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| Originally posted by Trancer-X Unfortunately for you, though, is the fact that your childish ridicule doesn't really effect those of us who possess enough intelligence and mental fortitude to question your Ministry of Truth's official theory in the first place. |
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| Originally posted by XaNaX well at least I got one last laugh out of the thread. You have the "intelligence" and "mental fortitude" to question the official story but yet you have no understanding of what a credible source is, no knowledge of the scientific method, and a complete inability to present any hard evidence to support any of your claims. I'll return to this thread once you trolls post some actual evidence that would stand up to peer review, rather than a link or a copy/paste of a mass of worthless ramblings from some truther web site. The opinion of a half crazy truther on a web site he paid $5 to register is not equal to legitimate evidence published in a peer-reviewed journal. Your latest post just highlights this point. It's been fun edit: Trancer, congrats - you are easily the biggest clown in this thread |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X That you obediently accept the official theory at face value despite the co-chairs (Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton) having admitted in their book Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission that it was set up to fail gives me the feeling that you haven't even begun to look at any of this in a truly objective manner and are just here to refute anyone who opposes the government's official version of events despite what facts, clues, or otherwise that people might be presenting. I mean, how convenient that we ought to just forget about the stonewalling done by Bush and Cheney, the deception of the 9/11 Commission by the Pentagon, the destruction of the audio tapes by the FAA managers, the multiple war games/terror drills/training exercises that ran concurrent to the actual attacks, the Israeli's who were surveilling the attacks, Rumsfeld's Freudian slip on the plane that we shot down over PA (which left an 8 mile long debris trail), etc. |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X That you need a peer-reviewed journal to see the forest for the trees is just your way of maintaining the illusion which has been perpetuated by an overly corrupt and possibly complicit administration. |
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| Originally posted by XaNaX Wrong. I have no love for the administration or their official theory, I think half of them are a bunch of assclowns. What I have a problem with is that in 7 years the truthers have not been able to dig up one single piece of solid evidence to support any of their theories. If the Bush administration is filled with as many bumbling idiots as you say it is wouldn't they have slipped up by now and at least one piece of real evidence would have gotten out? And real evidence is not someone misspeaking, an eye witness account given by some nutjob, or a theory based totally on the opinion of someone with no credentials. What I'm attacking is the way you clowns post opinions, theories, hearsay, and conjecture as though they were fact, thinking if you fill an entire page full of ramblings that somehow makes them credible. lol thanks for illustrating my point. If I told you that I could turn an ordinary rock into gold would you just believe my word or would you like to see evidence, and would you like my process that I claim works to be peer reviewed? That is what you idiots are asking us to do. I really want to believe your side Trancer, so how about posting some legitimate evidence that would stand up to review to convince me |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X I think that you put on a good front but as far as I know it's not, nor will it ever be the truther's job to dig for "solid evidence." That's the job of FBI's, the DIA's, the NSA's, the CIA's, and all the other alphabet agencies who have the power to investigate and/or subpoena possible suspects. |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X You guys are supposed to be serving us, not the criminals who are getting away with killing thousands of our countrymen and women but I guess you don't quite get that, do you? It's blatantly obvious that you're just here to maintain the status quo and are not concerned with any sort of moral justification, whether it be right or wrong. You're only worried about maintaining that small shadow of a doubt so that you can keep your measly little jobs while the criminals continue to run free. Effing traitors to humanity you all are but it's cool, though. I've never professed to have all the answers but at least I try to do what little I can -and I'm not the one living with a warped and tainted soul. |
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| Originally posted by XaNaX so you think it is ok to make baseless claims and then back them up with no evidence and people are supposed to take you seriously? I think you have lost all touch with reality. FYI - I don't work for the US Government I suggest calling your doctor immediately, it was a mistake for you to quit taking your meds |
I need to take advantage of the fact that I'm still able to talk about these things because pretty soon it will be too late (considering that section Section 899B of the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 AKA the Thought-crimes bill equates 9/11 truth with terrorism.)
Definitely NOT a baseless claim! lol
We need more Senators like Karen Johnson!!
