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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 wow...I am so hung over. why do I always wake up at 8am after a night of hard drinking? I used to be able to sleep through that shit. Fuck I'm getting old.

it's kyle farnsworth's fault

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Originally posted by verndogs it's kyle farnsworth's fault

hey he's been showing some spunk lately! I nearly died when he struck Sheff out last weekend. I fucking love the crowd at Yankee Stadium...best baseball fans EVER (well along with Sox fans)

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 hey he's been showing some spunk lately! I nearly died when he struck Sheff out last weekend. I fucking love the crowd at Yankee Stadium...best baseball fans EVER (well along with Sox fans)

both fan bases pale in comparison to cardinals fans...it's not even debatable

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Originally posted by verndogs both fan bases pale in comparison to cardinals fans...it's not even debatable

yep, but you know in ESPN-Country no teams exist east of New York.

btw next week's match-up:


Dice-K vs Petite
Beckett vs Clemens
Schilling vs Wang


Sox win 2 out of 3.

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Originally posted by verndogs both fan bases pale in comparison to cardinals fans...it's not even debatable

are you sure? It seems to me that (when it's full) Yankee Stadium is the loudest place to see a good game...both on TV or in person. I don't watch the Cards much but I didn't get that impression when I watched the World Series.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 are you sure? It seems to me that (when it's full) Yankee Stadium is the loudest place to see a good game...both on TV or in person. I don't watch the Cards much but I didn't get that impression when I watched the World Series.

yes. st. louis is a shithole of a city that is rich in baseball tradition. the cardinals are the only thing the city has to look forward to these days. and yes I've been to a game last season at the new busch stadium



their fans also travel well.

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Originally posted by verndogs yes. st. louis is a shithole of a city that is rich in baseball tradition. the cardinals are the only thing the city has to look forward to these days. and yes I've been to a game last season at the new busch stadium their fans also travel well.

well I'd say they're the biggest team (history, success, fanbase) in the National League but bigger than the Yankees? I don't know...but then again I"m an unabashed AL fan and couldn't give a shit about the Cardinals. I was cheering for the Tigers last year.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 well I'd say they're the biggest team (history, success, fanbase) in the National League but bigger than the Yankees? I don't know...but then again I"m an unabashed AL fan and couldn't give a shit about the Cardinals. I was cheering for the Tigers last year.

do you have mlb.tv? if yes just watch some Cardinals home games in archive, their fans are so much better than the Yankees.

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Originally posted by Rockabye do you have mlb.tv? if yes just watch some Cardinals home games in archive, their fans are so much better than the Yankees.

for loudness? is that what makes a crowd good though?

There are certain "baseball towns" in North America and St. Louis is definitely one of them...but listen to crowds say, in Toronto or even Seattle. It's not the same as being at Busch, Yankee Stadium, Wrigley, Shea, Fenway, etc.

I would one day like to see Busch stadium but as Vern says, St. Louis only have their sports and not much else to see. At least when I drag my friends to NYC every couple of years there's lots of stuff to do around trips to Yankee Stadium.

To say the Cardinal fans are BETTER than the Yankees fans is a serious stretch. I highly doubt you can come to that conclusion by visiting one game, one time, one year. To say the Cards fans AND the Yankees fans are the most passionate in baseball, then I'll agree. I'd put them 1a and 1b. Both are loud and knowledgeable (when to clap, curtain calls, stand up for 2 strikes, funny when mocking the other players, etc). I've seen countless players say that Yankee stadium is by far the best place to play because of the fans.

Baseball players opinions >>> Vern's opinion

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Originally posted by Member of X To say the Cardinal fans are BETTER than the Yankees fans is a serious stretch. I highly doubt you can come to that conclusion by visiting one game, one time, one year. To say the Cards fans AND the Yankees fans are the most passionate in baseball, then I'll agree. I'd put them 1a and 1b. Both are loud and knowledgeable (when to clap, curtain calls, stand up for 2 strikes, funny when mocking the other players, etc). I've seen countless players say that Yankee stadium is by far the best place to play because of the fans. Baseball players opinions >>> Vern's opinion

yeah man...that's what I was thinking too. It's all true...I've been there many times now to see it in person.

Remember when Paul O'Neil played his last game in 2001 (game 5 WS). The way the crowd chanted his name was like nothing I've ever seen.

vern is on crack... Cards Fans the best... LOL... wow

Cards fans are a bunch of OLD PEOPLE... its a joke... now way Cards fans can EVEN touch Yanks/Sox fans... thats just ridiculous...

and FYI, OLD PEOPLE don't get loud or excited... except for Juice of course!

