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Originally posted by NeoPhono No problem. I guess my question would be; what did he not like about it, what would have made it better?

He basically said it fell into an awkward middle ground of trying to appeal to fans of the original whilst being a mainstream film. From what I remember he said the fight scenes weren't credible enough to fit into the DIY superhero theme, the sex scene was ridiculous and the acting was mostly poor.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J He basically said it fell into an awkward middle ground of trying to appeal to fans of the original whilst being a mainstream film. From what I remember he said the fight scenes weren't credible enough to fit into the DIY superhero theme, the sex scene was ridiculous and the acting was mostly poor.

Fair assessment. I also thought the non-Dr. Manhattan heroes did seem to posses a bit too much in the way of "superpowers." Many of their kicks/punches/acrobatics had way too much power for any normal human, and like many Hollywood movies, they were able to take way too much of a beating. It was the same thing as in 300, so I kind of expected it. With the exception of Silk Spectre, I thought the acting was decent. As I said before, I do think the major sex scene was way too long.

I didn't think the fighting was that unbelievable. No one complained about the action in The Dark Knight. Is Bruce Wayne the only non-powered hero to have any kind of fight training?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J He basically said it fell into an awkward middle ground of trying to appeal to fans of the original whilst being a mainstream film. From what I remember he said the fight scenes weren't credible enough to fit into the DIY superhero theme, the sex scene was ridiculous and the acting was mostly poor.

Pretty much spot on to my own review.

As a side note, I mentioned this thread to the BF and he defended the movie by saying "it had some cool fight scenes." Silly men.

LOL!

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Fair assessment. I also thought the non-Dr. Manhattan heroes did seem to posses a bit too much in the way of "superpowers." Many of their kicks/punches/acrobatics had way too much power for any normal human, and like many Hollywood movies, they were able to take way too much of a beating. It was the same thing as in 300, so I kind of expected it. With the exception of Silk Spectre, I thought the acting was decent. As I said before, I do think the major sex scene was way too long.

+1 to Silk Spectre's acting. It was some of the most pathetic acting I have ever seen. Made me embarrassed for her.

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Originally posted by bas I didn't think the fighting was that unbelievable. No one complained about the action in The Dark Knight. Is Bruce Wayne the only non-powered hero to have any kind of fight training?

That's because it isn't a major theme in The Dark Knight that Batman is just a guy in a suit with pretensions of being a vigilante. Sure he doesn't have any super powers, but he is a multi-millionaire with a badass vehicle, loads of gadgetry and Michael fucking Caine as his assistant. Bruce Wayne is not in any way just a normal guy putting on a suit and trying to do what he thinks is good. He has dramatically unlimited resources at his disposal that make him much more than an ordinary guy.

I don't think it's that the fight scenes in the Watchmen were unrealistic or unbelievable, but they were too spectacular and Hollywood to fit into the themes of the novel. Making too much of a spectacle out of the self-elected "superheroes" of the Watchmen is to undermine the controlling idea and as such it undermines every connected message in the film.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J That's because it isn't a major theme in The Dark Knight that Batman is just a guy in a suit with pretensions of being a vigilante.

I thought that was the whole point of Batman in the first place.

jennypie, for fuck sake's just go see the movie already! For such a fangirl you sure have enough patience to wait for the DVD release!!!

Lol, I'm going tonight! We had planned to go on opening night, but I got the stomach flu and was sick all weekend.

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Originally posted by bas I thought that was the whole point of Batman in the first place.

Which first place? Batman's been around for 70 years and every writer going has had a go at reshaping him. When he debuted in 1939 he wasn't afraid to kill people and use guns. Doesn't sound much like The Dark Knight to me.

Besides, it seemed to me that the Bruce Wayne of TDK was enacting that classic superhero struggle between the burden of responsibility and the yearning to live a normal life and have the girl of his dreams. Isn't that the major theme of TDK? Sacrificing yourself for a greater purpose?

