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Originally posted by ronk step back? so that the Hezbollah shitheads would have the opportunity to fire some more missiles, and not return our soldiers? Israel has its demands first, and if I'm not mistaken they're: return all 3 soldiers alive, disarm Hezbollah and place the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon. then, I think Israel has the right to THINK about stepping back.

Look, i understand why Israel reacted like they did, but violence will bring about more violence. I dont have the intel they have but if im not mistaken the IDF has already bombed the major hezbollah targets, so in my opinion the airstriking unless its for more specific hezbollah targets are unwarranted. They could have an increased military presence in southern lebanon for a while or whatnot to force the hand of the Lebanese government to react, and to diminish the hezbollah presence. Mind you that what i am trying to say is that the airstrikes should stop as they're usefulness dimishes every time a major target is hit because every time there's less and less targets that are viable and safely (little to no collateral damage) bombable.

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Originally posted by venomX ... but violence will bring about more violence.

always been my philosophy

25 Lebanese die in fresh Israeli raids

"Israeli warplanes have killed at least 25 civilians and wounded 33 others in a series of new air attacks on southern Lebanon"


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...E461210664B.htm

THE VILE FILTHY TERRORIST ISREALI DEATH SQUAD HAS KILLED 8 INNOCENT CANADIAN CITIZENS. FUCK THEM AND THEIR CANCEROUS EXISTENCE

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Originally posted by cluBBer man your living in a fucking movie , come out of it. There are only one kind of terrorists on planet , MUSLIMS

That's a very ignorant generalisation, it may be very hard for you to comprehend but Israel is an extremely bad perpetrator of "state-sanctioned terrorism" along with Russia, Indonesia, USA, et al.

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Wikipedia on State Terrorism: Israel During the al-Aqsa Intifada, Israel engaged in tactics and controversial military operations that resulted in criticism of its policies and actions. According to Dr. Lev Grinberg, a political sociologist at Ben Gurion University, Israel's actions constituted state terrorism[6]. Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdo�an and CNN founder Ted Turner have also referred to some of the acts as examples of state terrorism.[7][8] In a July 29, 2005 interview in the Nazareth-based Arab-Israeli newspaper Kul al-Arab, former Israeli Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni stated that "terror utilized by Israel in the territories is worse than Palestinian terrorism"[9]. Military operations into Palestinian territory, the alleged harassment of Palestinian civilians by both military personnel and Israeli citizens, and the deaths of civilians during the assassination of Arab militant leaders have also resulted in human-rights criticism. For example, in 1982, an assassination attempt on Yasser Arafat killed 200 people when a Beirut apartment block was destroyed by an Israeli bomb, and in 1985, 73 people were killed in another assassination attempt on Arafat in Tunis. [10].

This is only a small example, and by no means justifies the abhorrent Palestinian terrorism against Israel, but Israel can never claim the moral highground over the Palestinians for as long as their military is culpable of state-sanctioned terrorism.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King THE VILE FILTHY TERRORIST ISREALI DEATH SQUAD HAS KILLED 8 INNOCENT CANADIAN CITIZENS. FUCK THEM AND THEIR CANCEROUS EXISTENCE

Someone get this guy some tissues

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Originally posted by Cyrus King THE VILE FILTHY TERRORIST ISREALI DEATH SQUAD HAS KILLED 8 INNOCENT CANADIAN CITIZENS. FUCK THEM AND THEIR CANCEROUS EXISTENCE

that's very sad hopefully this will bring pressure onto Israel from the world to stop this insane and disproportionate response by the Israeli army.

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Originally posted by tathi hopefully this will bring pressure onto Israel from the world to stop this insane and disproportionate response by the Israeli army.

Well the IDF has been doing it for 40 years. Occupying other countries seems to be policy no matter what anyone else thinks. U.S. included.

