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That is a truly horrendous decision. Fucking Ferrari bumming wankers.

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Originally posted by stren Hamilton stripped of win by the Ferrari International Aid

WHAT?!?!??!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?! I am going to read more into this, but it was a fantastic finish.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike That is a truly horrendous decision. Fucking Ferrari bumming wankers.

bs, the past years the FIA has done nothing but creating new rules to end the ferrari dominance.

Hamilton let Raikkonen pass again after cutting the chicane but he instantly jumped into his slipstream making the pass possible.

Dura lex sed lex.

holy crap!
watched it today, thought it was a fantastic end, and i agreed with the commentators that even though stewards were investigating i didnt think anything would happen from it but now just watched the news and saw they penalised hamilton, its pretty crazy. like he said in the press conference, he could either crash into kimi or go off on the escape road, i dont see why he can be penalised for that. the only thing i could think was that he took too long to give back the position? which made it easier for him to pass again? but then when he passed kimi again they were both weaving, kimi could have gone further on the inside but went outside. stupid end after a great race. i reckon webber should have pitted for inters as well after what heidfeld did! dammit!

I think praise has to be given to nick heidfeld for the final dash during the wet weather conditions. Hes really good in it.

He made the smart decision to come in for wet weather tyres and now got 2nd. His team was like.."Wait, are you sure??"

And hes like "look I know what I'm doing aight?"

Brilliant.

ya nick is doing amazing this year.... Has he signed for next year? I hope we get rid of kov. and bring in nick.

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Originally posted by nchs09 ya nick is doing amazing this year.... Has he signed for next year? I hope we get rid of kov. and bring in nick.

BMW just gave him the hurry up, and told him to perform better. I guess he did? If McLaren or Ferrari change drivers they will be going after Kubica, most of the paddock has made that clear.


As for the decision, it was too harsh. I agree that Hamilton still gained an unfair advantage over Kimi, because he cut the chicane. Had he gone through the corner properly, he would have been much further back, and would not have been able to pass on the next turn. But with that said, Kimi crashed anyways, and Hamilton won, and he should not have been given a 25sec penalty.

It was awesome to see both of them driving without the standings in mind. They both wanted the win, and that is the type of racing that Spa encourages. Second best race track of all time, with the Ring being number one. They need to hold all 18 races at Spa.

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Originally posted by Philby i agreed with the commentators that even though stewards were investigating i didnt think anything would happen from it but now just watched the news and saw they penalised hamilton, its pretty crazy. like he said in the press conference, he could either crash into kimi or go off on the escape road, i dont see why he can be penalised for that.

He would have gone past Kimi later on anyway. Hamilton was much quicker at that point than the Ferrari. Questionable decision by the stewards indeed.

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Originally posted by nchs09 ya nick is doing amazing this year....

Umm no, Kubica is generally kicking his ass. He's been having too many problems in qualifying and has had some really shit races where he couldn't get into the points.

He's still a good driver though, has had some occasional good weekends, like this one. BMW shouldn't get rid of him IMO.

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Originally posted by noikeee Umm no, Kubica is generally kicking his ass. He's been having too many problems in qualifying and has had some really shit races where he couldn't get into the points. He's still a good driver though, has had some occasional good weekends, like this one. BMW shouldn't get rid of him IMO.

I think kubica is limping just as bad as nick recently..maybe its the car, but I find it hard to believe that BMW could have cocked it all away after a brilliant start to the season. If anything, a car should get better as the season progresses.

Anyways cant wait for the night race..a few of my mates working/living in singapore managed to get tix but I dont think its worth it for me to fly down(me staying in bangkok) and buy em at a ridiculous price.

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Originally posted by Orko But with that said, Kimi crashed anyways, and Hamilton won, and he should have been given a 25sec penalty.

Well he has been hasnt he, thats why he only ended up third now.

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Originally posted by TOR He would have gone past Kimi later on anyway. Hamilton was much quicker at that point than the Ferrari. Questionable decision by the stewards indeed.

True, but the day they start taking would haves into account, objective decisions become impossible.

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Originally posted by trewqy I think kubica is limping just as bad as nick recently..maybe its the car, but I find it hard to believe that BMW could have cocked it all away after a brilliant start to the season. If anything, a car should get better as the season progresses.

Don't see why it's hard to believe. All cars get better as the season goes, the problem is that some cars get more better than others - BMW simply fell back a bit with the pace of development of other teams.

Besides their performance simply seems to swing a lot from race to race, depending on the track's characteristics. The car has been known to be difficult to setup since the very first winter tests.

I haven't seen any slump from Kubica... let's see the races since his Montreal win:

- France he finished 5th, Nick outside of the points(!)

- Silverstone he made a mistake - the only one of the entire season - and crashed out. Nick did probably his best race of the year and finished 2nd.

- Germany he'd finish ahead of Nick if not for the safety car which benefited Nick big time.

- Hungary he qualified 4th, while Nick was 16th(!!), the car was clearly shit in this twisty circuit, and he could only save a point, finishing 8th. Nick finished 10th.

- Valencia he went into the podium, Nick again finished outside of the points.

- now in Spa they seemed to be close, Nick won qualifying for a change, then in the race Kubica would've finished ahead if not for a messed up pitstop and Nick's good gamble with the tyres in the end.

