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Which box will hit the ground first, the one with the path of least resistance? Or the will the box that needs to plow through 3 other boxes hit the ground first?

Wrong! They'll both hit the ground at the same time, because the laws of physics are a joke! Totally fucking arbitrary, we just think they're important, but are really of no consequence to reality.


Right? Our Universe abides by Calculus.

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You're the one whose too much of a pussy to debate, you plagiarizing wimp...

Debate what exactly? You posted the popular mechanics bullshit which has been done a million times already and I responded with three replies which clearly shows popular mechanics has an agenda to cover up the truth.

I mean fuck the guys over at popular mechanics could not even answer simple questions when confronted directly at what they published and you want to use this comic book as your backup?

Fail.

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Wrong! They'll both hit the ground at the same time, because the laws of physics are a joke! Totally fucking arbitrary, we just think they're important, but are really of no consequence to reality.

Anything can happen when you believe in fairy tales b.s.e.

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Originally posted by culorut Anything can happen when you believe in fairy tales b.s.e.

It's like someone's turning a 600W light on in a dark room, and everyone covers their eyes and tries to go back to sleep.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} It's like someone's turning a 600W light on in a dark room, and everyone covers their eyes and tries to go back to sleep.

What are you, Jesus?

John 1:5 - The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

You guys believe so much in your conspiracy theories, it's become dogmatic. Woe to us who disagree!

That's exactly it, you can disagree but don't expect people to not correct you on bullshit official fairy tale posts regarding 9/11.

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Originally posted by Krypton What are you, Jesus? John 1:5 - The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. You guys believe so much in your conspiracy theories, it's become dogmatic. Woe to us who disagree!

Polly wanna cracker?

Why is it that we get our balls broken for attempting to remove the clouds from your vision of reality? This is not conspiracy. There are completely legitimate reasons to have an independent investigation.

Because the Official Story is as 'holey' as the Bible.

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Originally posted by culorut That's exactly it, you can disagree but don't expect people to not correct you on bullshit official fairy tale posts regarding 9/11.

No I can't disagree, because, you immediately call your skeptics trolls, or insult their intelligence. In fact, you abjectly refuse to debate me on any of your points. As I've said time and again, several of you expect the rest of us to accept, without question, your world view. Woe to those of us who don't believe you have a case! We are sinners!

I'll challenge you again, colorut. Can you provide me with one point from your 9/11 conspiracy theory, without plagiarizing someone else's work? Feel free to source your argument. But I will not argue against Alex Jones or Ron Paul or Loose Change, since they are not here themselves to argue against me, but colorut, and others of you, are. If you provide me with a point, in your own words, I will expound upon it. If you want to return to the endless flaming, feel free to post another one of your "I don't have to debate, look at history" posts.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Polly wanna cracker?

Are you Polly? You seem to think you're the light of the world just like Jesus.

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Originally posted by Krypton No I can't disagree, because, you immediately call your skeptics trolls, or insult their intelligence. In fact, you abjectly refuse to debate me on any of your points. As I've said time and again, several of you expect the rest of us to accept, without question, your world view. Woe to those of us who don't believe you have a case! We are sinners! I'll challenge you again, colorut. Can you provide me with one point from your 9/11 conspiracy theory, without plagiarizing someone else's work? Feel free to source your argument. But I will not argue against Alex Jones or Ron Paul or Loose Change, since they are not here themselves to argue against me, but colorut, and others of you, are. If you provide me with a point, in your own words, I will expound upon it. If you want to return to the endless flaming, feel free to post another one of your "I don't have to debate, look at history" posts.

Shut the fuck up already, I call out trolls for trolling you moron. Look at my signature, I caught PKC red handed.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Why is it that we get our balls broken for attempting to remove the clouds from your vision of reality? This is not conspiracy. There are completely legitimate reasons to have an independent investigation.

