When will the obsession with "analog" stop?

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Posted by Richard Butler on Dec-09-2015 16:19:

Can anyone recommend a MIC that will pair up with my Roland JD XA? The retailer told me it came with one, I predicted it would not, and sure enough...

Only want to spend about �100.

I suppose a gooseneck would be convenient but it does not have to be. The synth provide phantom power.

The small JD Xi version comes with it's own MIC, but Roland said that MIC did not work well with the bigger synth.

A mate recommends Audio Technica but their �100 ish MIC says it's aimed at stage users, so I'm not too sure of it.

BTW I've spent a good few hours making some lush plucks in case anyone wants the soundbank for them, but I've not yet used them in any productions. They truly are lovely though, just make me want to sit and play all night long without opening the DAW.

Posted by tehlord on Dec-09-2015 16:57:

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Originally posted by Richard Butler
Can anyone recommend a MIC that will pair up with my Roland JD XA? The retailer told me it came with one, I predicted it would not, and sure enough...

Only want to spend about �100.

I suppose a gooseneck would be convenient but it does not have to be. The synth provide phantom power.

The small JD Xi version comes with it's own MIC, but Roland said that MIC did not work well with the bigger synth.

A mate recommends Audio Technica but their �100 ish MIC says it's aimed at stage users, so I'm not too sure of it.

BTW I've spent a good few hours making some lush plucks in case anyone wants the soundbank for them, but I've not yet used them in any productions. They truly are lovely though, just make me want to sit and play all night long without opening the DAW.

Just get anything if it's just for vocoding use. A Behringer XM8500 for example. I have one and it's great. About �20 too.

Posted by Richard Butler on Dec-15-2015 12:34:

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Originally posted by tehlord
Just get anything if it's just for vocoding use. A Behringer XM8500 for example. I have one and it's great. About �20 too.

Took your 'just anything' advice and ordered a �26 Roland gooseneck direct from them which they tell me is long enough.

Posted by tehlord on Dec-15-2015 14:59:

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Originally posted by Richard Butler
which they tell me is long enough.

Sn1gger

Posted by Richard Butler on Dec-15-2015 16:27:

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Originally posted by tehlord
Sn1gger

Am I going to have my nose up against the lfo knob?

This was my concern but who am I to doubt the 'technical' guy at Roland. He even threw in free delivery, which was sweet of the dear.

Posted by DJ RANN on Dec-15-2015 17:04:

I know you adjust bought the Roland but just in case (and if anyone else needs) a really great mic for under a ton is the Audio Technical At2020. I've produced countless hours of radio interviews with them age they're really great little mics and can be used for both vox and strung instruments, even as overheads or rooms.

Posted by Richard Butler on Dec-25-2015 22:34:

The Roland gooseneck is ultra quiet for vocoder work, useless. They sent me a discontinued headset mic which is much better.

Here's my analog noodling on it today, I do think this thing has a sound.

Excuse the hand noodling, and fumble fingering

Posted by Dj Dizzy on Jan-09-2016 03:39:

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Originally posted by Richard Butler
The Roland gooseneck is ultra quiet for vocoder work, useless. They sent me a discontinued headset mic which is much better.

Here's my analog noodling on it today, I do think this thing has a sound.

Excuse the hand noodling, and fumble fingering

wow very nice. i haven't had the chance to use a jd-xa or jd-xi and demos on youtube were interesting but that's about it cuz none of them demo'ed anything i'd listen to. your soundcloud demo though... is amazing. great work, man you really made the jd-xa shine. the sound and effects you demonstrated are phenomenal.

Posted by Richard Butler on Jan-09-2016 22:41:

Cheers I'm surprised you like it as I just slapped it down all fumbly fingered

QUESTION

Ive redone a track with a nice analogue bass but I cant get Cypher (dcam synth in effect mode as an insert), to remain on. I have the keys to HOLD but of course when I export the track the Cypher forgets it's been keyed. Im at a loss.

Posted by Richard Butler on Jan-10-2016 21:15:

Im making this track with only the Roland JD XA. I put it up as I've had good feedback about the demos for this.

It's a bit compressed, I'll ease off on this shortly so as the synths can breath

The drums I programmed in Xfer Nerve.

Posted by Dj Dizzy on Jan-17-2016 04:24:

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Originally posted by Richard Butler
Im making this track with only the Roland JD XA. I put it up as I've had good feedback about the demos for this.

It's a bit compressed, I'll ease off on this shortly so as the synths can breath

The drums I programmed in Xfer Nerve.

is it not online anymore? the link looks like it's broken.

Posted by cryophonik on Apr-06-2017 18:47:

So, it's 2017 and the analog obsession is finally gone, right?!

Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-06-2017 20:27:

Lol, it's probably worse than ever. The best bit is you've now got kids who truly don't know the difference (on a multitude of levels) trying to lecture about the wonders of analogue, something that was reserved for cantankerous farts on GS.

A teacer back in Audio Engineering school said to me (and bear in mind this was 15 years ago) , that everything goes in cycles. Then, he was seeing things from the 70's and 80's being recycled, so does that now mean we're recycling the recycled stuff

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Apr-07-2017 08:10:

I still have a box of analog that I sprinkle on all my tracks.

Posted by tehlord on Apr-07-2017 09:15:

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Originally posted by cryophonik
So, it's 2017 and the analog obsession is finally gone, right?!

I think the whole thing is really weird. It's just one flavour.

I was reading a post over at GS yesterday where they were talking about the new Waldorf 8 voice hybrid thingy, and the guy couldn't understand why it was so expensive if it wasn't analogue. There's a blind, almost fanatical worship of what is actually pretty simple, old fashioned technology.

Why WOULDN'T modern DSP with touchscreens and a complex OS be more expensive?

But anyway, it's not hard to enjoy both now is it!

Posted by varun on Apr-12-2017 03:21:

There's various levels of analog along the signal chain.

Analog synths, analog summing / mixing or even analog processing..

In my opinion, there are definitely some sonic benefits from analog summing - exporting individual ITB tracks and/or groups out to tube/value circuitry that imparts 'imperfections' to them i.e. warmth

This can be interpreted as rounder transients, smoother hi-end and a marginally better stereo representation.

However, analog-modeled plugins can sound extremely close to real analog esp. the UAD stuff.

So, whether the (subjective) sonic benefits of real analog over analog-modeled plugins, justify their price-tag is another issue altogether.

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