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Peace Man no war !

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Originally posted by jonSun If Hitler decided to not take on the whole world & only russia, it would have been a quick slaughter.

Not true, Stalin himself was preparing for a European takeover, and Russia was secretly building up arms and preparing para-troopers do descend all over Europe. Hitler beat him to the punch.

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Originally posted by denys envy Not true, Stalin himself was preparing for a European takeover, and Russia was secretly building up arms and preparing para-troopers do descend all over Europe. Hitler beat him to the punch.

While this may be true, the fact still remains that if Hitler had at the very minimum doubled the number of troops that originally marched into Russia, they would have been on their knees very quickly.







Also, here is an article from Financial Times.

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Why Russia�s response to Georgia was right By Sergei Lavrov Published: August 12 2008 19:52 | Last updated: August 12 2008 19:52 For some of those witnessing the fighting in the Caucasus over the past few days, the narrative is straightforward and easy. The plucky republic of Georgia, with just a few million citizens, was attacked by its giant eastern neighbour, Russia. Add to this all the stereotypes of the cold war era, and you are presented with a truly David and Goliath interpretation � with all its accompanying connotations of good and evil. While this version of events is being written in much of the western media, the facts present a different picture. Let me be absolutely clear. This is not a conflict of Russia�s making; this is not a conflict of Russia�s choosing. There are no winners from this conflict. Hours before the Georgian invasion, Russia had been working to secure a United Nations Security Council statement calling for a renunciation of force by both Georgia and South Ossetians. The statement that could have averted bloodshed was blocked by western countries. Last Friday, after the world�s leaders had arrived at the Beijing Olympics, Georgian troops launched an all-out assault on the region of South Ossetia, which has enjoyed de facto independence for more than 16 years. The majority of the region�s population are Russian citizens. Under the terms of the 1992 agreement to which Georgia is a party, they are afforded protection by a small number of Russian peacekeeping soldiers. The ground and air attack resulted in the killing of peacekeepers and the death of an estimated 1,600 civilians, creating a humanitarian disaster and leading to an exodus of 30,000 refugees. The Georgian regime refused to allow a humanitarian corridor to be established and bombarded a humanitarian convoy. There is also clear evidence of atrocities having been committed � so serious and systematic that they constitute acts of genocide. There can be little surprise, therefore, that Russia responded to this unprovoked assault on its citizens by launching a military incursion into South Ossetia. No country in the world would idly stand by as its citizens are killed and driven from their homes. Russia repeatedly warned Tbilisi that it would protect its citizens by force if necessary, and its actions are entirely consistent with international law, including article 51 of the UN charter on the right of self-defence. Russia has been entirely proportionate in its military response to Georgia�s attack on Russian citizens and peacekeepers. Russia�s tactical objective has been to force Georgian troops out of the region, which is off limits to them under international agreements. Despite Georgia�s assertion that it had imposed a unilateral ceasefire, Russian peacekeepers and supporting troops remained under continued attack � a fact confirmed by observers and journalists in the region. Russia had no choice but to target the military infrastructure outside the region being used to sustain the Georgian offensive. Russia�s response has been targeted, proportionate and legitimate. Russia has been accused of using the conflict to try to topple the government and impose control over the country. This is palpable nonsense. Having established the safety of the region, the president has declared an end to military operations. Russia has no intention of annexing or occupying any part of Georgia and has again affirmed its respect for its sovereignty. Over the next few days, on the condition that Georgia refrains from military activity and keeps its forces out of the region, Russia will continue to take the diplomatic steps required to consolidate this temporary cessation of hostilities. Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia�s president, has stated that �unless we stop Russia, unless the whole world stops it, Russian tanks will go to any European capital tomorrow�, adding on a separate occasion that �it�s not about Georgia any more. It�s about America�. It is clear that Georgia wants this dispute to become something more than a short if bloody conflict in the region. For decision-makers in the Nato countries of the west, it would be worth considering whether in future you want the men and women of your armed services to be answerable to Mr Saakashvili�s declarations of war in the Caucasus. Russia is a member of the Security Council, of the Group of Eight leading industrialised nations and partner with the west on issues as varied as the Middle East, Iran and North Korea. In keeping with its responsibilities as a world power and the guarantor of stability in the Caucasus, Russia will work to ensure a peaceful and lasting resolution to the situation in the region.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Russia is a member of the Security Council, of the Group of Eight leading industrialised nations and partner with the west on issues as varied as the Middle East, Iran and North Korea. In keeping with its responsibilities as a world power and the guarantor of stability in the Caucasus, Russia will work to ensure a peaceful and lasting resolution to the situation in the region.

one day the civilized world shall join hands and "peacify" Soviet Russia and similar armed baboons

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox one day the civilized world shall join hands and "peacify" Soviet Russia and similar armed baboons

More like be more for the greater good and not about the government having their hand in places they don't belong.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel More like be more for the greater good and not about the government having their hand in places they don't belong.

can you please rephrase...

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox can you please rephrase...

