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Originally posted by erdega and what's the story with his "girlfriend" if they don't know who he is ? It seems too typical to calm people down by derailing the cause

some people were saying the guy he shot(and killed) in the dorm (jay something) was frolicking with his GF.

random murderous postulation.

Two shooters.

First shooter went in to kill his girlfriend since he was pissed at her for some undetermined reason. He had to kill the RA to get to his girlfriend. After the deed was done, he left campus. Police show up and tend to the isolated (as it would seem) incident (which they stated was domestic in nature).

Two hours later, another shooter who randomly planned to kill people and was superfishyfuckingcrazy decides to kill a class of kids. So, he gets chains and bars up a class, which he proceeds to kill, then kill himself.

...profit?

Yeah, I dunno. Sounds more realistic than just one REALLY crazy super pissed shooter. That'd be some new kind of jaded.

grassy knoll

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Originally posted by igottaknow grassy knoll

Possibly where the shooter that killed the RA and his girlfriend is now currently spending a brief vacation at.

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Originally posted by david.sound Asians are the new scapegoat? First the Indians, then the African Americans, now it's the Asians. Gosh.

Erm... you do know about the U.S. Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, right? Wong Kim Ark is probably among the most important unknown people in History

Not to mention that, by Asian, it could well be someone from the Middle East, South Asia, South-east Asia as well as East Asia, or he could even be American with (some) non-European ancestry.

Anyway, what's the relevance of this? It's as useless as saying he was a guy and/or he was wearing a red shirt. The main point is - why the hell did he do this?

unbelievable huge tragedy... world is full of sick fucks

innocent young people full of joy and loving life. they should live and live and live may their souls rest in peace.

So to those who want the gun laws to be made stricter, I would like the specific things outlined that you would like to see enacted. I personally don't think I could walk down to Walmart and purchase a firearm since I don't have a concealed weapons license. Should there be more advanced firearm training required before someone can obtain a concealed weapons license? Does that equate to the world actually being safer if the person behind the firearm actually knows how to use it?

I think most of these types of crimes don't involve people going through legal means to obtain firearms, so I don't necessarily believe stricter gun laws would really help the situation.

Maybe taking them off the shelves at Walmart and expanding governmental operations by making people go to specially run government firearm stores to purchase their guns is the answer (which I wouldn't be in favor of).

I would like some sort of specific outline as to what you all think should be done before I hop aboard the gun control bandwagon

gunman is now attending Virgina Tech or WAS attending, until, like, he died

fucking geraldo, he's doing the social networking investigation too!

he's referring to this guy
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/

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Originally posted by Demoted So to those who want the gun laws to be made stricter, I would like the specific things outlined that you would like to see enacted. I personally don't think I could walk down to Walmart and purchase a firearm since I don't have a concealed weapons license. Should there be more advanced firearm training required before someone can obtain a concealed weapons license? Does that equate to the world actually being safer if the person behind the firearm actually knows how to use it? I think most of these types of crimes don't involve people going through legal means to obtain firearms, so I don't necessarily believe stricter gun laws would really help the situation. Maybe taking them off the shelves at Walmart and expanding governmental operations by making people go to specially run government firearm stores to purchase their guns is the answer (which I wouldn't be in favor of). I would like some sort of specific outline as to what you all think should be done before I hop aboard the gun control bandwagon

gun conrtrol is a lost cause in the US. the market is flooded with weapons.

as vader said "its too late for me, son". unlucky americans.

go aussie!

a sad day indeed. i found out during lunchtime. anyways, this is messed up the news reported the killer could not be identified, because he got shot in the face? wow.

anyways, yeah this sucks for people who had to go through this type of terror. fortunately, i was not part of a gun-wielding student, but i was in a crowd of a knife wielding student when i was in high school. fortunately, he cut a couple of kids, but none died or was seriously hurt. there was another time the f.b.i. came and was questioning random students about their involvement with a certain student they were looking for.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch i was not part of a gun-wielding student

How do I shoop whoop?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN gun conrtrol is a lost cause in the US. the market is flooded with weapons. as vader said "its too late for me, son". unlucky americans. go aussie!

Yep. And I really don't think guns are the cause of the problem. The underlying theme seems to be with how kids are raised these days, not their access to firearms.

I could be wrong, but I honestly don't see the correlation that all the gun control proponents see in the legal access of firearms and the influence it has on crime.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit some people were saying the guy he shot(and killed) in the dorm (jay something) was frolicking with his GF.

how would they know that?

It just seems like a false reason to throw people off and they cook up something and people stop to care

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Originally posted by Demoted So to those who want the gun laws to be made stricter, I would like the specific things outlined that you would like to see enacted. I personally don't think I could walk down to Walmart and purchase a firearm since I don't have a concealed weapons license. Should there be more advanced firearm training required before someone can obtain a concealed weapons license? Does that equate to the world actually being safer if the person behind the firearm actually knows how to use it? I think most of these types of crimes don't involve people going through legal means to obtain firearms, so I don't necessarily believe stricter gun laws would really help the situation. Maybe taking them off the shelves at Walmart and expanding governmental operations by making people go to specially run government firearm stores to purchase their guns is the answer (which I wouldn't be in favor of). I would like some sort of specific outline as to what you all think should be done before I hop aboard the gun control bandwagon

What does a concealed weapons permit have to do with gun ownership?

