Andy moor... how good is this guy?

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Posted by tactik on Jul-26-2005 16:32:

quote:
Originally posted by kr00t0n
This thread is jokes

Indeed. Been really entertaining. Made my day!

Posted by Tech0rz on Jul-26-2005 16:35:

Amazing how many people can state their opinion as fact, then get pissed when people call them on it (usually with their own opinion, stated as a fact).

Posted by Subtle on Jul-26-2005 16:38:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Because I think he plays to please the masses. He plays middle of the road, offensively unoffensive, boring (imo) music. Okay, so this style of music might appeal to you. The point is, the fact that it's a little bit on the trancey side and a little bit on the proggy side means it's going to take to quite a number of people who are into their prog, and also to a lot of people who listen to their trance. Hence, music for the masses. Now what particulary sickens me about this is in the past I have seen Armin play sets like this for example:

46. V-One - Dead Cities (Force Mass Motion Remix)
47. Silvio Ecomo - No Dip (Mac Zimms Remix)
48. DHS - House Of God (Azzido Da Bass Remix)
49. underworld - Born Slippy (Original Mix)
50. Marco V - Milla
51. D-Factor - The Wrong Shake (Jamie Anderson Remix)
52. Umek - Gatex (Armin Van Buuren Remix)
53. Taiko - Silence (The Joker Remix)

This to me is shit hot. There is thought put into that little segment of his set, and it's pleasing to hear. I refuse to believe that his shift in playlist has been due to anything other than trying to please the masses and become popular. That is a shit attitude to me.
agreed, everything armin have done recently is shite.. he makes bad music, he plays bad music.. and he is getting MORE popular.. Armin van Buuren, WAS my favorite DJ, CAUSE.. he made 5 compilations that were outstandingly great..

Boundaries Of Imagination
Armin van Buuren 001 - State Of Trance
Armin van Buuren 002 - Basic Instinct
Armin van Buuren 003 - In Motion
Armin van Buuren 004 - Transparance

those compilations are one of the best ever, atleast one of the 2 CDs on those were AWESOME...

then he made Universal Religion, were he started to use Envio, Filo & Peri etc. on his compilations.. and he was well whoring out ASOT at that moment.. he went to be the best, to go to on to be the worst and commercial crap or whatever.. and its getting increasingly popular by the new breed, while the good old people are starting to spill their guts..

Posted by DjRonskiSpeed on Jul-26-2005 16:38:

Alot of people have a lot of interesting points about Andy Moor and Armin Incl. (I hate to say it ) DjMikeyMike. Let me start off by saying that Andy Moor is not nearly as good of a producer as he used to be...but that's the case with most trance/house producers these days.

Just think of Armins's Asot and Markus Schultz Global dj broadcast as being the "TRL" of the EDM community. Don't try to talk shit about them just because you disapprove of their track selections, they play 15 to 20 tracks on average per set to give listeners (fans or not) a chance to hear new tracks before its released..Think of it as a "Blessing" to the EDM community. Most of the shit on Mtv is also trash, yet they're ratings are huge because of mass appeal. Just because you don't like the track selection doesn't mean the next person won't, Thats why Armin is still around and is still considered/recognized as one of the top djs in the world and clubs still love to book him.

I guess the "Haters" will always stay on their job even though they know they couldn't budge someone as huge as Armin Van Buuren. Armin and Markus introduced a lot of new producers with talent like Mike Foyle, Hydroid, Elevation, etc. So all you small time producers *cough* DjMikeyMike *cough* and many others, keep on hating. Your not going to stop these very popular Djs doing what they keep doing. Now thats a FACT..Live with it.

Posted by DOOMBOT on Jul-26-2005 16:45:

Universal Religion Live at Armada Ibiza is my fav AvB cd. Quality trance.

Posted by Vyper0987 on Jul-26-2005 17:46:

the thread name should def be changed

Posted by RebeL9 on Jul-26-2005 20:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
true, anyone can produce. but not everyone can produce well. and even to make a track that you guys would call cheap asot crap takes skill to make. and years of practice and exerperience. apart from every now and then when a lucky ****** makes a half decent tune by fluke.

i think a musical background is crucial if u wana be a good producer. unless u produce techno, then it doesnt really matter!

that is bullshit. saying that trance needs a musical background and techno doesnt is the biggest bullshit Ive read in a while.
I bet alot of the melodic producers aired on ASOT never had a musical background. I know two myself (not gonna name them though).

