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Ok, so I've listened to the album on myspace and I have to say I'm dissapointed even being a huge pvd fan. I deffinately won't be buying it ,it would just be a waste of money compared to my taste of music. I'ts deffinately good for what it really is "A poppy dance album". Deffinately nothing entrancing, if I was into the style I would deffinately buy it but I'm not. I mean it's obvious that paul wanted to do something different, and I totally respect that. An artist should never deprive him self from douing something different, scared of what people will think, even if its pop he wants to do.. I support that and its a shame that other people don't. Its a good album for what it is, just not what I expected from paul, not my cup of tea. I'd rather get a legal coppy of Out There and Back.

There has been an evolution of Paui van Dyk as we have seen over the years, this latest installment "In Between" is his most lyrical / singer-artist-collaborative album....


When PVD started his 'musical career" circa 1992-1993 he was doing remixing and spinning in clubs in the Berlin, Germany area, Tresor and the clubs where he did the famous HR XXL clubnights, Kid Paul vs. Paul van Dyk.

He released 45rpm in 1994, it was mainly a dance / techno / trance album of the time, lots of tracks with loops, but the famous anthems "A Magical Moment" and "For an Angel" were thus born. No special "lyrical" type stuff in the album...no collaborations...100% pure PVD

When Seven Ways came around, we saw Paul delve into a true artist album that was very trance-like. THe album was driving, epic, memorable. In my opinion, the best PVD work ever. Album was 2-CD album with CD #2 being remixes and special cuts of tracks that weren't on CD 1. Again, 100% PVD, pure dance, driving, purely epic, mint....100% Paul, no "lyrical" type stuff, no collaborations...this was Paul's album, him being #1 engineer studio supremo, the lead guy, the brain beind the bang.

"Out There and Back" came out in 2000 - this was again a 100% Paul-engineered album, it was classic of Paul's style of epic, banging, trance...this album was Pauls first artist album where he tried a few lyric-singer-artist collaborations on tracks, we saw this with "Tell me Why (the riddle)", "We're Alive," and "Together we will conquer" - the collaborations with female vocalists were done expertly and added a smooth finesse of grace and contributed to the dreamy trance atmosphere of the whole album. Again, this album had PVD written all over it, it was a hit and will always be considered a quality work and a classic in the realm of electronic dance productions.

"Reflections" didn't come out, until 2003, and the album suddenly sparked a schism in opinion from listeners, fans, and reviewers. The album was starkedly different from anything Paul had put out before, and was much more of a shot at a slightly more poppy sound, with collaborations with Vega 4, Hemstock and Jennings, Jan Johnston (on 4 tracks), Troopa da Don, and Second Sun. The album as a whole didn't ring true with that "PVD" feel we had all come to know, as a matter of fact, it didn't even sound like his style in some respects. "Time of Our Lives" turned into more of an alt-rock anthem, with "Crush" and "Nothing But You" resulting in the only real tunes out of the album that turned out to be hits on the dancefloor. The album was not overall that bad, but it was definitely a shocking contrast to the sound that had defined PVD previously as an artist and world-renowned DJ and producer.

After "Reflections" - we didn't really know what to expect...out of...the "next" album. It was highly probable that PVD was going to go more in the direction with pop-type artist collaborations, and add an electronic/DJ-remix spin on a vocal track (we now know this is true). It was good to see Paul not completely go pop-esque with the album, as we see with several solid trance-mainfloor collaborations with Giuseppe Ottaviani of former Nu-NRG. The White Lies collaboration with Jessica Sutta is a solid energy-packed track, but it's a turnoff to many longtime PVD listeners due to the possible "cheese-factor": but I think that was to be expected, again, it's an "experimental" deal, some of this is, but I do think White Lies will payoff and be a mainfloor hit in other venues too. The Ashley Tomberlin tracks all turned out superb and I think she is excellent, and a great asset to the album. Paul tried to mix it up with both male and female vocalists, but I am not quite a fan of "Talk in Grey" or "Another Sunday...without the overdone male vocal - "dubstyle, no vocal" - these tracks might be halfway decent. "In Between", "In Circles", and "Detournement" are nice instrumental type tracks and work well as filler, but I do not think they are highlights in the album. Everyone seems to like the intro "Haunted" and I will agree, it is a pretty nice, well produced score, and sets the tone for the album. MY favorites in the album are "New York City"m "Let Go" "Stormy Skies" - overall I think these will do well as singles and playout well mainfloor too. I think both still have the "electronic/dance" element to be seen as good EDM tracks, but are good collaborations with driving vocals.


That's my review for now...basically wanted to show the evolution of the PVD "artist album" to show how we have gone from a 100% PVD-worked, studio engineered mainfloor epic, driving, danca album....to what we have here today, some what of a mixed-up, multi-dimensional, collaborative hybrid of a beast that is more of an easy listening deal than a trance journey.