I wish more politicians would speak ON THE RECORD like she did!
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X What are these baseless claims that you speak of? Care to elaborate? I think that perhaps you should take a good look at the hypocrisy of your own words. In just about every one of your posts you blindly defend the indefensible so how else do you think that I would perceive you besides being some cowardly shill for a murderously hawkish and corrupt administration. If you really thought that what I've been posting or saying on here is so ludicrous then why would you feel such a need to resort to personal attacks and underhanded insinuations in the attempt to defame me? Why not try to refute the points which have been brought up? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T!! |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X If you really thought that I was full of crap and offered no evidence about 9/11 then you would be able to simply leave me alone but no, you're stuck in this thread like white on rice. I saw how you did the same thing to Colurut and now you're doing it to me, something I pretty much expected. |
Hilarious, Trancer-X posts facts after more facts including people who where actually at ground zero during 9/11 and the usual trolls just come back with insults and nothing to back them up.
Figures, if you cannot debunk the reality of it better to call someone an ass clown.
LOL
trolls.
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| Originally posted by culorut Hilarious, Trancer-X posts facts after more facts including people who where actually at ground zero during 9/11 and the usual trolls just come back with insults and nothing to back them up. Figures, if you cannot debunk the reality of it better to call someone an ass clown. LOL trolls. |
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| Originally posted by XaNaX Hmmm how about your claims that WTC7 was blown up and that the Pentagon was struck by something other than Flight 77. You are right, I don't really need to defame you, your posts in this thread speak for themselves. Well the two of you use the same taticts in trolling this thread, it is only natural that I respond to both of you in the same way. Like I said, I'm retiring from this thread. After I leave work today I'll not even view it again. |
Interesting to note that the towers were insulated with asbestos.
...now, how could that be solved? a lengthy, very expensive renovation?
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Of course, Economy 101 really, if you cant afford to renovate a building fly a plane into it and blow it up. Much less hassle to clean up all the debris and those few thousand dead bodies than to remove all the asbestos.
and the contract to build a bigger one. :P
really, i was being facetious.
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| Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Interesting to note that the towers were insulated with asbestos. |
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| Originally posted by jerZ07002 so is every other building built in NYC (and most parts of the country) in the 60s and 70s. this thread needs to die!!! |
I just clicked on this poll's results for the first time ever and noticed "yes" is winning by a decent margin.
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| Originally posted by noikeee I just clicked on this poll's results for the first time ever and noticed "yes" is winning by a decent margin. |
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| Originally posted by Moongoose Of course, Economy 101 really, if you cant afford to renovate a building fly a plane into it and blow it up. Much less hassle to clean up all the debris and those few thousand dead bodies than to remove all the asbestos. |
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| FBI Prevents Agents from Telling 'Truth' About 9/11 on PBS Published on 01-10-2008 Source: CQ Politics The FBI has blocked two of its veteran counterterrorism agents from going public with accusations that the CIA deliberately withheld crucial intelligence before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. FBI Special Agents Mark Rossini and Douglas Miller have asked for permission to appear in an upcoming public television documentary, scheduled to air in January, on pre-9/11 rivalries between the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency. The program is a spin-off from The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America, by acclaimed investigative reporter James Bamford, due out in a matter of days. The FBI denied Rossini and Miller permission to participate in the book or the PBS "NOVA" documentary, which is also being written and produced by Bamford, on grounds that the FBI "doesn't want to stir up old conflicts with the CIA," according to multiple reliable sources. Bamford, contacted by phone, said he could not comment because his publisher has embargoed his new book for release around Oct. 10. The author of two other ground-breaking books on the NSA, Bamford also said his general policy is not to discuss his negotiations for interviews with intelligence agencies. Pre-9/11 intelligence mishaps have been generally attributed to bureaucratic screw-ups -- a "failure to connect the