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Originally posted by av1 Love the effort Donnie, keep it up. And I have been to Gryphon several times over the last year as the lineups have become more interesting. I support all forms of EDM when I can. I even go to Space to hear house and tech sometimes, which is far from my favorite, and like going to a Chucky Cheese for an old-timer like me. But that is close to home, Gryphon is not, so it takes a great lineup to get us Miami folks up there. I hope you can understand that. Would you travel for something you do not like and/or can get around the corner anytime, of course not? I will not comment on all your prior posts or what I think about your current lineup because it will not be constructive, and whether you believe it or not mine is intended to be constructive criticism. If people like the shows they will pay and go, if not they will not, period. I will only say that if Gryhon brings the same talent and/or styles of EDM we already have in Miami why would anyone in Miami travel there??? That is why I focus on trance & think you guys should do so more, because it gets you a broader market and range of people. It's simple economics. Will we also travel for tech or house, maybe, just book DJs that are not booked here. (like: Cox, Zabiela, Paul Ritch, Dubfire, Beyer, Hawtin, Fanciulli) Now you were complaining in your prior post that bar sales were too low last week for Above & Beyond. Yet in the above post you now are asking why people need to get messed up when they go out? You are asking whether anyone loves the music anymore? You are claiming that people should go out for the love of music and asking whether anyone can have fun WITHOUT GETTING DRUNK. Talk about contradicting yourself. Make up your mind Donnie. Do you want people to go out for the love of music or to drink their asses off to maximum levels in order to increase Gryphon's bar sales and bottom line profits as much as possible??????? And your claim that bar sales are too low for trance events is one of the top 10 BS "excuses" clubs & promoters have always resorted to when trying to justify not booking trance. LP would be proud of you, and expects a royalty check as he has a patent and copyright on that "no-trance" excuse. In fact the VIP tables were full last week for A&B, which counts as bar sales. And there is no way you or anyone else can claim that on a regular night Gryphon does anywhere near as good as last Friday. I have been there before & know they do not. Anyways good luck with the bookings. Book who you want and the market will let you know if you made the right choices or not. Just when on TA focus on the bottom line, results and save the excuses for not getting us more trance. That way the argument can end ....

Yea we book a couple of the same djs other clubs do but for the most part we do our thing and bring a different lineup than the norm. I don't like trance at all but I have traveled a couple of times now to catch trance shows and have enjoyed myself at each one, haven't like the music all the time but still had fun at the parties. I do travel to see things I can see in my own back yard actually. I like to support the local guys. If its in south florida on the weekend I'll travel to see Patrick, LP, Roland and Edgar V and if I'm not working I'll make a trip up north if their playing in Tampa, Orlando or Naples. I didn't have to go see A&B last week but I'm glad I did and if they come back in the area I'll travel to see them. You don't know you don't like something until you have gone out to experience it. I have seen numerous DJ's at other clubs every where in the states and around the world but you catch that same DJ at Gryphon and it just seems that they always bring their A game in that room. You can ask around and I'm sure you'll get the same response, shit my girlfriend hated Cedric Gervais, she saw him in that room and loved him, he laid it the fuck down, best set I've ever seen from him, I'm even sure you can probably agree with me on that point.

I did contradict myself but if you would of read the post above you, I have to play both sides of the field, from the business aspect and the guest aspect. I love the music and don't have to get hammered to have a great time but that doesn't mean that I won't drink a 6 pack when I'm out and contribute to the venue.

Its funny all of you think its so easy to book whoever is out there, well its not. A lot of these guys have exclusive contracts or their agents require you to book smaller acts before you get who you want or their booking fees are so outrageous they play themselves right out of the market.

Sure all the tables were sold on Friday night but whats funny is Saturday was actually a more profitable night for us. We sell most of our tables when we're open. I'll be the first to admit our Friday nights have fallen off since last August but we're in the process of revamping them. So far it has been damn good every Friday in there since we've been doing that.

Now the trance excuse really can't be a "BS excuse" as you say, since numbers don't lie and it seems to happen at every venue down here. Sure we were profitable but in the end it was a fucking EPIC party and thats why we're gonna bring trance acts back.

Thanks for filling me in that Space opened in 2000, I know when it open. I help out with events over there and my partner is one of the head promoters. I was at work and missed putting in the early 2000's, also, my bad lol.

