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Originally posted by gehzumteufel While this may be true, the fact still remains that if Hitler had at the very minimum doubled the number of troops that originally marched into Russia, they would have been on their knees very quickly.

Hitler could have won with the troops he had if he had used them properly. His arrogance caused him to send his troops into the Russia with no winter provisions because he assumed Russia would be crushed before then. He could have got away with this mistake had he listened to his generals and capitalized on the advantage his surprise attack gave him by advancing directly to Moscow. Hitler would not listen of course and wasted two valuable months trying to take Leningrad with the troops he should have sent to Moscow. By the time he gave up on overrunning Leningrad it was already October and heavy rains came to disrupt his supply lines and make it difficult to advance. Just about the time the Germans could finally advance again the first blizzards of winter hit to freeze the unprepared German troops. All while the Russians were using their rail network to resupply Moscow with fresh troops prepared for winter fighting.

Had Hitler moved on Moscow in August 1941 instead of going to Leningrad he would have crushed the majority of the Soviet army there and overrun the city before the bad weather set in. This would have changed the face of the war completely, there is no way the D-day invasion could have taken place when it did if there was no war on the Eastern front to occupy some of Hitler's best troops. But like I said, fortunately for the world that fool was both insane and a horrible military commander.

didn't the man have syphilis or something just as awful eating away at his brain? of course he made bad decisions...thank god for that

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Originally posted by XaNaX Hitler could have won with the troops he had if he had used them properly. His arrogance caused him to send his troops into the Russia with no winter provisions because he assumed Russia would be crushed before then. He could have got away with this mistake had he listened to his generals and capitalized on the advantage his surprise attack gave him by advancing directly to Moscow. Hitler would not listen of course and wasted two valuable months trying to take Leningrad with the troops he should have sent to Moscow. By the time he gave up on overrunning Leningrad it was already October and heavy rains came to disrupt his supply lines and make it difficult to advance. Just about the time the Germans could finally advance again the first blizzards of winter hit to freeze the unprepared German troops. All while the Russians were using their rail network to resupply Moscow with fresh troops prepared for winter fighting. Had Hitler moved on Moscow in August 1941 instead of going to Leningrad he would have crushed the majority of the Soviet army there and overrun the city before the bad weather set in. This would have changed the face of the war completely, there is no way the D-day invasion could have taken place when it did if there was no war on the Eastern front to occupy some of Hitler's best troops. But like I said, fortunately for the world that fool was both insane and a horrible military commander.

Well that, and the fact that we had Vasily Grigoryevich Zaytsev!

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Originally posted by chimera66 didn't the man have syphilis or something just as awful eating away at his brain? of course he made bad decisions...thank god for that

he was also most likely a methamphetamine addict as well which didn't help with his decision making ability

Syphilis? Methamphetamines?... Is this a dictator or a prostitute we're talking about?

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Originally posted by XaNaX Hitler could have won with the troops he had if he had used them properly. His arrogance caused him to send his troops into the Russia with no winter provisions because he assumed Russia would be crushed before then. He could have got away with this mistake had he listened to his generals and capitalized on the advantage his surprise attack gave him by advancing directly to Moscow. Hitler would not listen of course and wasted two valuable months trying to take Leningrad with the troops he should have sent to Moscow. By the time he gave up on overrunning Leningrad it was already October and heavy rains came to disrupt his supply lines and make it difficult to advance. Just about the time the Germans could finally advance again the first blizzards of winter hit to freeze the unprepared German troops. All while the Russians were using their rail network to resupply Moscow with fresh troops prepared for winter fighting. Had Hitler moved on Moscow in August 1941 instead of going to Leningrad he would have crushed the majority of the Soviet army there and overrun the city before the bad weather set in. This would have changed the face of the war completely, there is no way the D-day invasion could have taken place when it did if there was no war on the Eastern front to occupy some of Hitler's best troops. But like I said, fortunately for the world that fool was both insane and a horrible military commander.

I wasn't disputing that. I am very well aware of those points you made. I fully agree with that view, but we both know also, that if he had more troops on that whole front he would have had the Soviets on their knees.

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Originally posted by chimera66 didn't the man have syphilis or something just as awful eating away at his brain? of course he made bad decisions...thank god for that

i think that would have been lenin not stalin
stalin was just a hot headed badass (georgian by the way)

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Originally posted by denys envy Well that, and the fact that we had Vasily Grigoryevich Zaytsev!

Good but no Simo Hayha

The conclusion I take from reading this thread is that Russia, Georgia, Ossetia and the USA are all fucking ****s.

Except for Hitler. He was cool.

Krazy Kool!