dots," exacerbated by spy agency rivalries. But Rossini and Miller, who were assigned to the CIA-run Counterterrorist Center during the run-up to the 9/11 attacks, are prepared to describe on camera how the CIA blocked them from sharing crucial intelligence with FBI headquarters - and then later pressured them not to tell the truth to investigators. The first allegation is not entirely new, having been reported by author Lawrence Wright in his 2006 book, The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11, among other places. But what is new is that Rossini and Miller -- who still hold sensitive jobs in the FBI, and are identified here for the first time -- are prepared to say publicly that, under pressure from the CIA, they kept the full the truth from the Justice Department's Inspector General, which looked into the FBI's handling of pre-9/11 intelligence in 2004. "There was pressure on people not to disclose what really happened," said sources close to the IG investigation. Rossini, in particular, is said to have felt threatened that the CIA would have him prosecuted for violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act if he told the IG investigators what really happened inside the CTC. CIA officials were in the room when he and Miller, as well as a sympathetic CIA officer, were questioned. The IG investigators showed them copies of CTC intelligence reports and e-mails. But the FBI agents suddenly couldn't remember details about who said what, or who reported what, to whom, about the presence of two al Qaeda agents in the U.S. prior to the 9/11 attacks, The IG investigators were suspicious. Indeed, their report, which used pseudonyms for the CIA and FBI agents its interviewed -- Rossini and Miller were called "Malcolm" and "Dwight," a CIA analyst was dubbed "Eric" -- hinted at a cover-up. "When we interviewed all of the individuals involved about the CIR [Current Intelligence Report] they asserted that they recalled nothing about it," it said The focus of the IG was what the CIA had witheld about the movement of two al Qaeda operatives, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, from Malaysia to the U.S. in early 2000.
But he and Miller did come clean during an internal FBI investigation, which remains under wraps. Sources with direct knowledge of the FBI's internal probe say that the agents provided the bureau with unadulterated versions of their CTC experiences, including orders they were given by the center's then-Deputy Director, Tom Wilshire, to withhold intelligence about the movement of al Qaeda operatives into the country from the FBI. When the agents asked permission to tell that same story on television, the FBI initially agreed, but then cancelled at the last moment, two sources involved in the deliberations said, with the explanation that it didn't want to risk inflaming the CIA. The FBI's top spokesman, Assistant Director John Miller, did not respond to an e-mail requesting comment. Agent Douglas Miller has said that he doesn't have "a rational answer" to explain why the CIA blocked him from sharing information with the bureau, particularly a report of such obvious magnitude about al Qaeda operatives in the U.S. He speculated that CIA officials at the CTC were annoyed that he had encroached on their territory. A CIA spokesman, Paul Gimigliano, ridiculed the allegations. "I have every reason--every reason--to believe that's complete garbage," he said in a brief telephone interview. "Not only did the 9/11 Commission look at the matter in detail, but former Director George Tenet wrote about it at some length in his book." But the Justice Department Inspector general contradicted Tenet's assertion that the CIA shared its intelligence on al Qaeda operatives in a timely fashion with the FBI. "We reviewed whether this information was in fact passed to the FBI by the CIA, and based on the evidence, concluded that while the CIA passed some of the information about Mihdhar to the FBI, it did not contemporaneously pass the information about Mihdhar's U.S. visa to the FBI," the IG report said. "We concluded it was not disclosed by the CIA until late August 2001, shortly before the September 11 terrorist attacks." Another intelligence source said the CIA feared that if FBI headquarters learned of the suspects' arrival in the U.S., it would try to arrest them -- and bust up a sensitive CIA operation to penetrate al Qaeda. Mihdhar and Hazmi were plotting an attack outside of the United States, the CIA believed, and wanted the FBI to stay clear of them. "They said it has nothing to do with the FBI, the next attack will be in Southeast Asia," said a source familiar with the details. "They said, 'It's none of your business.'" Rossini and other FBI counterterrorism agents were furious, according to a knowledgeable source. The FBI is responsible for investigating domestic-based plots. "They're here!" Rossini protested to his CTC bosses. "It is FBI business." The IG report criticized Douglas Miller ("Dwight") for not ignoring CIA objections and sending his crucially important report on Mihdhar to FBI headquarters. But Miller, who held the relatively low rank of GS-12 at the time, told investigators that it was unthinkable for him to violate the orders of his CTC superiors. He would have been fired, "sent home," he told them. Miller would be happy to give CIA officials the benefit of the doubt in a television interview, he has told friends, conceding that there may have been good reasons for their decisions that he was not aware of. He has described the CTC as place filled with dedicated professionals who were "America's lowest paid professional workers on an hourly basis," for all the pressure-packed time they spent trying to detect terrorist plots. But unless the FBI changes its mind, he'll have to keep that story to himself. http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-1702-0-0-0--.html |
