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Originally posted by arctic Many atheists are far more moral than Christians - any suggestion to the contrary should be backed up by the evidence

So should the original statement ^_^

Point is people are people. Religion helps a lot of people who would typically follow their baser/negative instincts/feelings reject them. Sometimes its annoying. Some of my (ex)friends wouldnt watch movies over PG-13 because the depictions in it were "wrong". Extremism disgusts me.

I agree that an atheist/secularist can be just as, if not more, moral than someone "who believe in God". Point is, even the devils and Satan himself believe in God. Its what you do with the knowledge that counts.

This next statement isnt really for arguing, again its just a belief that ive come to (also I read CS Lewis "Mere Christianity" and "The Abolition of Man" and was blown away):

The Moral Law is the same as the Law of Gravity. I.E., Whether or not you believe in its existence, it is still something that is obeyed. Ideas of Right and Wrong are generally held universal. Moral Relativism can suck it

So with that being said, whether or not you are a "good person" has nothing to do with your beliefs. The divergence in belief comes to the whole "Judgment" thing. An atheist will think that rape is bad just like a Jew. But* The Jew thinks that by not doing it he will go to Heaven. That is in addition to him already thinking its wrong due to the Moral Law.

So, technically, a religious type should have MORE motivation to not do things considered "wrong".

My problem is that most people use forgiveness as a Get Out of Jail Free card...except there is infinite of them. The whole key to the Forgiveness thing is Repentence, however. And to try and pull a fast one on the All Knowing/All Powerful one is calling your God stupid...and you believe in Him??

I have a lot of problems with a lot of people and codified religions and beliefs. They lead to extremism, stagnation, and unwillingness.

In religion, one should find themself anew, and grow. Not petrify into a mold made several thousand years ago. To believe that God doesnt understand change and time and human progress...Hey Zeus Christo. What a morbidly depressing religion that would be.

Most people don't even know Im Christian unless they see my cross or ask me. I have a reputation as being "One of the good guys, someone you can come to if you need help, no matter what". Eventually we have a discussion on my belief system, mainly because Ill bring it up if Im pissed at how you are treating a woman or something. Sometimes it helps them, sometimes it doesnt. Find your own way.

I think one of the most important things you can do in your life is become an independent thinker, something many people fail to do. Seperate rant though, goes into character and will

done for now

I have nothing against people who believe in god so long as they don't start preaching to me and acting like they are better than me. My biggest pet peeve is with organized religion. They make up all these man made rules and stories (aka bible) and then they build hierarchy organization to dictate the terms and criteria to get into heaven. With all due respect the pope and the rest of his cronies can go f*uck off. God never anointed them his ambassador. To add insutlt to injury, they have used their power to mislead the people and stand in the way of progress (science).

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Originally posted by Slylee just to set the record straight, in no way am i "religious". i just happen to be aware of God and i'm pretty spiritual. i sin every day, but i try to be a good person. "sin" meaning pre marital sex with my boyfriend, white lies, smoke pot...the usual. i'm not a bad person though, just a product of society like all of us. i try to rise above most of the every day sins that people do unconciously, like greed, resentment, envy...all of those every day feelings are considered a sin. like to me, a guy who is rich enough to buy a small country, yet keeps buying porsches, is a sin. you gotta do your part somehow.

Bah, smoking pot isnt a moral issue. Only if because of it you start not going to work, letting studies slip etc...

I drink, and I have a blast. I also have 4.0s and lots of money. I dont drive while under the influence. Its a good, healthy, fun part of my life. Ive smoked pot, was fun. Want to do more.

The Bible says to abide by the laws of man unless they conflict Gods Law. That could be the only possible justification for thinking its Sin, but I could probably weave a story using the Garden of Eden, plants and vegetarianism, Levitican Law, and an argument against "tests" and "trials" of faith to justify it. The biggest factor would be thinking its wrong and doing it anyway. Thats hard to get around. But if you do a careful self examination of your life and how its affecting you and can honestly think its benefitting your life, how could something positive be against the will of God? Thats unreasonable.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I have nothing against people who believe in god so long as they don't start preaching to me and acting like they are better than me. My biggest pet peeve is with organized religion. They make up all these man made rules and stories (aka bible) and then they build hierarchy organization to dictate the terms and criteria to get into heaven. With all due respect the pope and the rest of his cronies can go f*uck off. God never anointed you his ambassador.

Trust me, they annoy everyone

belive in god

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Originally posted by Orbax Trust me, they annoy everyone

I'll side with Orbax. Mose of us are not squeaky clean, I hope, and therefore sometimes imbibe or toke or do whatever we do. For others to come down on use preaching religion when we haven't commited any serious crime against the bible or local law (public intoxication and pot are both misdemeanors), then WTF? Over.

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