This hasn't been as consistent as his start of the year, but it's not too bad neither...

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Originally posted by The_G0dfather True, but the day they start taking would haves into account, objective decisions become impossible.

yeah miss type, meant to say 'should not have been'.

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Originally posted by noikeee Umm no, Kubica is generally kicking his ass. He's been having too many problems in qualifying and has had some really shit races where he couldn't get into the points. He's still a good driver though, has had some occasional good weekends, like this one. BMW shouldn't get rid of him IMO.

Maybe i confused him with kubica.

there is no point for BMW to push the development of this car; they are secured in 3rd place. They now switched focus for 2009.

I know that Kubica is bitter about this, because he's fighting for a podium finish in the general standing, now that Kimi is not on form.
After the race, he said he hopes that the team will now help him, like they've been trying to help Heidfeld to sort out his problems.

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Originally posted by nchs09 Maybe i confused him with kubica.

Clearly

The more I think of the penalty, the more I think it makes sense. Janrno Trulli summed it up pretty well:

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"In my opinion Hamilton got an advantage by cutting the chicane," Trulli told Gazzetta dello Sport. "Had he stayed on the road, he wouldn't have had the speed to overtake the Ferrari. "In the same way at Monza someone could cut the first chicane, catch a rival's draft, and overtake him under braking at Roggia. "When you attack on the outside, you do it at your own risk, because who's on the inside has the right to do the corner. If there isn't enough room, then you lift. "Had there been a wall there, instead of the surfaced escape route, would Lewis have attacked anyway? Had there been gravel, he wouldn't have had the chance to attack when rejoining the track because of dirty tyres."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70435

Amazing pole and victory for Vettel! He really drove his heart out, and deserved the race. Fantastic pace, right strategy/set up, managed his tires well, and didn't make one mistake.

Great to see some old Minardi boys finally earning a victory.

Great fucking job by Vettel.

Glad to see the podium mixed up a bit, and he really deserved to win. Given the conditions, one could argue that he did one hell of a job.

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Originally posted by Orko Amazing pole and victory for Vettel! He really drove his heart out, and deserved the race. Fantastic pace, right strategy/set up, managed his tires well, and didn't make one mistake. Great to see some old Minardi boys finally earning a victory.

Agreed!!

I was so happy to see him command the race from the front even in the shit weather.

He drove well in difficult and changing conditions and I was nervous for a bit when it started to dry out that they kept him out too long and he might get screwed.

Hamilton was super fast coming through traffic, though I feel he used his "elbows" a bit much to get past a few people (though he was clearly quicker in almost all cases). Had he switched to intermediates on his first pitstop, he would have sacrificed a few seconds a lap at first, but then gained that back easily when the track really started to dry out. He could have even scammed the win if everything happened to fall into place.

fantastic stuff from vettel!! he's been doing pretty good the last few races so i wasn't entirely suprised he had pole, but did great job keeping it and getting the win!

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Originally posted by pmoisse Hamilton was super fast coming through traffic, though I feel he used his "elbows" a bit much to get past a few people (though he was clearly quicker in almost all cases).

well i think webber was catching him pretty quickly, was lapping faster than him, and hamilton "elbowed" him as you say out of the corner i think, in the same way that raikonnen pushed him out that he complained about. still got a point, but disappointing he slipped down from 3rd now vettel is ahead of him in the championship hehehe

great race once again. Monza, Spa etc always bring the good out of them. Delighted for the lad for his win, and with Kubica, Hamilton & many more youngsters coming through the future is bright. Perhaps need to lose Button, Coulthard, Barrichelo, Nakajima & possibly Kovaleinen who doesn't seem interested usually and it'd be a great roster.

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Originally posted by pmoisse Had he switched to intermediates on his first pitstop, he would have sacrificed a few seconds a lap at first, but then gained that back easily when the track really started to dry out. He could have even scammed the win if everything happened to fall into place.

First of all: excellent job by Vettel. Great to see a youngster doing such a great job with a F1 car in the rain.

As for the tyre choice, I think it simply wasnt time yet to switch to intermediates. The track wasnt ready for it yet and more rain was predicted.

Gotta admit though, i'm glad it stayed dry which forced Hamilton to do an extra pit stop. He was going way too fast through that traffic. Kimmi isnt at all at easy on damp/wet surfaces with his Ferrari and Massa also lacked some pace up front.

And whats up nowadays with that stupid rule about cutting chicanes after Francorchamps, the stewards ordered Massa to let Rosberg go by again because Massa supposedly cut the chicane, which he didnt according to me (and Martin Brundle at ITV). It was a normal racing line.


Edit: what a great comabination of national anthems that ceremony was

Ya that was good for torro rosso team but i honestly did not enjoy the race..... Cant wait for the night race though!

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Originally posted by nchs09 Ya that was good for torro rosso team but i honestly did not enjoy the race..... Cant wait for the night race though!

If you could not enjoy this race, there is no way you are going to enjoy the night race. Expect more of the same stuff in Singapore. The track engineers have said, that there are so many lights, they might as well be driving in the day.


I still cannot get over Monza. What a fantastic race. I am still excited about Vettel's performance. They are calling him 'Baby Schumi'. lol. A little early, but a very cool, calm and collected victory. And it was nice to hear the German National Anthem again after a couple of years of drought.

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