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| Originally posted by Moongoose Of course, Economy 101 really, if you cant afford to renovate a building fly a plane into it and blow it up. Much less hassle to clean up all the debris and those few thousand dead bodies than to remove all the asbestos. |
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| Court rules in favor of Silverstein, Westfield over World Trade Center insurance A U.S. District Court has ruled in favor of developer Larry Silverstein and Westfield America Trust, denying a claim filed by the Allianz Insurance Co. that the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the two towers of New York City�s World Trade Center constituted a single occurrence. Westfield and Silverstein, which both signed 99-year leases to the property just months before two hijacked planes were crashed into the buildings, have challenged several insurers who insist the attack should be considered one event. The insured, which include others besides Silverstein and Westfield, could receive up to $6.7 billion if it is ruled that the attacks were two events, as opposed to $3.6 billion for one event. Allianz is responsible for $432.6 million per occurrence, the judge ruled, or $865.2 million. The company had claimed in a motion that because coverage of acts of "vandalism and malicious mischief" taking place within any 72-hour period is treated as one event, the same should apply to its World Trade Center policy. Judge John S. Martin of the U.S. District Court in New York City responded, "It cannot be said that the ordinary businessman would consider an act of wanton terrorism such as the attack on the World Trade Center to be an act of malicious mischief or vandalism." Silverstein spokesman Howard J. Rubenstein said he expects future rulings with other Trade Center insurers to go the developer�s way. "We remain confident in our position that the crashes of two separate planes into two separate buildings at two separate times entitle Silverstein and other insureds to recover on a two-occurrence basis," he said. Silverstein and Westfield lost a round last year when a court defined the attacks as a single event for insurance purposes. The insured have filed an appeal of that ruling, and a March 24 hearing has been scheduled at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, New York City. Westfield holds the lease for the 400,000-square-foot mall that lay at the foot of one of the Trade Center�s towers, and Silverstein has the lease on the office space in both buildings. No one has disclosed how any recovered money would be divided among the insured. http://www.icsc.org/srch/front/200301301206.htm |
I haven't watched it in its entirety yet but I thought that this video seemed to cover both sides,
both skeptics of the official theory and official theorists alike (from what I saw.)
Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower
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FBI Prevents Agents from Telling �Truth� About 9/11 on PBS
The FBI has blocked two of its veteran counterterrorism agents from going public with accusations that the CIA deliberately withheld crucial intelligence before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
FBI Special Agents Mark Rossini and Douglas Miller have asked for permission to appear in an upcoming public television documentary, scheduled to air in January, on pre-9/11 rivalries between the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency.
The program is a spin-off from The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America, by acclaimed investigative reporter James Bamford, due out in a matter of days.
The FBI denied Rossini and Miller permission to participate in the book or the PBS �NOVA� documentary, which is also being written and produced by Bamford, on grounds that the FBI �doesn�t want to stir up old conflicts with the CIA,� according to multiple reliable sources.
Bamford, contacted by phone, said he could not comment because his publisher has embargoed his new book for release around Oct. 10.
The author of two other ground-breaking books on the NSA, Bamford also said his general policy is not to discuss his negotiations for interviews with intelligence agencies.
Pre-9/11 intelligence mishaps have been generally attributed to bureaucratic screw-ups � a �failure to connect the dots,� exacerbated by spy agency rivalries.
But Rossini and Miller, who were assigned to the CIA-run Counterterrorist Center during the run-up to the 9/11 attacks, are prepared to describe on camera how the CIA blocked them from sharing crucial intelligence with FBI headquarters - and then later pressured them not to tell the truth to investigators.