Stricter gun laws most likely would not have changed the scenario that played out today or many other days. However, the ability for a pissed off 18 year old to walk into a gun store, purchase a high powered rifle with hollow point ammunition and walk out 40 minutes later seems a tad off to me. Mandatory gun safety certifications or waiting periods for all guns would, perhaps, save a few lives every year.

So many deaths are accidental, I believe a contributing factor to this is the complete lack of respect Americans have toward guns. That parents don't lock them up if they have children is so fucked up to me. However, I also do not believe the state should or can make parents responsible. Further controlling access to guns will only prevent a small percentage of the deaths caused by guns but to me the cost to the state warrants the potential rewards of this.

This is all easy for me to say because I'm not Ma and Pa's Rootin' Tootin' Gun Store in Arkansas that is barely squeaking by as it is and doesn't have a training / certification center within 200 miles nor the funds to create one. Obviously thought and money would have to go into any of these suggestions.

Fingerprinting and *keeping* the fingerprints of all gun owners might at least assist in finding those who have taken lives.

Personally, when I purchased a .45 Cal Sig Sauer P220 - I *loved* our gun laws. I was 21 and had just found someone living in my house that I was renovating. Because it was a handgun I had to wait 2 weeks, a period during which I calmed down about the situation considerably. I was told during the purchase of the weapon that my information would be destroyed after 6 months of ownership.

The situation is incredibly complex, obviously it requires more than the 5 minutes I've spent typing this to come to any feasible advances in American safety, which is all gun control attempts to achieve (or should attempt to achieve).

However, if I had to prioritize gun safety amongst the long list of shit America needs to get a handle on it would be a goodly ways down the list. As dramatic as the events such as today's are, the number of vehicle deaths, smoking deaths, drug-related deaths, war-related deaths, poverty, hunger, disease, malpractice and genetic related deaths as well as the advent of global warming, Russia's multitude of unaccounted for nuclear weapons and unguarded nuclear sites (run down nuclear powered lighthouses for example) makes the occasional school shooting look like a Girl Scout cookie bake off.

Also, as I mentioned earlier, gun control as NOTHING to do with today's events or at most, very little. The psychology behind school shootings is much more relevant than gun control and will remain so regardless of the controls surrounding gun ownership. Humans are more than intelligent enough to cause misery if they want to, guns are just a really, really easy way to accomplish this.

Sorry to make the 4,000th 9/11 reference in this thread but those fellas caused a ripple to go throughout the world several orders of magnitude greater than today's perpetrator and they did it with box cutters.

Holy f'ing RANT and I'm too lazy to proofread it to ensure it's quazi-cogent.

eh, good enough, but I still don't really see how wait periods and things of that nature would in any way vastly reduce the amount of causalities to even break even with the amount of monetary damage suffered by making gun laws more strict.

Give and take type of thing I guess, and someone is going to lose. A waiting period seems plausible, but I just don't know how much of an affect that would actually have.

Oh, and I painted herpes on a kite.

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Originally posted by Demoted eh, good enough, but I still don't really see how wait periods and things of that nature would in any way vastly reduce the amount of causalities to even break even with the amount of monetary damage suffered by making gun laws more strict. Give and take type of thing I guess, and someone is going to lose. A waiting period seems plausible, but I just don't know how much of an affect that would actually have. Oh, and I painted herpes on a kite.

Waiting periods might reduce passionate crimes, again it's a suggestion. I have no fucking clue if they would actually go down or only enable the person planning to commit the crime time to plan it out more efficiently.

However, I have *just* enough faith in the general goodness of man that given 2 weeks to think about killing someone is enough to prevent many people from actually doing so.

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Originally posted by Masonious Waiting periods might reduce passionate crimes, again it's a suggestion. I have no fucking clue if they would actually go down or only enable the person planning to commit the crime time to plan it out more efficiently. However, I have *just* enough faith in the general goodness of man that given 2 weeks to think about killing someone is enough to prevent many people from actually doing so.

but it wouldn't stop....




BATS!!!

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shit son. shit

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Originally posted by Demoted but it wouldn't stop.... BATS!!! ^*^ ^*^ ^*^ ^*^ ^*^ shit son. shit

you're better than that man. How far you've fallen since your Wal Mart picture

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Originally posted by Masonious you're better than that man. How far you've fallen since your Wal Mart picture

I had a picture of walmart? Good lord, what have I been up to?

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Originally posted by Demoted I had a picture of walmart? Good lord, what have I been up to?

was it Target?

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Originally posted by Masonious was it Target?

probably.

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Originally posted by Demoted Yep. And I really don't think guns are the cause of the problem. The underlying theme seems to be with how kids are raised these days, not their access to firearms. I could be wrong, but I honestly don't see the correlation that all the gun control proponents see in the legal access of firearms and the influence it has on crime.

completely disgree. access to firearms doesn't cause crime, but it is the central reason for the US' very high rate of crimes committed with firearms.

in 2003 (most recent stats i could find) i think australia had something like 20 homicides where a firearm was used. how many did the US have i wonder?

I'm really torn between the whole " are guns the cause of the problem" issue.

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Originally posted by Frenchie I'm really torn between the whole " are guns the cause of the problem" issue.

also being torn between 1 thing is impossible unless its a black hole.

LOL!! I look hot.

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