Again, with the Jesus talk. Dude, you're not the light of the world......in fact, our side, believes that you guys have blurry vision when it comes to this subject. It IS a conspiracy because none of you, not even Alex Jones, has proved without a shadow of a doubt, 9/11 was a government conspiracy. But as with any religious dogma, it is to be unquestionably accepted, or else!!

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Because the Official Story is as 'holey' as the Bible.

If the official story has "holes" in it, your guy's conspiratorial theories have giant pits, no oceanic trenches, no BLACK HOLES, in yours!!!

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Originally posted by culorut Shut the fuck up already, I call out trolls for trolling you moron. Look at my signature, I caught PKC red handed.

Nope, I won't STFU. I'm going to enjoy hounding you every step of the way. You pussy ass wimp. When challenged, you scurry like a little dog with its tail in between its legs. Your bark (calling people trolls) is much louder than your bite (plagiarizing arguments)!!..You're a disgrace to this forum..

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Originally posted by Krypton Again, with the Jesus talk. Dude, you're not the light of the world......in fact, our side, believes that you guys have blurry vision when it comes to this subject. It IS a conspiracy because none of you, not even Alex Jones, has proved without a shadow of a doubt, 9/11 was a government conspiracy. But as with any religious dogma, it is to be unquestionably accepted, or else!! If the official story has "holes" in it, your guy's conspiratorial theories have giant pits, no oceanic trenches, no BLACK HOLES, in yours!!!

Labeling it a Government Conspiracy is misleading. A rogue faction within the political system, conspiring with the corporate elite is much more accurate.

Have you ever read the 9-11 Timeline? Or the Timeline leading up to September 11th?

Speaking to you people generates the idea that you don't actually want to know, or refuse to think for yourself. There are so many things that are wrong in the Official Story, it's a matter of looking past the Popular Mechanics lies and into the media suppression of Building 7.

People all over the world are waking up to this. It was mentioned in Japanese Parliament. These are intelligent people, unswayed or hyponotised by the boobtube and a foreign nation's government's lies.

These are the people I look to for advice and insight. Not government shills and corporate sellout cocksuckers.

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Originally posted by Krypton Are you Polly? You seem to think you're the light of the world just like Jesus.

Labels labels labels.

No, that's you labeling me. I made use of a metaphor, and now your flogging dead molly into town, because the well you were going to went dryer than the wetmatter between your ears.

Go back to sleep.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Go back to sleep.

I thought I was supposed to pray?

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Originally posted by Krypton Again, with the Jesus talk. Dude, you're not the light of the world......in fact, our side, believes that you guys have blurry vision when it comes to this subject. It IS a conspiracy because none of you, not even Alex Jones, has proved without a shadow of a doubt, 9/11 was a government conspiracy. But as with any religious dogma, it is to be unquestionably accepted, or else!!

Academia is the new religious dogma in case you didn't notice.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Labeling it a Government Conspiracy is misleading. A rogue faction within the political system, conspiring with the corporate elite is much more accurate. Have you ever read the 9-11 Timeline? Or the Timeline leading up to September 11th? Speaking to you people generates the idea that you don't actually want to know, or refuse to think for yourself. There are so many things that are wrong in the Official Story, it's a matter of looking past the Popular Mechanics lies and into the media suppression of Building 7. People all over the world are waking up to this. It was mentioned in Japanese Parliament. These are intelligent people, unswayed or hyponotised by the boobtube and a foreign nation's government's lies. These are the people I look to for advice and insight. Not government shills and corporate sellout cocksuckers.

The problem with this conspiracy theory are several...

1. There are no coincidences. Everything is intentional and is the result of some secret cabal of evil men bent on world domination.

2. The use of truth molded to fit the conspiritorial view of what happened. Conspiracy theorists have already made up their mind. Therefore, any actual facts are interpreted through the lens of a conspiracy.

The links you posted to me, do nothing to confirm a 9/11 conspiracy. The 9/11 timeline gives me a verifiable timeline. Great. Doesn't prove a government conspiracy though. The Japanese parliament transcript. He just rehashes the 9/11 truther theories, and proves nothing. I have also looked at the engineer/archetects for 911 truth. If they want to investigate themselves, by all means, I support them. An independent 911 commission. I support that also. Until then, nothing has been proved without a doubt by the 911 truth movement. Zip. Nada. Null. Zero.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Academia is the new religious dogma in case you didn't notice.

