.

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Originally posted by TOR

Can u explain me your sig?

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Originally posted by TOR Because he turned in too early, making the angle at which he approached the second part of corner much narrower?

i don't think it adds up because in my mind he had to break hard *approaching the corner* which is about the same time or before he picks a poor line, meaning he was already predicting a fuck up.

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Originally posted by TOR I'd like to see which lap time he was on at that particular moment, because I'm not willing to jump to conclusions. If it is true, then I would be extremely disappointed by the unprofessionalism displayed by a guy of that status.

I don't know the exact lap times, but people on autosport forums were saying he wasn't improving his (at the moment provisionary pole) time. Alonso was beating it.

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Originally posted by TOR He was still travelling at pretty high speed after the lock-up, so the correction was needed to avoid the barriers. Going straight on and hitting the breaks was the only thing he could do to avoid damage to the car (he would have damaged the left front pretty heavily if he carried on).

Hum no, the thing he needed to do to avoid the barriers was to keep turning right.

Look at the onboard (here is an youtube link), he is turning right then moves the wheel back to straight position to avoid a spin as there's a lock-up, turns right again then does a second correction which is totally un-necessary since the car is already under control and not moving anywhere as fast (unlike you seem to claim). Only when the car is already impossible to turn without hitting the wall he decides to go right for once.

I know the video is slow-motion, so things were a lot faster but still it doesn't make any sense to do that correction, the whole thing looks very odd.

Kimi should just quit Mclaren.....its always his car and not that shitty bastard Montoya's

Schumi did well coming back from the grid. Alot of coverage on him.....guessing the media wanted him to have one of those dream back to front wins so they can continue the stories of him being a cheat

Also for the american F1 fans how AWFUL is CBS!!! Its almost like a joke if we showed the CBS coverage to Paradork/Cloud etc they would laugh uncontrolably(sp)

What a great race, i enjoyed watching MS travel from pitlane to 5th and also lovely driving by Raikkonen and Webber poor bastards always has problems especially in races where they can achieve a podium finish.

The only way that Michael can catch up is if Alonso has a DNF or finishes outside the points in some races. This was a crucial race for MS I hope in Silverstone they get it right again.

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 Also for the american F1 fans how AWFUL is CBS!!! Its almost like a joke if we showed the CBS coverage to Paradork/Cloud etc they would laugh uncontrolably(sp)

At the Barcelona race one of our commentators kept on saying the 10 first placed would get points.

In another race they labeled an overtake as "Ronaldinho style".

Everyone thinks their coverage is shit.

Down here in Australia they don't know what there on about

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 Kimi should just quit Mclaren.....its always his car and not that shitty bastard Montoya's

It's so sad for Kimi, his car really sucks. Last year he DNF because of technical issues 8 times and this year it's all the same again.

He will never sign a new contract with McLaren, why should he do that? Most of the time he shows everyone that he has the speed to compete with Alonso but his car always drags him down. So I'm sure he'll go to Ferrari or Renault next year. Of course Renault would be the better decision if Todt, Brown & co leave Ferrari at the end of the season.

And good luck to Alonso next year when he has to deal with the Mercedes engine

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