The first allegation is not entirely new, having been reported by author Lawrence Wright in his 2006 book, The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11, among other places.
But what is new is that Rossini and Miller � who still hold sensitive jobs in the FBI, and are identified here for the first time � are prepared to say publicly that, under pressure from the CIA, they kept the full the truth from the Justice Department�s Inspector General, which looked into the FBI�s handling of pre-9/11 intelligence in 2004.
�There was pressure on people not to disclose what really happened,� said sources close to the IG investigation.
Rossini, in particular, is said to have felt threatened that the CIA would have him prosecuted for violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act if he told the IG investigators what really happened inside the CTC.
CIA officials were in the room when he and Miller, as well as a sympathetic CIA officer, were questioned.
The IG investigators showed them copies of CTC intelligence reports and e-mails.
But the FBI agents suddenly couldn�t remember details about who said what, or who reported what, to whom, about the presence of two al Qaeda agents in the U.S. prior to the 9/11 attacks,
The IG investigators were suspicious.
Indeed, their report, which used pseudonyms for the CIA and FBI agents its interviewed � Rossini and Miller were called �Malcolm� and �Dwight,� a CIA analyst was dubbed �Eric� � hinted at a cover-up.
�When we interviewed all of the individuals involved about the CIR [Current Intelligence Report] they asserted that they recalled nothing about it,� it said
The focus of the IG was what the CIA had witheld about the movement of two al Qaeda operatives, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, from Malaysia to the U.S. in early 2000.
Dwight told the OIG that he did not recall being aware of the information about Mihdhar, did not recall drafting the CIR, did not recall whether he drafted the CIR on his own initiative or at the direction of his supervisor, and did not recall any discussions about the reasons for delaying completion and dissemination of the CIR. Malcolm said he did not recall reviewing any of the cable traffic or any information regarding Hazmi and Mihdhar. Eric told the OIG that he did not recall the CIR.
Subsequently, Rossini and Miller were not subpoenaed by the 9/11 Commission to tell what they knew, even though sources say they were eager to do so.
But he and Miller did come clean during an internal FBI investigation, which remains under wraps.
Sources with direct knowledge of the FBI�s internal probe say that the agents provided the bureau with unadulterated versions of their CTC experiences, including orders they were given by the center�s then-Deputy Director, Tom Wilshire, to withhold intelligence about the movement of al Qaeda operatives into the country from the FBI.
http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpre...out-911-on-pbs/
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| CBC National News covers 9/11 Truth, Barrie Zwicker, and the candidate controversy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpqGIPr_1VY |
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| 9/11 Truth nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 2008 by Torstein Viddal Tuesday Oct 7th, 2008 9:29 PM
From Torstein Viddal [1]; Dear friends, (this is the auto-translated Google English version of the story currently heading our truth site 9/11 Truth Norway.) http://www.911truth.no/ [2] http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8[3] 9/11 Truth nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 2008 [4] 4 October 2008 Reason for the nomination of David Ray Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement to the Nobel Peace Prize 2008 Supported by 10 professors, or current or former MPs The wars of the 21st century � what the U.S. President has called 'The global war on terror' - are justified with a tragic event: the attacks against New York and Washington 11 September 2001. This event would come to justify pre-emptive war on enemies who seemed to be everywhere and nowhere. From 2001 terrorism was presented as the biggest threat to Western society, and the foremost evidence of this threat, we were told, were the events of 11 September. In recent years, however, the 9/11 Truth Movement and their outstanding academic David Ray Griffin presented strong evidence that the attacks of 11 September were not carried out by Islamist terrorists, as we have been told, but by a U.S. 'war lite' as an excuse to go to war against Afghanistan and Iraq (wars that were already approved). David Ray Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement have presented convincing evidence showing that this 'war elite' carried out these attacks to establish a new enemy after the Cold War, and to start wars in line with their economic and political interests. We believe the most important contribution to peace in the 21st century is the disclosure of these elite political games and the removal of the false reasons for its aggressive wars. This Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement have done in an excellent way. If the attack on 11 September was a U.S. 