Just because you dont like techno doesnt mean that its easy to produce. Techno is based on loads of rythms and loops which needs to suit perfectly for the dancefloor. And since techno is repetetive it takes lots of skills to make a track which doesnt get boring after a while.
Just look at Mauro Picottos techno tracks for example.
You can clearly hear that the effort he put behind his techno tunes is much bigger than his more commercial tracks. For his melodic tunes like Komodo and Proximus he just sampled some old catchy lyrics and inserted a cheesy melody to please all epic jerks and that was it.

Yes I agree that it doesnt take skills to become a DJ. There are Djs out there who cant even beatmatch (Tiestor, DJ Jean etc) but still are seen as Gods. This is totally unbelievable.
But then we have the really skilled djs which actually knows how to act like a true star behind the decks (Eddie Halliwell, J00F etc) who just doesnt play one track after the other one but actually build up their sets, reads the audience and creates a special mood depending on the crowd. This is easily seen in most J00f sets. He starts out playing deep progressive, going on to some melodic stuff and then ending with banging full on psytrance.

But many of the ASOT "uprising" djs I mentioned totally copies their idols (Tiestor, Armin, Schulz etc) and plays almost the same tunes. What kind of skills does that take?

Trance buisness is becoming a fuckin joke.

oh finally. For you who just discovered Armin I strongly advice you to check out Armins 004 Transparance. A better mixed cd and a better track selection is hard to come by. That in my opinion is Armin at his best. And it makes his compilations and mixes of today looks like goat poo.

Posted by Subtle on Jul-26-2005 20:22:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9

Trance buisness is becoming a fuckin joke.

oh finally. For you who just discovered Armin I strongly advice you to check out Armins 004 Transparance. A better mixed cd and a better track selection is hard to come by. That in my opinion is Armin at his best.
thats so true, and 004 is one of the best compilations ever.. together with 002 CD 1 and 003 CD 1..

Posted by DOOMBOT on Jul-26-2005 21:03:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=music&n=507846

Is that it?

Posted by RebeL9 on Jul-26-2005 21:06:

quote:
Originally posted by DOOMBOT
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=music&n=507846

Is that it?

yep

Posted by DOOMBOT on Jul-26-2005 21:08:

Gonna grab it. Thanks!

Posted by dj jasonF on Jul-26-2005 21:37:

Posted by eRRaTiK on Jul-26-2005 21:49:

Ronski 1 - Mikey 0

btw, good post about AVB/ASOT mikey. i agree with it.

however like it (believe it) or not the big guys are in the business of making money (and a living). to those who have been around a while, you'll notice the change in style, playlists, etc. but give credit to where credit is due - the tiest0rs, oakenfolds, pvds and armins (even MOS and GKs) of the world have brought trance to the masses.

i for one am happy to be able to walk into a general music store in the local mall and find the likes of nu-nrg, magik, tranceport and other quality trance albums there.

yes the ol'skool peepz can bitch about wishing the music had stayed underground and all that, but what's done is done.

i guess we're harsher on the producers of today because it's really in their hands how the music of tomorrow is shaped, and uninspired repetitive (ASOT) productions and dj sets doesn't help. Nor does remixing classics. there are some quality productions out there, but man some stuff sucks the wang like tiest0r sucked mickeymouse.

dj sammy for the win!

anyways, air for life = (imo)

Posted by basd on Jul-26-2005 21:55:

quote:
Originally posted by dj jasonF
why? cuz its not really melodic

Listen to this then. Just released, melodic as hell, techno all the way. You still stand by your statement?

Posted by miamitranceman on Jul-26-2005 22:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
i didnt download it i streamed it in winamp, you arent worth my hd space. it was shit.

Agreed. Anyone can beatmatch and mix like you. Get off Foyle's back.

Posted by Floorfiller on Jul-26-2005 22:10:

quote:
Originally posted by DOOMBOT
But he has openly admitted to the fact that he doesn't like all of the songs that he plays on ASOT. He is just giving producers AND listeners a chance.

i'm not going to get all involved in this thread because i think its pretty stupid...but this is exactly what is wrong with music these days.

why the FUCK would you want to play stuff that you don't think is good? that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. if armin just plays shit because its new and he thinks he's being nice by exposing people to new stuff, no matter how gash it is, that is the wrong attitude. i'm sorry, but if people can't make music that is good...they don't deserve to have it heard...