At least in academia, there is room for constructive, rational, organized debate grounded in reality. Trying to debate with colorut is like bashing my head into a brick wall. Hmm, kind of like trying to debate with fundamentalist theists...

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Originally posted by Krypton At least in academia, there is room for constructive, rational, organized debate grounded in reality.

Right, if I've come across as a bit zealous, or ambitious in my posts I apologise. As it stands, I've made a valid point [one pertaining to the common perception of reality]: The time it took the WTC Building 7 was roughly that which is calculated to be free fall speed. Free fall speed is only witnessed in a controlled atmosphere, with no resistance from matter on its path from A to B, unassisted by any force than gravity.

That being said, regardless of my understanding of calculus, the Law of Conservation of Momentum is sound as fuck, and I do not need to know the numbers behind it. It is proven. Beyond a theory, like the Pancake Theory. lol

How can the Laws of Physics be used to explain this situation other than in the way that is suggested by the Law of Conservation of Momentum? A systematic collapse would imply that the fire was exactly the same raging temperature all through the building, and all of the steel gave way at the exact same time. That is another incorrect assertion of logic, because we know that symmetry does not exist in nature, and a fire-instigated collapse would be much more asymmetrical and uncontrolled. Where there is a pattern, there is the hand of man.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Right, if I've come across as a bit zealous, or ambitious in my posts I apologise. As it stands, I've made a valid point [one pertaining to the common perception of reality]: The time it took the WTC Building 7 was roughly that which is calculated to be free fall speed. Free fall speed is only witnessed in a controlled atmosphere, with no resistance from matter on its path from A to B, unassisted by any force than gravity. That being said, regardless of my understanding of calculus, the Law of Conservation of Momentum is sound as fuck, and I do not need to know the numbers behind it. It is proven. Beyond a theory, like the Pancake Theory. lol How can the Laws of Physics be used to explain this situation other than in the way that is suggested by the Law of Conservation of Momentum? A systematic collapse would imply that the fire was exactly the same raging temperature all through the building, and all of the steel gave way at the exact same time. That is another incorrect assertion of logic, because we know that symmetry does not exist in nature, and a fire-instigated collapse would be much more asymmetrical and uncontrolled. Where there is a pattern, there is the hand of man.

I don't see you as a ranting and raving idiot, so even though I completely disagree with you, I still respect your opinion. Here you are giving your personal thoughts on the subject, with sources you believe help your case, unlike our resident plagiarizers who are incapable for formulating their own opinions but rely on those of others, even though they claim to be open-minded individuals.

/rant

I just think you're wrong. I do however believe, the government failed to prevent the attack, and that is wholly their fault. Independent 911 commission, I support that. I do not however support any notion that the towers were rigged to explode. There is not, any conclusive evidence whatsoever, that that happened. All you've got is questionable indirect evidence, which we must assume conspiracy first, to interpret this inconclusive so-called evidence. Sorry man, but that won't cut it.

Take the "bomb" sounds for example. That could be ANYTHING. No one saw them, not one person is implicated in setting them, or detonating them, only "boom" noises. Well, "boom" could be anything. It could be water tanks exploding, gas tanks exploding, pipes exploding, structural failure, etc. etc. No has yet come forward with any "piece of the bomb". Nothing. No one has admitted to planting bombs, or even accused anyone else of doing so. You've got nothing. Additionally, why fly commercial jets into the buildings if they were going to bomb them? What was it for? Special effect? Think about it. Occam's Razor man. There is no rational answer to that question. Why? Well, there were no bombs!