In all honesty the scene down here would not of survived with out Space. You say someone would of come in and done what LP did but better, I call that BS. LP is a visionary and a great businessmen. No other club owner in there right mind would of come into that war zone of downtown and did what he did, everyone else would say fuck that shit hole. LP is the reason for the 24hr liquor license, now the banana republic we call Dade county is trying to fuck him, but thats a whole other topic. So I digress. If it wasn't for him the area wouldn't have been cleaned up to its state today, the property values wouldn't have increased and there sure as hell wouldn't be any other clubs in that shit hole of an area. You say someone else would of done it and better go ask the Nocturnal guys how well their doing, shit I'll tell you, they are doing horrible and the building is in foreclosure as they owe over 5 million dollars on it and haven't paid their mortgage in a long time. Good thing Glenn has 9 lives or they would be toast. The building was supposed to be auctioned off last week, but the bank fucked the paperwork up, so the auction has been put on hold. They won't be around for much longer.

We have been booking who we wanted and the market is telling us that we are doing excellent we have sold out our previous 4 shows that we're ticketed and packed house with the big bookings that we did guest list for. Don't worry though we're gonna get some more trance in here for the TA crew.

FYI: We bring Dubfire every November. Zabiela is exclusive with Opium group, Carl Cox exclusive with Ultra. I'm working on Hawtin, Beyer and my all time favorite Mr. Ricardo Villalobos. Ritch and Faniculli are both on my list that I turn in for bookings. If I had the final decision you would see a totally different lineup but in the end its not my money being risked to bring these guys here.

We're all friends here lol I know all the input is constructive but give it up to us we brought more trance in one year than every other club combined down here in the past 3 years

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Originally posted by bigmike928 Yup! It just shows that people are passionate about the music, whether it's just trance or various types of electronic music. Donnie, I want to thank you for being very involved in the forum in regards to responding to all the posts, both positive and negative. It show's that you do care about the scene and are not just trying to promote events. I've seen promoters that join the forum to promote an event and you never hear from them again. keep it up, it's greatly appreciated.

Welcome I'm glad I could get on here and shake it up a bit. Sure I'll throw my events in, its my job but at the end of the day I'm a music head and do everything for the love of the music. Like I said before I don't care if I make a dime as long as at the end of the day its a great party!!

Glad you guys will have me No hard feelings, I'm just passionate about what I do

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Originally posted by BELKISsays LOL Tickets were originally $25. Why is everyone complaining...No one else has brought TRANCE acts the entire year but Gryphon, other then PVD @ SPACE! Why don't you guys go rant on LP or Louis Diaz on why they're not booking Trance acts either? In the end guys Donnie is right, it's all about BUSINESS $$$ and trance people are known not to spend that much at the bar.

been there and done that. Enough has been said about Space.


Donnie - yes I said what I said about Chris Lawrence because the shit he plays is WAY out there. I didn't hear nothing 'trancey' coming from him. Shit was just noise to me. Although, I still went out and supported. But Now I know he DEF isn't my cup of tea.

I can go out and listen to Polka music with friends and still have a good time. But in the end I don't love Polka.. I love edm.. I think this goes for everyone here.

No one is complaining... ppl are just always going to want more.

I'm on a Super 8 and Tab hunt after their ASOT 450 set in Wroclaw
and with all the nu disco, techno, AND trance I get in NY - i want MOARR!

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Originally posted by bigmike928 Yup! It just shows that people are passionate about the music, whether it's just trance or various types of electronic music. Donnie, I want to thank you for being very involved in the forum in regards to responding to all the posts, both positive and negative. It show's that you do care about the scene and are not just trying to promote events. I've seen promoters that join the forum to promote an event and you never hear from them again. keep it up, it's greatly appreciated.

Donnie & the club treated me like a king!Just like it was 2001

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Originally posted by tranceman 23 Donnie & the club treated me like a king!Just like it was 2001

We do our best to keep our guests happy! One of the main reasons we have been around for 5 years! Good meeting you brother! Glad you enjoyed yourself

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Thanks for filling me in that Space opened in 2000, I know when it open. I help out with events over there and my partner is one of the head promoters. I was at work and missed putting in the early 2000's, also, my bad lol.