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http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-07-16-voa41.cfm Canada's foreign ministry says seven Canadian citizens have been killed by Israeli air strikes in Lebanon and three other Canadians have been wounded. On Sunday, Israeli forces hit the house where the Canadians were staying in southern Lebanon, near the Israeli border. Earlier, Canadian foreign minister Peter MacKay said eight Canadians had died in Lebanon, but a spokesperson, citing updated information, late Sunday revised the number to seven. Lebanese police said at least five of the Canadians were from the same family. News reports said the family was vacationing in Lebanon. The Israeli Army issued a statement saying it had warned civilians to get out of the area because it was used by Hezbollah to fire missiles into Israel. The statement said responsibility for the deaths rests entirely with Hezbollah.

That is pathetic, does the Israeli army truly believe that they are above any blame for the deaths of these Canadians? They may aswell say: "the responsibility for the deaths of the 7 Canadians rests on the USA for funding our trigger-happy military"

what most of the zionists here dont realize is that this retaliation will not make them safer at all.They are creating more and and more enemies for themselves.

I have a feeling that Isreal is about to face a huge disaster and a war that will last for years to come.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer what most of the zionists here dont realize is that this retaliation will not make them safer at all.They are creating more and and more enemies for themselves.

What are you going on about?
What "more" enemies are there?
It's the same asshats as before, they're just getting spanked.
I'm sure if Israel wanted to, they could make Lebanon a pile of rubble in a couple of days.
Maybe you should asking yourself why it is they're not; you might surprise yourself with the answers.

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I have a feeling that Isreal is about to face a huge disaster and a war that will last for years to come.

Unless Lebanon steps up to help rid themselves of their extremist infestation, you'd be right about one thing, the time factor goes way up....

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I have a feeling that the region is about to face a huge disaster and a war that will last for years to come.

fixed.

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Originally posted by tathi That is pathetic, does the Israeli army truly believe that they are above any blame for the deaths of these Canadians? They may aswell say: "the responsibility for the deaths of the 7 Canadians rests on the USA for funding our trigger-happy military"

My question is, why were they still there???

I realize they may have been trapped recently but it's not like they weren't cognisant of the situation before they arrived...

This is not good...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer what most of the zionists here dont realize is that this retaliation will not make them safer at all.They are creating more and and more enemies for themselves. I have a feeling that Isreal is about to face a huge disaster and a war that will last for years to come.

wow, great baghdad bob impersonation.

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My question is, why were they still there???

no airport, cant travel by sea, the only refuge is syria... pick any of the reasons.

the siege began immidiately, so i dont think they realized how much time they had to get the f out.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Unless Lebanon steps up to help rid themselves of their extremist infestation, you'd be right about one thing, the time factor goes way up....

i was watching the news hour with him lehrer and the analysis there seemed to be that the lebanese government is absolutely powerless to remove hezbollah from their country. theyre better armed, and they mentioned something i didnt quite grasp, about hezbollah's 'ace in the hole'. something to do with changing how parliament seats are awarded, which would put even more seats in hezbollah hands.

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G8 urges 'extremists' to stop Middle East attacks By Stephanie Kennedy and wires The leaders of the Group of Eight (G8) nations meeting in the Russian city of St Petersburg have called for a cease-fire in the Middle East. The escalating crisis in Israel and Lebanon dominated the meeting of leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States. At the end of a four-hour discussion, the G8 leaders issued a statement calling on the "extremists" to halt their attacks. The leaders are also pressuring Israel, arguing that it was "critical that Israel, while exercising the right to defend itself, be mindful of the strategic and humanitarian consequences of its actions". The leaders have told Israel to "refrain from acts that would destabilise the Lebanese government" and to avoid civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure. Israel has welcomed the statement by the G8 group, saying it put the onus on Hezbollah to free two Israeli soldiers and halt rocket fire on the Jewish state. "Israel concurs with the position of the international community, which places responsibility for the conflict on extremist elements," Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said. "(Israel) sees the path to a solution through the release of the abducted soldiers, a cessation of rocket fire on Israel, and full implementation of (UN) resolution 1559," she said in a statement. "Israel will cooperate with international parties to turn these principles into concrete diplomatic action."