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Originally posted by Aquadyne As a former Soviet citizen, this was some A+ grade ass kicking. Good to see them back in good form.

good form? LOL their soldiers live in shithole and they admit it too. i dont know if you remember clip where one russian soldier destroyed some civilians home with a tank cuz he was drunk, on the way to the base with some more vodka, fucking LOL. they are nowhere near good form. they are still the same vodka loving lazy pieces of shit like you

and if you call russian jets bombing georgian people's houses ass kicking then god help your poor soul. cuz if it comes down to military action, we destroyed about 12 jets and 40 russian tanks, we put up a fight. oh and guess why you havent seen russian tanks firing once, cuz they dont even work, i bet tanks need caring just like cars do like changing oil or some shit, but you know russians, one thing they care about is their vodka. tanks are there for the show and to panic people. russians only did air strikes which did the most damage.

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Originally posted by Agent0 I am a hate-mongering jackass that is pissed at the world because they don't hate Russia.

Yeah we are aware. Now kindly stop shitting on a nationality because of what the government chose to do.

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Originally posted by timmyboy stalin was just a hot headed badass (georgian by the way)

witch is another reason for russians to leave us the fuck alone. only man who really matters in the whole russian history that people actually know of is stalin. they should be thanking us and wiping our asses

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Originally posted by Agent0 witch is another reason for russians to leave us the fuck alone. only man who really matters in the whole russian history that people actually know of is stalin. they should be thanking us and wiping our asses

seems like that is the only person you know...

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Yeah we are aware. Now kindly stop shitting on a nationality because of what the government chose to do.

god i only hope that its only the government, people in russia are actually proud of what their government is doing. they are out in the streets celebrating and waving their flags, telling nato and US to fuck off so they can finish us off

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Originally posted by Agent0 god i only hope that its only the government, people in russia are actually proud of what their government is doing. they are out in the streets celebrating and waving their flags, telling nato and US to fuck off so they can finish us off

You really should realize that there are sympathizers and then there is the rest of the populace. The media is controlled by the government. You really think you can trust that shit? Come on. Shut the fuck up already. Quit your hate-mongering idiocy and move on. If you want to hate someone, hate the people who are in charge, or the people who really hate you for being Georgian, not Russians in general.

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Originally posted by Agent0 good form? LOL their soldiers live in shithole and they admit it too. i dont know if you remember clip where one russian soldier destroyed some civilians home with a tank cuz he was drunk, on the way to the base with some more vodka, fucking LOL. they are nowhere near good form. they are still the same vodka loving lazy pieces of shit like you and if you call russian jets bombing georgian people's houses ass kicking then god help your poor soul. cuz if it comes down to military action, we destroyed about 12 jets and 40 russian tanks, we put up a fight. oh and guess why you havent seen russian tanks firing once, cuz they dont even work, i bet tanks need caring just like cars do like changing oil or some shit, but you know russians, one thing they care about is their vodka. tanks are there for the show and to panic people. russians only did air strikes which did the most damage.

wow, you have it all figured out. great job.

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Originally posted by Agent0 witch is another reason for russians to leave us the fuck alone. only man who really matters in the whole russian history that people actually know of is stalin. they should be thanking us and wiping our asses

He would have been better known and thanked if he had killed more russians.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel or the people who really hate you for being Georgian, not Russians in general.

so many of georgians have been kicked out of russia recently you probably know this. and whoever had their own business, russians robed and broke them all like hitler did to jews businesses in germany. that might be the governments fault but i dont see russian people against it. not one of them came out and said "hey, this is wrong what our government is doing to these people"

im sorry to say this but this is how it is man. thats the reality. we were part of soviet union and now we dont want any of it at all and russians are pissed off because we want to move towards western civilization, they take it as an insult

im done with this, this can go on forever, no point in arguing anymore

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUZKqpA5K20 some of you who haven't seen it

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Originally posted by Agent0 so many of georgians have been kicked out of russia recently you probably know this. and whoever had their own business, russians robed and broke them all like hitler did to jews businesses in germany. that might be the governments fault but i dont see russian people against it. not one of them came out and said "hey, this is wrong what our government is doing to these people" im sorry to say this but this is how it is man. thats the reality. we were part of soviet union and now we dont want any of it at all and russians are pissed off because we want to move towards western civilization, they take it as an insult im done with this, this can go on forever, no point in arguing anymore

Dude, that is like trying to stop an 800lb gorilla when you weigh 1lb. It is impossible to win. You just don't bother. It isn't a fight you can win. Same thing with the people in Russia. They don't challenge the government because they don't want to die. They value their life, so they steer clear of political unrest.

yes. the georgian government is innocent...

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Originally posted by Agent0 so many of georgians have been kicked out of russia recently you probably know this. and whoever had their own business, russians robed and broke them all like hitler did to jews businesses in germany.

Well Georgian is a nationality and Jew is a race... not the same thing..

wtf

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Originally posted by Agent0 I am a racist bigot

You realize that your entire argument throughout this whole thread has been based on your made up facts of Russians being vodka loving murderers who jump at the chance to kill a Georgian. I just love when people paint such a vivid picture of a nation of 140 Million.

Meanwhile, out of all the Russians that posted in this thread not one said anything bad/racist about you or other bigots like you. I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish, but I'm confident you think it's working.

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