'false flag operation' to justify wars in the Middle East, the disclosure of that fact should be honored with the Nobel Peace Prize. We therefore nominate this David Ray Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement to share the Nobel Peace Prize for 2008. Since 2001, the major mass media - the major newspapers, TV channels and news agencies - have been instruments of war propaganda. While more and more academics, military officers and intelligence analysts presented a growing amount of evidence that 9/11-angrepene against New York and Washington were carried out by people inside the United States system, not mainstream media reported this information. Despite the fact that almost 50% of the U.S. population is skeptical of the official version of 11 September, the mass media has not presented the background for this skepticism. The regular mass media's inability to safeguard their democratic responsibilities have forced the 9/11 Truth Movement to put their information on the Internet. Despite the corruption in the regular mass media David Ray Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement have been able to present significant information that could have turned war to peace. This, as we understand it made them the most worthy candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize. The 9/11 Truth Movement began as a marginal group of activists and academics who questioned the official version of the 11 September events. Today, this movement includes about 100 professors, over 200 architects and engineers, 100 former military officers and intelligence analysts, over 60 pilots and 200 survivors or etterlatte after 11 September (see below). The 9/11 Truth Movement also includes former European government members. It includes a former CIA division chief, a former national Etterretningsoffiser and director of the CIAs Office of Regional and Political Analysis, a former Chairman of the National Intelligence Estimates, a former head of the president's daily update (PDB), a former intelligence leader at the Pentagon, a former the leader of the Star Wars program, a former sjefs�konom for President George W. Bush and a former Deputy Finance Minister and Chief of Wall Street Journal. Many of these people have praised David Ray Griffin's books. The 9/11 Truth Movement has evolved into a larger movement of dissidents who are trying to change the world. Today we have a peace movement with hundreds of thousands of activists who have turned against the lies, like 'global war on terror'. A significant part of this movement of students, professors, intelligence analysts and military officers protest not only against the war. They have also shown that the United States 'war elite' has stood for acts of terrorism as an excuse for their own wars. It is about an old tactic of 'false flag operations' that have been used as long as wars have demanded reasons for initiation: It allows a secret military force or terrorist attack force one's own military forces or one's own people for an attack war to work as a 'response'. Historically speaking, false flag operations have been used by the British, Germans, Americans, Israelis and even the Swedes. USA started the Spanish-American War in 1898 by attacking their own warships USS Maine in Cuba. In 1962, the U.S. military leadership in a secret document to implement a similar attack against its own warships at Guantanamo in Cuba, as well as to bomb their own marinebase, which would look like a Cuban attack. The document suggested the U.S. terrorist attacks with bombs that explode in American cities and Cuban forged documents to put the blame on Cuba and justify a war against Cuba. President John F. Kennedy approved the plan and was not considered to be unacceptable for the 'war elite'. Two years later, however, was a counterfeit North Vietnamese bomb attack against the U.S. Destroyer USS Maddox in the Tonkin Bay justify war against North Vietnam. A year ago, former U.S. national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski spoke in the Senate, and he said that the United States Government through adopting a 'provocation in Iraq or a terrorist attack in the United States attributed to Iran' may attempt to justify a U.S. military attack against Iran. Justification of war is particularly necessary in more or less democratic countries, and false flag operations are the standard technique to justify aggressive attack. All new evidence of what happened on 11 September shows that this attack was a false flag operation. When David Ray Griffin published the book The New Pearl Harbor - Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11 in 2003-2004, he could point out precisely this fact. Soon the 9/11 Truth Movement was born, and it was a global phenomenon. In book after book, video after video and on site by site, the U.S. 