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Originally posted by King Ecnal vern is on crack... Cards Fans the best... LOL... wow Cards fans are a bunch of OLD PEOPLE... its a joke... now way Cards fans can EVEN touch Yanks/Sox fans... thats just ridiculous... and FYI, OLD PEOPLE don't get loud or excited... except for Juice of course!

That was funny!

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Originally posted by Member of X To say the Cardinal fans are BETTER than the Yankees fans is a serious stretch.

not at all. there is a reason why they call St. Louis "Baseball Heaven"

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Originally posted by Member of X I highly doubt you can come to that conclusion by visiting one game, one time, one year.

I normally don't make generalizations like this, but I was overwhelmed with Redbird mania when I went last year. More than half the people walking around St. Louis had a red. No one would ever shut up about the Cardinals. They just love baseball out there.

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Originally posted by Member of X To say the Cards fans AND the Yankees fans are the most passionate in baseball, then I'll agree. I'd put them 1a and 1b. Both are loud and knowledgeable (when to clap, curtain calls, stand up for 2 strikes, funny when mocking the other players, etc).

They're intense, loyal and positive fans. They're very respectful fans sans Tino Martinez coming back to St. Louis as a Yankee.

Red Sox/Yanks fans are loyal, intense, and knowledgeable, but obnoxious as hell

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Originally posted by Member of X I've seen countless players say that Yankee stadium is by far the best place to play because of the fans. Baseball players opinions >>> Vern's opinion

that's because the spotlight is bigger, the pressure is there. the NY Media is vicious. the fans are vocal. it's the reason why basketball players love playing at Madison Square Garden.

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Originally posted by Lancey Pants vern has a point... Cards Fans the best... Cards fans are a bunch of die hards... its not a joke... now way Yanks/Sox fans can EVEN touch Cards fans... thats just ridiculous... and FYI, OLD PEOPLE don't get loud or excited... especially Juice! PS: rams >>>>>>>>>>> pats

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Originally posted by verndogs not at all. there is a reason why they call St. Louis "Baseball Heaven" I normally don't make generalizations like this, but I was overwhelmed with Redbird mania when I went last year. More than half the people walking around St. Louis had a red. No one would ever shut up about the Cardinals. They just love baseball out there. They're intense, loyal and positive fans. They're very respectful fans sans Tino Martinez coming back to St. Louis as a Yankee. Red Sox/Yanks fans are just obnoxious as hell that's because the spotlight is bigger, the pressure is there. the NY Media is vicious. the fans are vocal. it's the reason why basketball players love playing at Madison Square Garden. corrected

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I would one day like to see Busch stadium but as Vern says, St. Louis only have their sports and not much else to see.

the anheuser-busch brewery and that's about it. The locals recommended that if I wanted to explore more of St. Louis, bring a bullet proof vest.

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Originally posted by SolemnThirsty 30-3 the orioles didn't show up to play, wha a big spit in the face

Hey hey! I am le back! I've been busy lately. The funniest part, apart from the fact that a 110 year spell has been cast since the last 30+ run game, is that Texas Rangers set a MLB record for most runs in a doubleheader ...



























... before the second game of the doubleheader even began!

And my Braves have started to freefall now, six back of Mets:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Wickman designated for assignment
Veteran closer converted 20 of 26 save opportunities

Adam Dunn said goodbye to Bob Wickman's 12th-inning fastball on Thursday night, and the Braves said goodbye to Wickman on Friday afternoon.
Somewhat surprisingly, the Braves announced Friday that they've designated Wickman for assignment. This wasn't a move made to free up a roster spot. Instead, it's one that essentially puts an end to the veteran closer's days in Atlanta.

"I just want to try something else," said Braves manager Bobby Cox, while seemingly attempting to avoid saying anything negative about Wickman, who posted a 3.92 ERA in 49 appearances and blew six of his 26 save opportunities this year.

While Cox was diplomatic, Andruw Jones provided an indication that Wickman sometimes complained about pitching in non-save situations, like the one he entered in Thursday night's extra-inning loss to the Reds.

By the time the 12th inning arrived Thursday, the only remaining available relievers were Wickman and Oscar Villarreal, who would have pitched every inning that followed the 12th.

"We need guys who want to pitch," Jones said. "If you don't want to pitch you shouldn't be here."

I shall never concede victory to Vern, it's implausible that it could be that way but anyway here was a ranking on ESPN about the best baseball fans:

1. St. Louis -- The Red Sea is 1,450 miles long and 205 miles wide, covers 175,000 square miles and has an average depth of more than 1,700 feet. The largest red sea, however, is during a St. Louis home game when the entire crowd is wearing Cardinals garb. From the days of the Gashouse Gang through the great powerhouses of the '60s and '80s to today, St. Louis has loyally supported its beloved Cardinals. Raised on Harry Caray and Jack Buck, St. Louis fans are knowledgeable, appreciative and always supportive. Despite the town's size, the Cardinals have drawn more than three million fans five years in a row and have drawn fewer than the league average only once in the past two decades.