Posted by noikeee on Jul-26-2005 22:13:

quote:
Originally posted by basd
Listen to this then. Just released, melodic as hell, techno all the way. You still stand by your statement?

that sounds fairly good, what's the name of the track?

Posted by Floorfiller on Jul-26-2005 22:14:

quote:
Originally posted by paranoik0
that sounds fairly good, what's the name of the track?

Electronic Resistance - Human Been

Posted by THE_Chris on Jul-26-2005 22:16:

IMO the last set Armin played I actually enjoyed was his Eliat Israel set from 2003. Then things went badly downhill, for whatever reason

Like Tiesto, things seemed to go downhill after 2002 finished. Whether this was because software took over from hardware suddenly for producing and everyone jumped on the bandwagon I dont know, but in any case, from this set onward, armin went down in my rankings.

Armin Van Buuren @ Eilat,Israel.[11-Apr-03]

[000:00].01- Airwave - My Lady Blue
[009:22].02- Cass & Slide - Glad I Ate Her
[014:59].03- Nugen - Braaj [Lemon8 remix]
[022:48].04- Holden & Thompson - Nothing [93 Returning mix]
[029:35].05- Jayn Hanna - Lost Without You [Bill Hamel & Simon Noble's Mezz dub]
[036:25].06- Origene - Sanctuary [Traveller remix]
[042:42].07- The Roc Project - Never [Filterheadz Love Tina dub]
[048:52].08- Precision vs. Albert - Say Yes [Katana remix]
[055:13].09- Scott Bond vs. Solar Stone - The 3rd Earth
[055:55].10- Afterburn - Summer Sun
[060:39].11- Age Of Love - Age Of Love [Mr. Sam remix]
[068:18].12- Cor Fijneman ft. Jan Johnston - Venus [DJ Ti�sto remix]
[074:38].13- Paul Van Dyk - Nothing But You [PvD Club mix]
[081:39].14- Solar Stone - Solarcoaster [Midway mix]
[088:55].15- GTR - Mistral
[094:31].16- Pacific Dance - Rewinders
[101:14].17- Cape Town - Pitstop
[109:30].18- D-Factor - The Wrong Shake [Jamie Anderson remix]
[114:25].19- Marco V - C:\Del *.mp3
[121:35].20- Andy Ling - Fixation [Airwave remix]
[128:50].21- Solar Stone - Seven Cities [Armin Van Buuren remix]
[136:15].22- Sasha - Xpander
[141:32].23- Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes [Sweeping Strings remix]
[149:58].24- Perpetuous Dreamer - Sound Of Goodbye [Robbie Rivera's Fierce Vocal mix]
[155:11].25- Cave - Street Carnival
[159:00].26- The Green Martian - Wizardry
[166:50].27- Solar Factor - No Return
[172:29].28- Kid Vicious - Proceed

I mean ok, there was ATRC in there, but this was when that tune was respected. Same with NBY.

But look at this -> My lady blue, glad I ate her, braaj, 3rd earth, summer sun, solarcoaster, mistral, *.mp3, fixation, xpander, no return.

Fucking hell things have changed since then.

Posted by Massive84 on Jul-26-2005 22:34:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Because I think he plays to please the masses. He plays middle of the road, offensively unoffensive, boring (imo) music. Okay, so this style of music might appeal to you. The point is, the fact that it's a little bit on the trancey side and a little bit on the proggy side means it's going to take to quite a number of people who are into their prog, and also to a lot of people who listen to their trance. Hence, music for the masses. Now what particulary sickens me about this is in the past I have seen Armin play sets like this for example:

46. V-One - Dead Cities (Force Mass Motion Remix)
47. Silvio Ecomo - No Dip (Mac Zimms Remix)
48. DHS - House Of God (Azzido Da Bass Remix)
49. underworld - Born Slippy (Original Mix)
50. Marco V - Milla
51. D-Factor - The Wrong Shake (Jamie Anderson Remix)
52. Umek - Gatex (Armin Van Buuren Remix)
53. Taiko - Silence (The Joker Remix)

This to me is shit hot. There is thought put into that little segment of his set, and it's pleasing to hear. I refuse to believe that his shift in playlist has been due to anything other than trying to please the masses and become popular. That is a shit attitude to me.

