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Posted by geroin on Mar-15-2011 17:14:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
No it doesn't evaporate. But it does break down...

Some types faster than others...

And how do you know that facts are falsified???

Because the media says that Japan is on the verge of nuclear apocalypse??


quote:
Originally posted by geroin
this is false information as it is impossible to tell at this time the severity of the radiation and the levels of it in the atmosphere and environment in general + the long term effects to human health for people in the region close to the plant and surrounding areas.




Posted by E2EK1EL on Mar-15-2011 17:17:

The article is hard to find, when it's a hyper linked with one word with plain text.

I normally make a big title, link an image and copy & paste the info and source the URL if needed.


Posted by VDub on Mar-15-2011 17:20:

quote:
Originally posted by E2EK1EL
The article is hard to find, when it's a hyper linked with one word with plain text.

I normally make a big title, link an image and copy & paste the info and source the URL if needed.


You found it...

Gera found it..

Kris found it...

And I'm really trying to not copy/paste huge pieces of text...

It's really annoying on this page and I'd rather just link to the source directly...


Posted by geroin on Mar-15-2011 17:26:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
isn't he making educated conclusions, based on his background and work? I found his report interesting - definitely more calm and level-headed then most of the info out there


no, he's calling his write up facts.


Posted by FunkyCrew on Mar-15-2011 17:29:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
no, he's calling his write up facts.


no he doesn't
quote:
The bottom line of the events at Fukushima and the nuclear power sector more broadly would appear to be as follows.


which is clearly his own summary of how he sees things

the facts are these:
quote:
When the earthquakes struck, Japan�s nuclear power stations did as they were designed to do and shut down with the insertion of control rods. This halted the nuclear chain reaction that generates the power. In response the plants rapidly dropped in power to around 5% of normal.

� Other (non-uranium) constituents of the fuel remained �hot� i.e. reacting, which is normal.

� Back up power systems (diesel generators) were applied to continue to provide cooling to the reactor core. This worked as expected.

� Approximately 1 hour later, two power plants housing seven nuclear reactors were struck by a 7 metre tsunami. These plants were Fukushima Daiichi and Fukushima Daini. This disabled the diesel generators that were in use, and all other back-up generators that were available. It is this second disaster that triggered the problems at these power plants, as the plants began to experience a loss of cooling on the fuel.

� Back-up cooling from batteries was applied, and provided cooling for approximately a further 8 hours

� Other measures have then needed to be implemented as this power source ran out. This has included pumping sea-water into the reactor core. This is not a preferred action as it causes some damage.

� Some portions of the fuel rods remained exposed from the coolant for long enough to heat up and melt. This is the meaning of �partial meltdown�

� Some build up of radioactivity has occurred within the reactor buildings. This has been periodically vented in a controlled way to maintain pressure within the reactor at a safe level. The radiation being vented is of a type that is short lived, decaying rapidly to harmless substances

� The venting gas has contained hydrogen. Unfortunately, perhaps due to not venting quickly enough, the hydrogen concentrations have become elevated and resulted in explosions occurring outside of the reactor building when the venting occurred

� Presently the reactor cores are being successfully cooled and progressively moved to a state of cold shutdown, meaning fully under control.

� Critically, throughout the disaster the integrity of the very strong Containment Structures, which separate the nuclear reactor from the outside world, has been maintained. The reactor building itself then contains the core of nuclear fuel, and these reactor buildings have also remained intact. This means there has never been a risk of a �Chernobyl-type� incident, with serious releases of radioactivity to the surrounding environment that would pose a threat to human health. The Chernobyl power stations had no such structure, which greatly increased the consequences of that accident.

� The incident has received a severity rating of INES 6. It is clearly very serious. The Three Mile Island Accident was a 5. Chernobyl, however, was a 7 (the highest), and is a very different league.


dude you don't have to jump in and start brandishing your sword right away! chill.. just cos it goes against what you've been reading online elsewhere, doesn't mean we can dispute it at this point..


Posted by geroin on Mar-15-2011 17:37:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
no he doesn't


the facts are these:


dude you don't have to jump in and start brandishing your sword right away! chill.. just cos it goes against what you've been reading online elsewhere, doesn't mean we can dispute it at this point..


that's great.
i'm not going to believe a website that tells me there is no radiation spilled in the atmosphere after 3 explosions and numerous fires at a nuclear plant, that's a bunch of bullshit my friend.


Posted by FunkyCrew on Mar-15-2011 17:41:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
that's great.
i'm not going to believe a website that tells me there is no radiation spilled in the atmosphere after 3 explosions and numerous fires at a nuclear plant, that's a bunch of bullshit my friend.


says who, you? and what are you backing your agrument with? I understand that all available media outlets online are screaming with crazy headlines but it doesn't mean we shouldn't consider the possibility of things NOT being as crazy as they paint them to be


Posted by VDub on Mar-15-2011 17:42:

G, I'm much more inclined to listen to the opinion of a PHD from MIT than to the media...

His explanation is at my level and it seems perfectly logical...

The media will sensationalize anything to sell ad space...


Posted by VDub on Mar-15-2011 17:47:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
that's great.
i'm not going to believe a website that tells me there is no radiation spilled in the atmosphere after 3 explosions and numerous fires at a nuclear plant, that's a bunch of bullshit my friend.


Cmon bro..

Seriously read that back to yourself and think if it means anything without knowing all the facts...

As in no matter what fires or explosions happen, the core is secure in its enclosure...

And look at why those explosions happened...

And what type of radiation was released and it's half life...

Don't..

Don't believe...

Don't believe the hype!!!