'war elite' has been undressed and revealed by Griffin and his colleagues. The 9/11 Truth Movement has pointed to the U.S. official statements that the administration was taken by surprise on 11 September, while a large amount of evidence shows that the Egyptian, Jordanian, Israeli, German, French, British, Russian and U.S. intelligence services in advance informed the U.S. lead on an imminent attack on U.S. soil. Some of these were specific about the airlines intervened in September against U.S. landmarks as the World Trade Center. Senior Agents from the FBI and CIA informed their superiors about the impending attack, but to his great surprise was the top management is not interested in more information. U.S. officers said no one could imagine that terrorists could fly passenger airliners into buildings in such a large scale, while the evidence now point to the fact that U.S. Air Force and other U.S. agencies had trained for such attacks for months. In the months that led up to 11 Sept. they conducted several military exercises with the aircraft that crashed into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. The official story is not credible. The 9/11 Truth Movement has also been able to show that the World Trade Center towers were removed with explosives of military type, and bombs planted in buildings. The 47-stories tall Building 7 was removed without it being hit by any aircraft. Over 100 firefighters are talking about explosives in the buildings. Many witnesses are talking about huge explosions in the building's basement. Garage floor in the basement of the North Tower disappeared in an explosion already when the first plane hit the building. Firefighters talked about 'rivers of molten steel'. When the towers were collapsing, the 'volcanoes' of molten steel,' as lava ', under the destroyed towers, and the melting steel was not cold until months later. Experts have said that 'it even burned fires and cream melted steel 21 days after the attack'. Mayor Rudy Giuliani said that the underground fires 'lasted one hundred days'. For several months cream large amounts of molten steel at Zero point on the World Trade Center, suggesting much higher temperatures than the actual melting point (1,560 � C). Regular fires carbon and oxygen poor carbon fires, as we clearly saw the TV pictures from the World Trade Center towers, will not be near these temperatures. The fact that the molten steel whipped around in the months can only be explained by the massive use of explosives by the military type, or non-conventional weapons. Video and photographs showing massive explosions and molten steel. Specialists point out that steel evaporated. A typical carbon fire can not reach temperatures of over 1000 � C. To evaporate steel need temperatures above 3000 � C. The 9/11 Truth Movement has given a great contribution through collecting the evidence. They know now that the attack on 11 September was a mission conducted by a professional military, and the disclosure of this fact is probably the absolute most important contribution to peace in the 21st century, and the most important motivation for giving the Nobel Peace Prize in 2008 to David Ray Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement. Certain groups in the West has not only been skeptical, but also dismay of the fact that the United States' war elite'could be able to sacrifice thousands of American lives in Washington and New York to create the pretext for wars in the Middle East, and to replace the Soviet enemy with a new enemy after the Cold War. Why would the United States 'war elite' sacrifice American lives, they ask. These groups in the West, said no U.S. elite could be as cynical and cunning. But to replace the Cold War order with a global war on terror has been considered essential for these people. Today we also know that thousands of rescue workers after the World Trade Center towers' collapse has breathed the toxic dust, which has tragic consequences. Far more people actually die of the toxic dust than by the fires and collapse. We know also that the White House instructed EPA pollution audit to give people misleading information - they told the new yorkers that the air was safe to breathe, even though they knew the air was toxic. The White House offered with the knowledge and the willingness of thousands of newyorkere by forcing the EPA to present inaccurate information. The disclosure of the 11 September events as an 'inside job' interferes not only with the justification of the U.S. aggressive war in the oil-rich Middle East and Central Asia, it is also a damper Islamists for the justification of terrorist attacks against Western targets, as Griffin and the 9/11 Truth movement's disclosure of the U.S. 'inside job' can force the Islamist activists or insurgents to understand their own role as pieces in the game of the U.S. authorities. These Islamists will understand that they have been used as useful idiots of the United States 'war elite', which needed these terrorist acts to justify their wars. The contribution from David Ray Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement is not only a blow to America's aggressive wars, these contributions are also a very important blow against an Islamist terrorism that has provoked forward or been used to justify the U.S. war against Muslim countries. In that era the U.S. administration called 'The global war on terror' David Ray Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement have provided the most significant contribution to peace, and for this they should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for 2008. [For more info - contact 9/11 Truth Norway at the address 'press at 911truth.no'.] [PS: The final decision of the Norwegian Nobel Institute is announced on October 10th.] Links: [1] http://viddal.wordpress.com/ [2] http://www.911truth.no/ [3] http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 [4] http://www.911truth.no/2008/10/911-...fredspris-2008/ |
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