You are welcome, any time. And something tells me you were in about 9th grade when Space opened and you have no clue what it was like in that club back then, much less in any 21+ club in the late 90s. And I would not brag about helping out with their events lately, as they are the worst bookings & events ever ...

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon In all honesty the scene down here would not of survived with out Space. You say someone would of come in and done what LP did but better, I call that BS. LP is a visionary and a great businessmen. No other club owner in there right mind would of come into that war zone of downtown and did what he did, everyone else would say fuck that shit hole. LP is the reason for the 24hr liquor license, now the banana republic we call Dade county is trying to fuck him, but thats a whole other topic. So I digress. If it wasn't for him the area wouldn't have been cleaned up to its state today, the property values wouldn't have increased and there sure as hell wouldn't be any other clubs in that shit hole of an area.

Once again you prove how little you know. Who said anything about the downtown miami area???? There has been nightlife in Miami for decades without any warehouses in cracktown needing to be converted into clubs, which is basically what Space did. In the 70s there was nightlife, in the 80s there was nightlife, and in the 90s there was nightlife. All without Space or the 11th street warehouse district. EDM really started here in the late 80s when the british acid house invasion started hitting some south beach spots. But it was not until the mid 90s forward that the EDM scene in Miami blew up. We had clubs like Shadow Lounge, Liquid, Level, Groove Jet, Crobar and Opium Garden all playing EDM to packed clubs every weekend at that time, along with dozens of smaller clubs playing EDM as well. We did not need Space or any other clubs at all to be opened in Downtown Miami to contribute to the EDM scene, much less save it. All Space did was add to a scene that was already great, and they only survived this long because of the 24-hr-liquor license.

I agree it is unfair what the city is doing and hope Space beats them. God forbid I want LP to win, but I hate government BS like that, and do appreciate his willingness to fight them. But you are believing too much of what your buddies @ Space are telling you, and they have a reason to exagerate since they work there. Worse yet you act like Space has cleaned up & revitalized the downtown area. Are you fuckin crazy. That area is still a shithole, and the people going to space and other clubs in the area recently have only added to & diversified the scum content in that area. I would love to see you go to the front of Space on a Wednesday night at 12 with a $50,000 Rolex on & stack of cash out in your hand, then start walking west and hang out in that area for an hour. Unless you make it out of there with the Rolex, cash and alive, without having to shoot anyone, you cannot tell anyone LP has reviltalized that area one iota ...

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Originally posted by av1 You are welcome, any time. And something tells me you were in about 9th grade when Space opened and you have no clue what it was like in that club back then, much less in any 21+ club in the late 90s. And I would not brag about helping out with their events lately, as they are the worst bookings & events ever ...

from donnie's ta profile:
Birthday March 27th, 1985

you need to do better research av1. although your intuition was spot on.

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin from donnie's ta profile: Birthday March 27th, 1985 you need to do better research av1. although your intuition was spot on.

I am 25 but once again from my ealier post I left out the early 2000's, sorry for that. Not everything was all about clubs, I remember going to a lot of underground raves in Miami, Lauderdale, WPB and Orlando. The first time I was at Space 34 was 2002, fake ids are a great thing and when your uncles have friends in the industry, that helps out a lot. So yea I may be young but I was still around to experience things back then, don't bash my age when you have no idea of my background. I remember when they would set the stage up outback and have PVD play out there, I remember watching LP get hoisted up at the closing party in the cryogenics, blah blah blah I could go on. Sure there were a lot of clubs playing EDM back in the day and Space put a lot of those places out of business, I've heard it straight from the owners mouth of Shadow Lounge Space put them out of business, just recently actually since he's very active in another forum I'm on.

How did I prove how little I know?? I'm speaking present day that Space kept the scene alive and is still doing along with a lot of other places now. How many of those clubs are still around and playing EDM today?? Space only kept it going and now a lot of places are bringing EDM back into rotation.

Av1 in your opinion Space has the worst bookings ever, I don't really see that. Do you say that because they aren't bringing Trance?? The next couple weeks IMO are pretty damn good. Martin Buttrich was just there, Chus and Ceballos, Heidi, Luca Bachetti, Funkagenda, Magda, and Stefano Noferini all coming up. Their pool party isn't bad either AVB, Sander K, Avicii and more TBA. That's a pretty solid lineup.