Batman is pretty much your archetypal comic book superhero figure, which is unsurprising because he's one of the oldest examples. The Dark Knight doesn't exactly deconstruct the role.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Which first place?

I mean at his very inception, normal guy decides it's time to step to the plate and becomes a vigilante. I know that TDK wasn't trying to break new ground in the non-powered hero genre.

I would say the heroes in The Watchmen are pretty close to Batman in terms of why they wanted to be a hero. The major difference comes in the the world they all live in and what they decide to do when faced with a problem, problem being avenging The Comedian's death and inevitably trying to save the world.

Judging by the amount of publicity and money pumped into advertising coupled with the fact that I'm sure everyone is sick to death of watching 'comic book' films... In no way does it surprise me that its got shit reviews...

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Originally posted by jennypie Lol, I'm going tonight! We had planned to go on opening night, but I got the stomach flu and was sick all weekend.

You haven't seen it?

Why the hell have you been arguing so much in this thread for?!

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Originally posted by bas I mean at his very inception, normal guy decides it's time to step to the plate and becomes a vigilante. I know that TDK wasn't trying to break new ground in the non-powered hero genre. I would say the heroes in The Watchmen are pretty close to Batman in terms of why they wanted to be a hero. The major difference comes in the the world they all live in and what they decide to do when faced with a problem, problem being avenging The Comedian's death and inevitably trying to save the world.

My point is that Batman is a hero, and he can't stop being one. If he could just walk away, like Adrian Veidt, TDK would be a shitty film. And he's already special- he might not have super powers but he has all the improbable resources to compensate. Making him good at brawling doesn't undermine any of the themes of the film. In fact, the film needs to make him look badass so he actually has responsibility.

Thematically it's a different story altogether with the Watchmen. My friend is very adament that glorifying the "superheroes" in it completely fucks up the point of the film, so he criticised overblown, over-showy fight scenes.

I was curious because of all the hype this movie has receive so I was looking at the reviews and they either really liked it or hated it. The general consensus was: its on the long side, ppl unfamiliar with the comic would be confused, and its a eye candy kinda movie. So if you didn't like 300 or movies that glorify violence and suffering this movie isn't for you.

I'm pretty sure I'm not going to pay money to see it at the theater. I'm rather tired of all these super hero/comic movies and wish they would just go away. Ppl dressed in tights saving the world, yada yada. Thanks, but no thanks.

oh I also heard there is a lot of naked man ass so TubbularBills would enjoy it.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail You haven't seen it? Why the hell have you been arguing so much in this thread for?!

I haven't really been arguing much at all. And I still haven't seen it, lol. Forgot I had homework to do.

i should've believed in stalin!!

Speaking as someone who read the graphic novels a long time ago.

In sum;

Watchmen was OK, but quite underwhelming.

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Originally posted by jennypie I haven't really been arguing much at all. And I still haven't seen it, lol. Forgot I had homework to do.

admit it you're a fukin drama queen and you love it

Yeah no.

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Originally posted by astroboy

Now 'The Downfall': THAT was a great film.

but lol @ how often that scene has been re-dubbed for comedic purpose.

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Originally posted by astroboy

lol

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Now 'The Downfall': THAT was a great film. but lol @ how often that scene has been re-dubbed for comedic purpose.

srsly, it's totally played out, like bas chops. lol j/k bas chops will never get old.

I'm a huge fan of the graphic novel, like, I fucking love it, and I was pleased with how closely they translated it to film. It was obvious that they tried really hard to be faithful to the original story, but I thought they still came up tragically short. There were so many scenes that were incredibly powerful in the comic that simply lacked the same emotional significance when translated to film. In fact, pretty much every scene felt watered down.

I didn't expect too much out of the movie so it wasn't a major disappointment. It was definitely enjoyable, but it could have been so much more. If you really liked it and haven't read the original you really should. Its so much more visceral.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Now 'The Downfall': THAT was a great film. but lol @ how often that scene has been re-dubbed for comedic purpose.

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