GAZPROM should be private not govt owned. That is a single example of a long list of things the government shouldn't have their hands in. And the people in the govt shouldn't be all about themselves, but for the greater good. As in, helping your nation as a whole to improve both your fellow man and your lives. Not just the poorest getting poorer, and the richest getting richer.

um....ok

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Originally posted by denys envy some credit should be given to the cold Russian winters...

No doubt, but skillful commanders take the time to incorporate seasons, weather, and time into their plans.

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If Hitler decided to not take on the whole world & only russia, it would have been a quick slaughter.

When Hitler invaded Russia in June 1941, his only enemy was Great Britain and its empire. Western Europe was all pacified or occupied.

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Originally posted by aNYthing Oh, pKFC has spoken - it must be so. What a sad sad creature you are. Staying up night and day waiting for reaction to your comment. You must be so lonely and devoid of attention. Here ya go buddy. Now, if you could only add some sensible substance to your drivel, your continued trolling would be slightly more bearable.

yeah man. i hang around in the COR all night waiting for your simplistic/shallow understanding of global politics to rear its ugly head. i dont come here for the intelligent people and all the things i can learn from them at all, its all about you champ.

The Question To Ponder is Wether or not Georgia has in terms of military strenght, potential mining zones, free land for exploitation. Russia covets the decision of "U.S Aid" (which translates to exploration for oil, energy sources and so on).

Russia pulls a queen of spades and your flush is gone, Russia wants what Georgia has and the US will probably play it safe ( study the environment ) but with a beneficial end in sight; the wonders of our economy. Without it there wouldn't be such a wide array of exploration.

War's over. Georgian police establishing law and order in Gori. Russian troops will pull back soon to original borders.

fucking russian troops have been looting

It's clear that russia's intention weren't about defending their own people, and they cared even less about abchazia's or ossetia's independence. Russian minister Lavrov spoke with Condoleezza Rice and stated that their intentions are to change Georgia's government and their democraticly elected president.

As a former Soviet citizen, this was some A+ grade ass kicking.

Good to see them back in good form.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne As a former Soviet citizen, this was some A+ grade ass kicking. Good to see them back in good form.

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Originally posted by XaNaX no shit, cold Russian winter + batshit insane Hitler calling the shots for the Germans = massive defeat Thank god for the world that fool didn't let his generals run the army

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The winter didn't stop the Nazis in WW II, autumn did. Look up "rasputitsa"

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN fucking russian troops have been looting

To be fair, looting has served as a military reward system since time immemorial.

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox gf's sister is sitting in some basement with her baby somewhere in Tbilisi right now.... why did she have to change her mind about taking a plane to Kyiv..

The Russian soldiers will take good care of her. They are really nice guys. Caring too.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN fucking russian troops have been looting

hah what else do you expect from russians, they are pigs, they have no regard for other human beings other than their own.

i've heard they are actually sending in ossetians to torture and kill georgians that are still around city of gori so that they can say they are not the ones who are killing and that they are just "peacekeepers"

they have set up checkpoints throughout highways and taking ransom form people that are trying to get home to tbilisi

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Originally posted by Agent0 hah what else do you expect from russians, they are pigs, they have no regard for other human beings other than their own. i've heard they are actually sending in ossetians to torture and kill georgians that are still around city of gori so that they can say they are not the ones who are killing and that they are just "peacekeepers" they have set up checkpoints throughout highways and taking ransom form people that are trying to get home to tbilisi

They sent Chechnya's troops, who had been known for cruelty when taking care of chechnya's separatists, to do "cleanings" of s.ossetia's villages where there are georgian people left.

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Originally posted by Agent0 hah what else do you expect from russians, they are pigs, they have no regard for other human beings other than their own.

Apparently they do, hence why they invaded to protect Ossetians.

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i've heard they are actually sending in ossetians to torture and kill georgians that are still around city of gori so that they can say they are not the ones who are killing and that they are just "peacekeepers"

Well duh. No one wants to get caught torturing people. Just look at Abu Ghraib.

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they have set up checkpoints throughout highways and taking ransom form people that are trying to get home to tbilisi

My government (Illinois) does this too, they call it a toll. And trust me, it feels even worse than extortion. And the roads still look like a dirt path in Georgia that's been getting ass pounded by Russian artillery for a whole weekend.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne To be fair, looting has served as a military reward system since time immemorial.

haha. doesn't make it right though does it?

russia had a big chance here to show the rest of the world that its rhetoric re iraq et al. mattered. it might have been the shrewd move from a military standpoint, but not a political one.

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Originally posted by Agent0 other than their own.

well, to be fair that hasn't been the case either!

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Originally posted by Aquadyne Apparently they do, hence why they invaded to protect Ossetians.

or avenging soldiers as an excuse to use force that they've wanted to? fact is, how these things "really" began is sometimes so hard to define. anyone (and i am not referring to you) that holds some kind of 90/10 opinion on the politics of these situations isnt credible in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Ted Promo and under-dressed freeloaders.

That's a pretty good summary of how I feel every time I'm there.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne My government (Illinois) does this too, they call it a toll. And trust me, it feels even worse than extortion. And the roads still look like a dirt path in Georgia that's been getting ass pounded by Russian artillery for a whole weekend.

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