Am going to have to agree with this but not in a rude way .

I believe that Armin really does only care about the name and popularity now and not the music.

Serenitiy is a big example, it's the dumbbest track of 2005. badly produced, wrong sounds, boring theme.

half year ago i used to listen to ASOT, it was oke and sometimes or awesome even, however it started to get boring and same old same old. so i stopped listening to it ever since.

It's all a matter of taste imo and if people wanne like it why not? just respect each other

Posted by Subtle on Jul-26-2005 23:05:

quote:
Originally posted by THE_Chris

[166:50].27- Solar Factor - No Return

this tune rocks so much, i die..

Posted by colombian raver on Jul-27-2005 00:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Tech0rz
Amazing how many people can state their opinion as fact, then get pissed when people call them on it (usually with their own opinion, stated as a fact).

That just summed up my whole feeling on this thread. I love how Mikey is constantly calling songs shit and DJs horrid as if it's a fact. Then when someone calls his mixing skills shit it just can't possibly be true.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-27-2005 00:30:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
that is bullshit. saying that trance needs a musical background and techno doesnt is the biggest bullshit Ive read in a while.
I bet alot of the melodic producers aired on ASOT never had a musical background. I know two myself (not gonna name them though).

Just because you dont like techno doesnt mean that its easy to produce. Techno is based on loads of rythms and loops which needs to suit perfectly for the dancefloor. And since techno is repetetive it takes lots of skills to make a track which doesnt get boring after a while.
Just look at Mauro Picottos techno tracks for example.
You can clearly hear that the effort he put behind his techno tunes is much bigger than his more commercial tracks. For his melodic tunes like Komodo and Proximus he just sampled some old catchy lyrics and inserted a cheesy melody to please all epic jerks and that was it.

Yes I agree that it doesnt take skills to become a DJ. There are Djs out there who cant even beatmatch (Tiestor, DJ Jean etc) but still are seen as Gods. This is totally unbelievable.
But then we have the really skilled djs which actually knows how to act like a true star behind the decks (Eddie Halliwell, J00F etc) who just doesnt play one track after the other one but actually build up their sets, reads the audience and creates a special mood depending on the crowd. This is easily seen in most J00f sets. He starts out playing deep progressive, going on to some melodic stuff and then ending with banging full on psytrance.

But many of the ASOT "uprising" djs I mentioned totally copies their idols (Tiestor, Armin, Schulz etc) and plays almost the same tunes. What kind of skills does that take?

Trance buisness is becoming a fuckin joke.

oh finally. For you who just discovered Armin I strongly advice you to check out Armins 004 Transparance. A better mixed cd and a better track selection is hard to come by. That in my opinion is Armin at his best. And it makes his compilations and mixes of today looks like goat poo.

A fucking men

Posted by Googooly on Jul-27-2005 00:34:

quote:
Originally posted by eRRaTiK
Ronski 1 - Mikey 0

btw, good post about AVB/ASOT mikey. i agree with it.

however like it (believe it) or not the big guys are in the business of making money (and a living). to those who have been around a while, you'll notice the change in style, playlists, etc. but give credit to where credit is due - the tiest0rs, oakenfolds, pvds and armins (even MOS and GKs) of the world have brought trance to the masses.

i for one am happy to be able to walk into a general music store in the local mall and find the likes of nu-nrg, magik, tranceport and other quality trance albums there.

yes the ol'skool peepz can bitch about wishing the music had stayed underground and all that, but what's done is done.

i guess we're harsher on the producers of today because it's really in their hands how the music of tomorrow is shaped, and uninspired repetitive (ASOT) productions and dj sets doesn't help. Nor does remixing classics. there are some quality productions out there, but man some stuff sucks the wang like tiest0r sucked mickeymouse.

dj sammy for the win!

anyways, air for life = (imo)

nice post

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-27-2005 00:38:

quote:
eRRaTiK

its not the producers who shape the future. its the labels who choose what music to release. there has been and always will be shit music, but it always used to be harder to get stuff released because the labels had higher standards.

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