Peace,
-Ward

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Originally posted by Clovis It gets old

I absolutely agree. That is what I identified as being the source of my frustration. Many times there is zero thought that goes into the reviews (whether good or bad). Especially the reviews in which someone doesn't like something. It's all gravy when everyone who posts says they like the track (without really saying why...) yet, the moment a very popular DJ releases something, what do we hear from naysayers? "It's crap". To be honest, I really haven't read many thoughtful reviews in the forum lately...

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Originally posted by Clovis I disagree. No artists will ever get blind support from me, I don't care who the fuck they are.

Agreed. I don't think that what I wrote meant that I feel that we should blindly support artists regardless of what sort of tracks they produce. If you like it go buy it, and show your support that way. If not, don't. I am not asking anyone to do that.

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Originally posted by Clovis The people who are probably most enraged by an artist releasing a sub-par album are usually people who have been following them for a long time, I'd bet longer than you have, and I think they have every right to voice their disgust.

I've been following Paul's music for some ump-teen years since the Dubmission parties thrown by Jurgen Kramer (or whatever his name was) when the sets first started coming out, and then even more when he started appearing on the MoS radar. I didn't really love the album, yet still I respect the guy enough to give a decent review, instead of a thoughtless two word quip. That is what is irritating. That is what people get defensive over. It's not insecurity, it's normal people reacting to things that are offensive and rude.

If I was to listen to your sets (which I have) and tell you I hate them (which I don't), I think you would be a bit defensive. You might think, that maybe I just don't understand what you were trying to do, or that maybe I am just so used to hearing Tiesto sets, so I can't appreciate the talent and skill that went into it. I think that if all I said in my reply was 'It's sh**' you might ask me why I think so, or look for some way to improve. That maybe I heard something in your mix that you didn't catch etc... Or lastly you might come to the conclusion that I am obviously stupid and completely insensitive to what other people think.

Which is exactly the conclusion which dawns on me, when people write, just that (i.e. "it's sh**").

yeesh. Very bland, very boring, and unimaginative.

I guess it might've already been discussed but Get Back w/ Alex MORPH sounds far too similar to A Life Less Ordinary (Alex MOPRH/Rank1)
I don't think I've listened to an entire Vondyc Radio set, but I stumbled upon his tracklist history, looks like he's become the commercial douche he's been so fond of criticizing in the past.

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Originally posted by WardC this was Paul's album, him being #1 engineer studio supremo, the lead guy, the brain beind the bang.

what makes you think he engineers his tracks?

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Originally posted by WardC That's my review for now...basically wanted to show the evolution of the PVD "artist album" to show how we have gone from a 100% PVD-worked, studio engineered mainfloor epic, driving, danca album....to what we have here today, some what of a mixed-up, multi-dimensional, collaborative hybrid of a beast that is more of an easy listening deal than a trance journey. Peace, -Ward

he didn't engineer his first albums all himself.

For Example:

Paul van Dyk - 45 RPM
Label: MFS
Catalog#: MFS 7066-2
Format: CD, Album

Country: Germany
Released: 05 Dec 1994
Genre: Electronic
Style: Trance
Credits: Artwork By - Marc Schilkowski
Co-producer - Johnny Klimek (tracks: 3, 6, 8 to 10) , Voov (tracks: 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 11, 12)
Engineer - Johnny Klimek (tracks: 3, 6, 8 to 10) , Voov (tracks: 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 11, 12)
Producer - Paul van Dyk
Vocals - Natascha Seidel* (tracks: 1, 2, 7, 10, 12)
Written By - Paul van Dyk

http://www.discogs.com/release/221703

In Between - first look...

Edit: decided to take the pictures off (I had posted some shots from the Cuba Photoshoot/booklet that comes with the In Between album, about 9 or 10 photos of Paul in there...I felt like I might be breaking some copyright by posting them on here, so they are off, for now.

itunes features "in between" unmixed, almost club mixes!

i should have pre-ordered to get the "next generation" exclusive track

fuck

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Originally posted by wotyzoid I'd rather get a legal coppy of Out There and Back.

i hope u get a letter from RIAA before that happens

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I did hear EoL and I rate that much higer than this overhyped snoozefest. And no, I didn't particularily like EoL either.