That'll work. "You boys stop killing those boys"

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i was watching the news hour with him lehrer and the analysis there seemed to be that the lebanese government is absolutely powerless to remove hezbollah from their country. theyre better armed, and they mentioned something i didnt quite grasp, about hezbollah's 'ace in the hole'. something to do with changing how parliament seats are awarded, which would put even more seats in hezbollah hands.

that still doesnt mean that they should just allow them to operate there.

Has anyone else noticed the lack of coverage about Palestine? has it been forgotten - what's going on there?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i was watching the news hour with him lehrer and the analysis there seemed to be that the lebanese government is absolutely powerless to remove hezbollah from their country. theyre better armed, and they mentioned something i didnt quite grasp, about hezbollah's 'ace in the hole'. something to do with changing how parliament seats are awarded, which would put even more seats in hezbollah hands.

Well that just throws a hairball into things...(the parliament thing I'm talking about).

Not too surprised about Hezbollah being better armed though.
With Syria recently departing Lebanon, the Lebanese military obviously wasn't stablized enough, even though Syria thought so during their departure.
I can't understand why since Hezbollah were still firing rockets into Israel at that time...

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Originally posted by Goashem that still doesnt mean that they should just allow them to operate there.

so, what exactly would you suggest? the analysis i saw (and im hardly an expert so am forced to take it at face value) was that the lebanese government were powerless to stop them.

re the parliament, it was something about how the seats of parliament are organised by religion or something. but if hezbollah wanted to, they could force it to be by popular vote of which they have a lot more than their 30 odd seats currently.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r My question is, why were they still there??? I realize they may have been trapped recently but it's not like they weren't cognisant of the situation before they arrived... This is not good...

Israel bombed the airport and the major roads leaving the country, it costs 300pounds for a three hour taxi ride to Damascus. There are about 1000 Australians in Lebanon now :/

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What are you going on about? What "more" enemies are there?

I think he means that world opinion of Israel has changed after their disproportionately bellicose response to Hezbollah's terror attacks, and while this will only draw criticism from the west, it has the potential to turn moderate allies like Jordan and Egypt against them.

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Originally posted by skot_e Has anyone else noticed the lack of coverage about Palestine? has it been forgotten - what's going on there?

If you watched Dateline the other night it showed the IDF shooting at the media to create a media blackout in Gaza, so it probably isn't good

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Originally posted by tathi Israel bombed the airport and the major roads leaving the country, it costs 300pounds for a three hour taxi ride to Damascus. There are about 1000 Australians in Lebanon now :/

That is understandable but I was kinda refering to leaving even before that.
I'll never understand people willingly vactioning in world hotspots....meh...

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I think he means that world opinion of Israel has changed after their disproportionately bellicose response to Hezbollah's terror attacks, and while this will only draw criticism from the west, it has the potential to turn moderate allies like Jordan and Egypt against them.

He should hire you to be his translator tathi; that makes much more sense.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so, what exactly would you suggest? the analysis i saw (and im hardly an expert so am forced to take it at face value) was that the lebanese government were powerless to stop them. re the parliament, it was something about how the seats of parliament are organised by religion or something. but if hezbollah wanted to, they could force it to be by popular vote of which they have a lot more than their 30 odd seats currently.

i dont know im not a politician. plead for UN/US assistance, let israeli forces into the hezbollah controled area to get rid of them, have a media campaign to sway the public opinion against hezbollah. all fine by me. of course any israeli operation should be closely monitored by the international community.

Guys.. what are we even doing? It's god's chosen people wiping out the "dirty arabs".. let them bomb those bastards and claim the whole mid-east region as theirs. After all it's their god given right to bomb the whole fucking world and call everyone a terrorist.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I'm sure if Israel wanted to, they could make Lebanon a pile of rubble in a couple of days.

WOW
I guess you really havent been watching what a disaster Lebenon has become in past few days.

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Unless Lebanon steps up to help rid themselves of their extremist infestation, you'd be right about one thing, the time factor goes way up....

This is bullshit.How are you expecting Lebenon to solve anything when thay are getting their asses bombed by the filthy zionists?

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