Posted by Skipper on Mar-15-2011 17:48:

Hmmm....the Japanese govt has evacuated/ordered inside tens or hundreds of thousands of people nearby, and someone is trying to say "there's nothing going on"? Wha?


Posted by geroin on Mar-15-2011 17:50:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
says who, you? and what are you backing your agrument with? I understand that all available media outlets online are screaming with crazy headlines but it doesn't mean we shouldn't consider the possibility of things NOT being as crazy as they paint them to be


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...er-to-canadians
http://www.philstar.com/Article.asp...ubCategoryId=63
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...E72E2B720110315
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-127..._medium=twitter
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bany.../threatmadereal
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/world...rL5GD9S2Hg.cspx
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...0042227648.html
http://www.mydesert.com/article/201...ire?odyssey=nav|head
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-...20110316a2.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...E72E66J20110315
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...anese-food.html
http://www.euronews.net/2011/03/15/...eads-to-russia/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...E72E51Z20110315
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news...0dm002000c.html

numerous agencies claim there is a spike of radiation in japan and russia.


Posted by geroin on Mar-15-2011 17:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
Hmmm....the Japanese govt has evacuated/ordered inside tens or hundreds of thousands of people nearby, and someone is trying to say "there's nothing going on"? Wha?


lol, seriously..people are delusional


Posted by FunkyCrew on Mar-15-2011 17:57:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...er-to-canadians
http://www.philstar.com/Article.asp...ubCategoryId=63
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...E72E2B720110315
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-127..._medium=twitter
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bany.../threatmadereal
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/world...rL5GD9S2Hg.cspx
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...0042227648.html
http://www.mydesert.com/article/201...ire?odyssey=nav|head
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-...20110316a2.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...E72E66J20110315
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...anese-food.html
http://www.euronews.net/2011/03/15/...eads-to-russia/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...E72E51Z20110315
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news...0dm002000c.html

numerous agencies claim there is a spike of radiation in japan and russia.


quote:
I understand that all available media outlets online are screaming with crazy headlines but it doesn't mean we shouldn't consider the possibility of things NOT being as crazy as they paint them to be


Posted by FunkyCrew on Mar-15-2011 17:58:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
lol, seriously..people are delusional


man you sounds like just like exraver dude with his constant sheep comments
once again, chill..
why are we delusional for questioning stuff?


Posted by VDub on Mar-15-2011 18:03:

Of course they're evacuating. The media is making it such a big deal that if they didn't order an evacuation, they'd look totally irresponsible...

I agree with an evacuation...

It's always better to be safe than sorry...

I still don't think anythings gonna happen...


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Mar-15-2011 18:03:

I'm not worried till I see these little guys all over the place


Posted by FunkyCrew on Mar-15-2011 18:05:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
Of course they're evacuating. The media is making it such a big deal that if they didn't order an evacuation, they'd look totally irresponsible...

I agree with an evacuation...

It's always better to be safe than sorry...

I still don't think anythings gonna happen...


100% agreed.


Posted by VDub on Mar-15-2011 18:06:


Posted by geroin on Mar-15-2011 18:09:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew


whos is screaming? you realize that the information about radiation is not made up, right?


Posted by FunkyCrew on Mar-15-2011 18:13:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
whos is screaming? you realize that the information about radiation is not made up, right?


you're not hearing/reading properly what I'm trying to say!


Posted by VDub on Mar-15-2011 18:16:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
whos is screaming? you realize that the information about radiation is not made up, right?


Nobody is denying radiation being released...

They're just saying that its not going to cause any serious effects...

The type of radiation released has a short life...

Do you know how much radiation you're exposed to every day???

I'm only going to say this one more time and then I'm done with it...

The only way that this will turn very bad is if the cores protection is compromised...

Inside the core is the bad stuff....

As long as it's sealed, we're safe...


Posted by love_child on Mar-15-2011 18:22:

Japanese nuclear experts have been struggling to contain the aftermath of fires, explosions and nuclear fuel-rod exposure at the six-reactor Fukushima power complex, about 150 miles north of Tokyo, that took the brunt of Friday's earthquake and the devastating tsunami that followed. The crisis there has released radiation to the immediate surrounding area, which officials on Tuesday conceded was high enough to damage human health but insisted that it posed little danger to those evacuated from a 12-mile radius of the plants.

Still, authorities on Tuesday warned that people remaining within 20 miles of the damaged reactors should stay indoors to avoid being sickened by radiation.

Dangerous levels of radiation escaped from the Fukushima complex after one reactor's steel containment structure was apparently breached by an explosion, and a different reactor building in the same complex caught fire after another explosion, Japan's leaders told a frightened population Tuesday.



Article


Posted by geroin on Mar-15-2011 18:41:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
Nobody is denying radiation being released...

They're just saying that its not going to cause any serious effects...

The type of radiation released has a short life...

Do you know how much radiation you're exposed to every day???

I'm only going to say this one more time and then I'm done with it...

The only way that this will turn very bad is if the cores protection is compromised...

Inside the core is the bad stuff....

As long as it's sealed, we're safe...


Who is they, how do they know? did you know that in belorussia to this day children are born with ridiculous birth defects from perfectly healthy looking parents? the food, soil, water, plants are all contaminated and stay contaminated for 5 decades (that is in good case scenario). When you say all the bad stuff is sealed, how do you know? who knows?


Posted by Endlesswave on Mar-15-2011 18:43:

NY Times article of the type of reactor use in Japan (Including Fukushima) and in a few systems in the USA


Posted by urban_legend on Mar-15-2011 18:57:

Great Before/After Japan article on cnn, make sure you use teh slider bar and scroll from side to side.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011...dex.html?hpt=T1


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