Anyways we could go on for days here about this. In the end we all love the music. I'm gonna do my best to listen to who you guys want to see down here and try and make it happen. I'm not on here to argue with anyone just stating my opinions

I like it here its fun.

Donnie it's all good man. Let's just agree to disagree about some of these things. It's no biggie, and we would needlessly go on forever otherwise. I give you credit for bringin A&B and hope better things come later. So good luck with the bookings @ Gryphon. I'll support when I can by showing up for DJs I like, most notably Marco V on your current schedule ...

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Originally posted by av1 Donnie it's all good man. Let's just agree to disagree about some of these things. It's no biggie, and we would needlessly go on forever otherwise. I give you credit for bringin A&B and hope better things come later. So good luck with the bookings @ Gryphon. I'll support when I can by showing up for DJs I like, most notably Marco V on your current schedule ...

Agreed! Thanks for the support. I will keep you all filled in on tickets, should be the next couple of weeks. I'll let you know when I hear about more Trance or maybe even some bookings outside of trance that you might be interested in.

Av1 thanks for the help on the other thread

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Whats funny is all three of those shows have been no where near Jersey Shore status. We draw a little nicer crowd than the usual places that bring those guys. Victor was straight packed with beautiful girls and I honestly saw about 20 meatheads in there, nothing against them they like the music and they support. JP was slammed too, I didn't make it in that night because I couldn't find parking. Robbie had a great looking crowd also Infected Mushroom was a dj set full on Psy Trance and it was insanity The greatest thing about the old days was that you would go out to a party and it was a place where everyone could come together: gays, straights, girls, guys, fat bitches, skinny bitches, fat dudes, skinny dudes, drag queens, transvestites, meatheads and everything in between. Nobody gave a shit, you were there for the music and to have a good fucking time. Now we all bitch, there's gonna be jersey shore dudes there, there's gonna be to many gays or lesbians blah blah blah blah if you love EDM support it. Thats what makes the night so much fun, seeing all these different characters gathered together in one room to support the music!! I love Space just for that reason, its always a fun party with the craziest mix of people.

God there is alot of crap to wade thru on this thread.. Donnie we should hang out - I can't tell you how many times I get into a heated argument about this crap.. or genre snobbing. Truer words are hardly ever spoken around here.

I don't know how blind you guys are but I haven't seen one person here "genre snob".

You guys get it twisted in your tiny little heads that just because we don't like some tacky guido infested dj - that we automatically hate the genre.

you guys are talking shit for no damn reason and you don't even know any of US to come to that conclusion.

you may like it... majority of us wouldn't be caught dead at VC and definitely JP.. FFS even the NY'ers hate JP - anyone seen - Trule Life before? I'm a clubber iirc

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL I don't know how blind you guys are but I haven't seen one person here "genre snob". You guys get it twisted in your tiny little heads that just because we don't like some tacky guido infested dj - that we automatically hate the genre. you guys are talking shit for no damn reason and you don't even know any of US to come to that conclusion. you may like it... majority of us wouldn't be caught dead at VC and definitely JP.. FFS even the NY'ers hate JP - anyone seen - Trule Life before? I'm a clubber iirc

I wasn't speaking directly to you or anybody on this site. I am speaking about the scene down here as a whole, there is a ton of genre snobbing people around.

I can't stand JP either, glad I couldn't find parking that night but Victor was on of the best sets I've heard this year and if you would of read my prior post, we don't get the guido infested crowds, that you say travel with these events. Sure there may be some scattered throughout the crowd but thats normal with any South Florida nightclub. At least this isn't Pacha

Donnie,

Me and my friend Ronald ( booked it through you) got a table for A&B on the dance floor and had an amazing time, thanks for setting that up! Our bottle girl Linda was awesome too! I am a hardcore trance addict, but love EDM in general. I last got a table at Gryphon for Kaskade and had awesome time then too. The atmosphere was great that night. You can say both acts are on different ends of the EDM spectrum, but a good party is a good party and I can appreciate EDM that makes the ladies the dance, including my gf!

You do what you can and hopefully south florida comes out and supports.

Also, I live right in dowtown miami, a couple blocks from space, so to go up to gryhon it has to be a big named act, because of the logistics of course. But if it is worth it like a A&B or Marco V, who I have never seen before than I will go to support.

Furthermore,

Not everyone can get a table, so cheap pre-sales tickets are a plus. And the average clubgoer knows you can't expect to showup and pay that same price. So do your due diligence and buy beforehand. If you end up paying more at the door it is your own fault.