4. New York -- Gotham fans are among the loudest, most passionate and knowledgeable in baseball. The bleacher fans' Roll Call continues a great tradition of vocal, in-your-face loyal fans (remember Brooklyn's cowbell-ringing Hilda Chester?). Even if these aren't the greatest fans in baseball, you'll never convince them they aren't. So why don't we rank NYC higher? Because this city also lost two teams, and until very recently the Yankees' attendance was disappointing for the most successful team in history playing in the largest city in the country -- from 1989-98, the Yankees' total attendance was below the league average.

a lot of the reason for poor attendance in the 80s and 90s were subpar teams (especially late 80s early 90s) and the safety issue of the Bronx. I noticed quite a heavy police presence around the Stadium when I first started going 4 years ago but according to my dad and uncle, it was a really scary place after the game on a weekday evening. My uncle nearly was mugged in 1984 but knocked the guy over and took off...no police in sight!

Thankfully that isn't the case anymore. Anyway, which teams were 2 and 3? Red Sox and Cubs?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 a lot of the reason for poor attendance in the 80s and 90s were subpar teams (especially late 80s early 90s) and the safety issue of the Bronx.

funny thing is that from what I've heard from old timers was that it was actually a nice middle class neighborhood resembling Wrigleyville in the 50s and 60s. The whole neighborhood got hit hard in the 70s when all of NYC went to hell.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium And my Braves have started to freefall now, six back of Mets: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb Wickman designated for assignment Veteran closer converted 20 of 26 save opportunities Adam Dunn said goodbye to Bob Wickman's 12th-inning fastball on Thursday night, and the Braves said goodbye to Wickman on Friday afternoon. Somewhat surprisingly, the Braves announced Friday that they've designated Wickman for assignment. This wasn't a move made to free up a roster spot. Instead, it's one that essentially puts an end to the veteran closer's days in Atlanta. "I just want to try something else," said Braves manager Bobby Cox, while seemingly attempting to avoid saying anything negative about Wickman, who posted a 3.92 ERA in 49 appearances and blew six of his 26 save opportunities this year. While Cox was diplomatic, Andruw Jones provided an indication that Wickman sometimes complained about pitching in non-save situations, like the one he entered in Thursday night's extra-inning loss to the Reds. By the time the 12th inning arrived Thursday, the only remaining available relievers were Wickman and Oscar Villarreal, who would have pitched every inning that followed the 12th. "We need guys who want to pitch," Jones said. "If you don't want to pitch you shouldn't be here."

that took me by surprise. who's going to close now?

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Originally posted by verndogs that took me by surprise. who's going to close now?

Rafael Soriano

2. Cincinnati -- How good a baseball town is this? The city throws a parade on opening day. It drew 40,000 for a softball game two weeks ago. Not even Marge Schott could destroy the city's interest in baseball. And when you consider the players the city has given baseball -- Pete Rose, the Griffeys, the Bells and Barry Larkin, just to name a few -- it's clear that the Reds mascot deserves his swelled head.

Fenway Park
No matter what happens between the lines, the Fenway Faithful are there.
3. Boston -- We would say baseball is a religion here but that would be shorting baseball. Fenway is a cathedral, and unlike most churches, it's always full. People here live and die by the Red Sox. In other words, they mostly die. But what passionate deaths.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium And my Braves have started to freefall now, six back of Mets: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb Wickman designated for assignment Veteran closer converted 20 of 26 save opportunities Adam Dunn said goodbye to Bob Wickman's 12th-inning fastball on Thursday night, and the Braves said goodbye to Wickman on Friday afternoon. Somewhat surprisingly, the Braves announced Friday that they've designated Wickman for assignment. This wasn't a move made to free up a roster spot. Instead, it's one that essentially puts an end to the veteran closer's days in Atlanta. "I just want to try something else," said Braves manager Bobby Cox, while seemingly attempting to avoid saying anything negative about Wickman, who posted a 3.92 ERA in 49 appearances and blew six of his 26 save opportunities this year. While Cox was diplomatic, Andruw Jones provided an indication that Wickman sometimes complained about pitching in non-save situations, like the one he entered in Thursday night's extra-inning loss to the Reds. By the time the 12th inning arrived Thursday, the only remaining available relievers were Wickman and Oscar Villarreal, who would have pitched every inning that followed the 12th. "We need guys who want to pitch," Jones said. "If you don't want to pitch you shouldn't be here."

this is a very surprising news to pop up this late in the season, especially with atlanta still in the wild card chase.

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