^tiesto fan-boy

iTunes version vs. Standard version

Yeah, I just downloaded the version from iTunes, when I saw the tracks were significantly longer...(ex. "Far Away is 3:32 on the regular CD mixed version, the iTunes version is the full unmixed version, and it's 8:17, same thing goes for La Dolce Vita and pretty much every other track) The iTunes version is still 17 tracks, but it's a total of nearly 2 hours of audio, where the CD version is like 1 hr 17min...so if you are a die-hard fan and want the full-length versions, say, to use for a DJ mix or just to listen to the actual real cut of the track, you should check out the iTunes version. It's also alot cheaper at $9.99 and it's really good quality 256k AAC. In my opinion, the quality of the mixing on the CD (the storebought mix CD) is nothing spectacular, it's certainly not an "Out there and Back" quality of mix, the CD's selections are random in style and don't really make a great mix on the clubbing scale, but, they ARE mixed to sort of make it flow. My advice, if you haven't gotten "In Between" yet and are thinking about it, get the iTunes version. It's cheaper and alot more "complete" (ie. full versions of tracks) - the version floating around on torrent is the standard mixed version, not the full version feat. on iTunes store. The iTunes album download w/booklet is right at 223MB, much larger than the leaked standard versions on torrent, which are also lower quality. Also, remember, artists need to make money to keep producing, and PvD has done alot for the EDM scene through the years - the $10 for the iTunes CD is basically a no brainer, it's a good deal.

Re: iTunes version vs. Standard version

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Originally posted by WardC Yeah, I just downloaded the version from iTunes, when I saw the tracks were significantly longer...(ex. "Far Away is 3:32 on the regular CD mixed version, the iTunes version is the full unmixed version, and it's 8:17, same thing goes for La Dolce Vita and pretty much every other track) The iTunes version is still 17 tracks, but it's a total of nearly 2 hours of audio, where the CD version is like 1 hr 17min...so if you are a die-hard fan and want the full-length versions, say, to use for a DJ mix or just to listen to the actual real cut of the track, you should check out the iTunes version. It's also alot cheaper at $9.99 and it's really good quality 256k AAC. In my opinion, the quality of the mixing on the CD (the storebought mix CD) is nothing spectacular, it's certainly not an "Out there and Back" quality of mix, the CD's selections are random in style and don't really make a great mix on the clubbing scale, but, they ARE mixed to sort of make it flow. My advice, if you haven't gotten "In Between" yet and are thinking about it, get the iTunes version. It's cheaper and alot more "complete" (ie. full versions of tracks) - the version floating around on torrent is the standard mixed version, not the full version feat. on iTunes store. The iTunes album download w/booklet is right at 223MB, much larger than the leaked standard versions on torrent, which are also lower quality. Also, remember, artists need to make money to keep producing, and PvD has done alot for the EDM scene through the years - the $10 for the iTunes CD is basically a no brainer, it's a good deal.

Is it already out in the US?

Here in Germany(!) it's about to be released on August 24th...

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Originally posted by movingincircles ^tiesto fan-boy

LOL I reeeeally hope you aren't serious.

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Originally posted by UWM LOL I reeeeally hope you aren't serious.

um
anyone who thinks EoL is better something else == fanboy


elements of life was pure shit, and that's me pretending to like tiesto, the only "ok" track was "sweet things" and that track was originally produced by BT back in 2003 (originally for BT's emotional technology)

in pvd - in between

haunted, new york city, detournement, in circles, in between, let go, and the big bang(2nd CD) saves the album from being completely shit

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Originally posted by movingincircles um anyone who thinks EoL is better something else == fanboy

Your sweeping statement is quite obviously utter bullshit, as anyone who has known Mr Mystery on this forum will already know.

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Originally posted by movingincircles ^tiesto fan-boy

Run along now, gimp.

erm, so i need to know personalities of certain TA people

yah like im going to spend that much time in this shit hole

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Originally posted by movingincircles erm, so i need to know personalities of certain TA people

You just need to stop assuming, especially when you're not good at it.

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Originally posted by paulandrews You just need to stop assuming, especially when you're not good at it.

im just saying what system-j said

see this is why TA forums is rotting, most threads go off topic



i will no longer comment about this, feel free to flame more, im not going to reply, hopefully that'll get the topic back on track

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Originally posted by movingincircles im just saying what system-j said see this is why TA forums is rotting, most threads go off topic i will no longer comment about this, feel free to flame more, im not going to reply, hopefully that'll get the topic back on track

You're the one who took it off topic by calling him a fanboy when he made comment that he preffered EoL to this disc.

I've been listening (to both versions) for another day, and, I have to say: Yes, the iTunes version is the one to get, just for the full versions of Far Away and La Dolce Vita (and every other track for that matter that is the 'full' version that you wouldn't get with the store mixed CD version)...the version of "La Dolce Vita" on iTunes is 8:39, and it's excellent...the 1hr17min mix CD that they are selling in stores doesn't give the track justice.

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Originally posted by movingincircles erm, so i need to know personalities of certain TA people

It helps to know something about a person before you call them something. That way you don't look a fucking idiot.

http://www.amazon.de/Between-Ltd-De...87223660&sr=8-1

DVD version of in between

a small sample of video is posted there too which has interviews + sample footage from LFA

i hope DVD includes the full performances @ LFA!

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Originally posted by UWM You're the one who took it off topic by calling him a fanboy when he made comment that he preffered EoL to this disc.

Bang, zoom, straight to the moon of Omicron Persei 8.

Itunes version for the win. Hope the 320 beatport version comes out soon!

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