And I have no rebuttal to bar sales being so low. Space, Mansion, Cameo, all will say the samething about trance acts, and Tiesto doesn't count, love'em but he is another debatable topic. But at 7 bucks a pop, maybe you can sell enough red bull to make up the difference, lol!


In closing, do what you can! I can appreciate someone who's cup of tea isn't trance music trying to bring different acts.

Special wish list ( would get a table for these acts):
-Super 8 and Tab
-Kyau and Albert
-Stoneface and terminal
-Ronski Speed

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon I wasn't speaking directly to you or anybody on this site. I am speaking about the scene down here as a whole, there is a ton of genre snobbing people around. I can't stand JP either, glad I couldn't find parking that night but Victor was on of the best sets I've heard this year and if you would of read my prior post, we don't get the guido infested crowds, that you say travel with these events. Sure there may be some scattered throughout the crowd but thats normal with any South Florida nightclub. At least this isn't Pacha

I know. Pacha is the worst club in the world. FACT!




But umm.. Alvaro - looks like I taught you well my son!!

I always got love for my euphonic homies and A&B hit makers,
super 8 & tab!

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Originally posted by APALO22 Special wish list ( would get a table for these acts): -Super 8 and Tab -Kyau and Albert -Stoneface and terminal -Ronski Speed

those kinda names we'll never get here unless its wmc or they come attached to someone else.

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Originally posted by APALO22 Donnie, Me and my friend Ronald ( booked it through you) got a table for A&B on the dance floor and had an amazing time, thanks for setting that up! Our bottle girl Linda was awesome too! I am a hardcore trance addict, but love EDM in general. I last got a table at Gryphon for Kaskade and had awesome time then too. The atmosphere was great that night. You can say both acts are on different ends of the EDM spectrum, but a good party is a good party and I can appreciate EDM that makes the ladies the dance, including my gf! You do what you can and hopefully south florida comes out and supports. Also, I live right in dowtown miami, a couple blocks from space, so to go up to gryhon it has to be a big named act, because of the logistics of course. But if it is worth it like a A&B or Marco V, who I have never seen before than I will go to support. Furthermore, Not everyone can get a table, so cheap pre-sales tickets are a plus. And the average clubgoer knows you can't expect to showup and pay that same price. So do your due diligence and buy beforehand. If you end up paying more at the door it is your own fault. And I have no rebuttal to bar sales being so low. Space, Mansion, Cameo, all will say the samething about trance acts, and Tiesto doesn't count, love'em but he is another debatable topic. But at 7 bucks a pop, maybe you can sell enough red bull to make up the difference, lol! In closing, do what you can! I can appreciate someone who's cup of tea isn't trance music trying to bring different acts. Special wish list ( would get a table for these acts): -Super 8 and Tab -Kyau and Albert -Stoneface and terminal -Ronski Speed

Glad you guys enjoyed yourself!! Sorry I didn't meet you that night I was, well it was a rough night lol. Linda is a great girl and great server! At least for the most part we always throw awesome parties!

I'm gonna do my best and hope to see you out there again.

Your exactly right! Everyone knew how big this show was going to be and I constantly was on this thread updating the information on tickets and when it was closing to selling out or when the price would go back up. $25 is more than reasonable for a show like that. When the supply is low the price goes up and people who really want to see that show will pay what it costs. The price didn't go up to $40 for GA until the day before the show. Should of got the tickets early instead of waiting to the last minute like a lot of people do in South Florida, I do it too and sucks to pay more but its our own faults.

Like I said I'll do my best to get more trance.

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Like I said I'll do my best to get more trance.

Get Super8 & Tab

I'd definitely come back down from Jacksonville for Super8 & Tab!

I'd do the same if I lived that far away. Definitely worth the long drive =)

I would make that drive again for SuperTab!!!

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Originally posted by jsweeney51 I'd definitely come back down from Jacksonville for Super8 & Tab!

I'll put it out there and see what they think

Yeah - I would def scrap up some money to come for super 8 & tab. I can not believe they haven't even been booked in NY yet!

wtf. Best set of ASOT 450..... foooooooooor suuuuuuuuuure.

i'd drive up again for super 8 and tab...best of luck donnie hope u can make it happen

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