They'll drill off Washington and Oregon over the bodies of many.
Oil is useless. We need to tax the holy hell out of it till they are dead and put the earnings from that into nationalized nuclear power.
Posted by Lews on Jun-01-2010 01:33:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
They'll drill off Washington and Oregon over the bodies of many.
Oil is useless. We need to tax the holy hell out of it till they are dead and put the earnings from that into nationalized nuclear power.
Nuclear + Wind + Solar Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-01-2010 01:40:
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Originally posted by Lews
Nuclear + Wind + Solar
I like wind, solar is good too, but we have the technology, we have had it for 50 years, raised in our very own backyard Lews to leave oil behind. Nuclear power should have been the answer 30 years ago but the fucking dumb ass NIMBY fuckhead women and hippy guys freaked out over politicized bullshit, more than likely funded by big oil.
Oil and the motor industries destroyed the American transportation and infrastructure network and slowed us compared to the rest of the world where they do not rely on oil nearly as much.
Its a sick addiction, its as bad as meth is to the individual.
Posted by Lews on Jun-01-2010 01:42:
Why are you lecturing to me about oil lol.
I don't even drive a car! I hate oil.
Posted by The17sss on Jun-01-2010 01:43:
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Originally posted by Lews
ROFL
I love how people blame environmentalists for this.
Uhhhh..... from the same article:
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Not that the environmentalists are the only ones to blame. Not by far. But it is odd that they've escaped any mention at all. The other culprits are pretty obvious. It starts with BP, which seems not only to have had an amazing string of perfect-storm engineering lapses but no contingencies to deal with a catastrophic system failure.
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Fucking bullshit excuse, looking for other people to point their fingers at to pass the blame along. "We didn't want to drill here! You made us! You forced us to do this!"
Fucking bullshit.
Is it really bullshit though? Why are we drilling 20 miles off shore and 5000 feet down, rather than on dry land where we've been banned for 30 years? NOT because of environmentalists!? They obviously aren't the only ones to blame- the questions being asked was, why don't they hold a shread of it?
Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-01-2010 01:50:
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Originally posted by The17sss
Uhhhh..... from the same article:
Is it really bullshit though? Why are we drilling 20 miles off shore and 5000 feet down, rather than on dry land where we've been banned for 30 years? NOT because of environmentalists!? They obviously aren't the only ones to blame- the questions being asked was, why don't they hold a shread of it?
They are drilling in the south because there is no group of local governments or people that want them to NOT drill there. Its the poorest, most uneducated and well beyond oil, worthless parts of the country. You think they are going to say no to oil jobs?
Its only because the more affluent and intelligent parts of the country know its fucking insanely stupid to do it in their parts.
It is the environmentalists fault that they drill there, because they cant anywhere else, but its not their fault that this shit happened.
Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-01-2010 01:50:
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Originally posted by Lews
Why are you lecturing to me about oil lol.
I don't even drive a car! I hate oil.
More using your comment as an excuse to continue grand-standing. Posted by The17sss on Jun-01-2010 01:54:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
They are drilling in the south because there is no group of local governments or people that want them to NOT drill there. Its the poorest, most uneducated and well beyond oil, worthless parts of the country. You think they are going to say no to oil jobs?
Its only because the more affluent and intelligent parts of the country know its fucking insanely stupid to do it in their parts.
It is the environmentalists fault that they drill there, because they cant anywhere else, but its not their fault that this shit happened.
I smell the foul odor of elitism in that statement. I didn't realize it was about educationl pedigree. Dude, I didn't say it was totally the environmentalists fault that the explosion happened... I know they had nothing to do with the construction of the damn oil rig and its safety measures. The point is, look at the unintended consequences of environmental chic: more people are actually being affected now by a catastrophe happening far out at sea than if the explosion happened in Alaska's ANWR region where it's a barren wasteland the size of South Carolina.
Posted by The17sss on Jun-01-2010 02:05:
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Originally posted by Lews
I don't even drive a car! I hate oil.
Oil is involved in everything you do and have, from your clothing and cell phone to your computer and your grocery store being stocked. You'd be surprised at what types of businesses grow because of the investment derivitives from oil companies... or how many peoples' 401K's depend on the profitability of the oil companies; it wouldn't be uncommon at all for "green" companies like Starbucks or First Solar to have their employees' 401K's invested in Exxon.
Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jun-01-2010 02:07:
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Originally posted by The17sss
I smell the foul odor of elitism in that statement. I didn't realize it was about educationl pedigree. Dude, I didn't say it was totally the environmentalists fault that the explosion happened... I know they had nothing to do with the construction of the damn oil rig and its safety measures. The point is, look at the unintended consequences of environmental chic: more people are actually being affected now by a catastrophe happening far out at sea than if the explosion happened in Alaska's ANWR region where it's a barren wasteland the size of South Carolina.
Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jun-01-2010 02:12:
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Originally posted by Lews
I don't even drive a car! I hate oil.
Where would modern medicine be without plastic?
Posted by Lews on Jun-01-2010 02:13:
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Originally posted by The17sss
Uhhhh..... from the same article:
Is it really bullshit though? Why are we drilling 20 miles off shore and 5000 feet down, rather than on dry land where we've been banned for 30 years? NOT because of environmentalists!? They obviously aren't the only ones to blame- the questions being asked was, why don't they hold a shread of it?
I read the whole article. And yes, it's really, complete, utter bullshit. Environmentalists aren't to blame at all. Not one bit. Saying otherwise is just bullshit.
Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jun-01-2010 02:14:
I think its amazing that the supposed epicentre of freedom and personal responsibility is rife with people who will do anything to pass the buck.
Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jun-01-2010 02:19:
If you find that amazing, you should try living here!
Posted by Lews on Jun-01-2010 02:25:
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Originally posted by The17sss
Oil is involved in everything you do and have, from your clothing and cell phone to your computer and your grocery store being stocked. You'd be surprised at what types of businesses grow because of the investment derivitives from oil companies... or how many peoples' 401K's depend on the profitability of the oil companies; it wouldn't be uncommon at all for "green" companies like Starbucks or First Solar to have their employees' 401K's invested in Exxon.
Come on, mate. That's a terrible argument. Same argument people have used in the past with me for the fact that I'm vegetarian. It's a bad argument. It's like saying the underground railroad shouldn't have existed, because, you know, slavery still existed. And people in Europe shouldn't have tried to hide Jews from the Nazi's, because, you know, the Holocaust was still going to happen.
Just because you can't completely get rid of something does not mean I shouldn't do what I can to limit it Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-01-2010 04:20:
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Originally posted by The17sss
I smell the foul odor of elitism in that statement. I didn't realize it was about educationl pedigree. Dude, I didn't say it was totally the environmentalists fault that the explosion happened... I know they had nothing to do with the construction of the damn oil rig and its safety measures. The point is, look at the unintended consequences of environmental chic: more people are actually being affected now by a catastrophe happening far out at sea than if the explosion happened in Alaska's ANWR region where it's a barren wasteland the size of South Carolina.
Kevin you are straight up stupid. Please for the love of something re-read that and tell me how you didn't just contradict yourself.
Its like you are saying the environmentalists forced the oil companies to drill there? No, you fucktard they would drill there anyways. You think they'd not have drilled in the gulf or closed up shop if they could also drill in ANWR? Are you that fucking blind? Really? Fucking damn.
Posted by Jake Benson on Jun-01-2010 04:26:
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
I think its amazing that the supposed epicentre of freedom and personal responsibility is rife with people who will do anything to pass the buck.
That's not freedom, that's dishonesty.
Posted by WhooCares on Jun-01-2010 06:48:
Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-01-2010 07:39:
They need to do it.
Posted by Ridexer on Jun-01-2010 14:27:
The nuke exploding mile underwater won't be much of a show on the surface. It wont be that cool...
Posted by jester on Jun-01-2010 23:16:
BP stock between April 28th (US$57.34) and today (US$36.52).
They lost about US$40 Billion.
At this rate BP could go bankrupt.
Posted by enydo on Jun-02-2010 07:05:
Posted by Lews on Jun-02-2010 07:09:
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Originally posted by jester
BP stock between April 28th (US$57.34) and today (US$36.52).
They lost about US$40 Billion.
At this rate BP could go bankrupt.
They won't go bankrupt. They can easily take a $20 billion hit on their balance sheet and be fine. The company hasn't lost money, it's just lost value. They are grossly underestimated now, people sold off far too much. They still make billions in profits every year; this has only cost them (so far) one billion. If I didn't have moral objections I'd totally invest in them right now.
It's really sad because BP's gimmick for a while was "beyond petroleum" and they made a big deal about all their green investments into solar and wind. I had hoped they might actually be a responsible oil company. Looks like I was wrong.
I hope they get sued to fuck.
I love how Sarah Palin and the conservatives are trying to blame this on liberals and environmentalists. "You made us drill here! We didn't want to! It's your fault we put more money into drilling and none into actual fail-safe fail-safes. Damn you environmentalists! You forced us to create this disaster!"