I'm just curious if the intellectually honest proponents of the pancake theory and Al-Qaeda conspiracy theory have any arguments other than the appeal to authority logical fallacy and juvenile ad hominen trolling tactics . You guys seem to get all bent out of shape when people don't buy your fallacy laden arguments:

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An appeal to authority or argument by authority is a type of argument in logic called a fallacy. It bases the truth value of an assertion on the authority, knowledge, expertise, or position of the person asserting it. It is also known as argument from authority, argumentum ad verecundiam (Latin: argument to respect) or ipse dixit (Latin: he himself said it). It is one method of obtaining propositional knowledge, but a fallacy in regard to logic, because the validity of a claim does not follow from the credibility of the source. The corresponding reverse case would be an ad hominem attack: to imply that the claim is false because the asserter lacks authority or is otherwise objectionable in some way.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority

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Originally posted by Krypton I don't see you as a ranting and raving idiot, so even though I completely disagree with you, I still respect your opinion. Here you are giving your personal thoughts on the subject, with sources you believe help your case, unlike our resident plagiarizers who are incapable for formulating their own opinions but rely on those of others, even though they claim to be open-minded individuals. /rant I just think you're wrong. I do however believe, the government failed to prevent the attack, and that is wholly their fault. Independent 911 commission, I support that. I do not however support any notion that the towers were rigged to explode. There is not, any conclusive evidence whatsoever, that that happened. All you've got is questionable indirect evidence, which we must assume conspiracy first, to interpret this inconclusive so-called evidence. Sorry man, but that won't cut it. Take the "bomb" sounds for example. That could be ANYTHING. No one saw them, not one person is implicated in setting them, or detonating them, only "boom" noises. Well, "boom" could be anything. It could be water tanks exploding, gas tanks exploding, pipes exploding, structural failure, etc. etc. No has yet come forward with any "piece of the bomb". Nothing. No one has admitted to planting bombs, or even accused anyone else of doing so. You've got nothing. Additionally, why fly commercial jets into the buildings if they were going to bomb them? What was it for? Special effect? Think about it. Occam's Razor man. There is no rational answer to that question. Why? Well, there were no bombs!

I know you think I'm wrong, but unfortunately 2+2 does not equal 5, as they have you believing right now. There are so many eyewitnesses to testify secondary and tertiary explosions, everyone just chooses to overlook what they have to say, in favour ignoring logical thought process and analytical thought.

No one sees history as context in daily life and common reality, but you can be sure that they have been planning this for a long time. A Project For A New American Century outlines the NeoCon's agenda pretty well; A new Pearl Harbour indeed. Let alone think that those who failed to see Project Northwoods to fruition would let their idea go to waste; Kennedy and any resistance long since dead.

A deliberate failure of defense, killing many many Americans. Not only did the American Government know about 9-11 and fail to prevent the attack, they watched it unfold, protecting the hijackers as they made their way toward their *chuckle* destiny. One of the hijackers is even reported to have lived with an FBI informant.

The Bush administration has lied on every front about the Attack. Whether we're talking about Bush 'forgetting' where he actually saw the attack, claiming he saw the first plane strike the towers, when in fact the first impact was not shown live on television. Or SecDef Rummy lying about how no one would have ever conceived of terrorists using planes against them as weapons - of course we all know differently by now.

If you're wondering why the planes, let's think of it this way: they knew it was going to happen, but they knew that the WTC had been designed to withstand several plane crashes - and we should know by now that it has survived a pretty devastating fire in '75. LINK

When could they have set the place up for demolition? It is possible that in 1996, when Securacom took over WTC security and installed a new $8.3 million security system, that the explosives and charges were also put in place. Sitting on the board of Securacom was the director Marvin Bush, George Bush�s younger brother.

Now, we all know that the FBI aided and abetted the attacks on the WTC in '93, and if not, you should.

So, in light of the corruption of past administrations, why should you give the current one credit whatsoever? Wouldn't it be a bigger leap in judgement to take their word?

Great post b.s.e., sums it up very nicely.

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Originally posted by culorut Great post b.s.e., sums it up very nicely.

I forgot to mention the Gulf of Tonkin Incident lie.

I doubt they noticed.

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