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| Originally posted by Vert Funny, I've heard the exact opposite...  Just remember everthing is relative to everybody else's opinions and expriences... es |
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| Originally posted by musicaddict u got a point there. alright lets end this right here. Instead of vinyl or cd: why not go for both?  |
Re: vinyl vs cd- its long but I hope your read it.
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| Originally posted by KB2 Here is a situation that I would like to share with all you that pour your heart and soul into the entire vinyl vs cd casam. I hope after reading this, those individuals will understand that it is not where you are from, but merely where you are at and that you must use all of your given aptitudes to succeed in this world, let alone as a DJ- whether it be to eat or as a hobby. Hope you enjoy it and once again, thanks for taking the time! In the past 6 years, I have collected what is to me my pride and joy- My DJ Equipment. I have been djing for the last 10 years on and off starting off with one turntable and a radio shack mixer. When I headed for the Military, I sold my equipment to my friend with the option of buying them back- one technics, mixer, and vinyl not knowing what opportunities that lied upon graduation, hence all the traveling. (When you travel to other countries and see how other djs can rock the house using cds or vinyl and the crowd not even caring what the hell is being used. I have been fortunate to have been to places such as Japan, Tallinn, France. All with at least one year living in those locations. During my 1st year 1998, I was posted in Japan, where hip-hop is a phenomenon. All the djs were playing records out in town at the clubs and in our club on Base; there was an American – Ex Marine, playing vinyl. There was another dj that was using cds only. Both rocked the house Fri and Sat. These were the spot to be before hitting the clubs. Everyone came on Base those nights. You could only imagine the babes- that is if you are interested in Japanese chicks. Anyway, that motivated me cause I saw the versatility in djing at that point. All I thought about was rocking the crowd. But unfortunately, I would have had to be employed by the base but I was not into seizing up my spare time with my limited experience as a club dj. I headed back to the States in 1999 and I decided that vinyl was going to be a headache because I would not be able to access any stores. Not only that, being in the military, you come in contact with a lot of different individuals that like different music and that playing only hip hop or house available on vinyl was not worth it, let alone that a lot of the Military is from the Dirty South and me being from NY, well, let us just leave it at that. So, I brought my first cdj 500 and a vestex mixer. I used a walk man to attach to the mixer and called that my set. Then after, being the visionary that I am- which is one key to success; I brought the sp808 Roland sampler. I began doing remixes here and there and having local djs play them at clubs. After that success, prior to shipping off to Japan for a second tour in Iwakuni, I decided that I was not going to miss out on anything. I brought my second cdj500 and the pioneer efx 500 and 1 technics from my friend in October of 2000. Upon my arrival, the first thing I did is went to the Club on base and see there set up. It was a Gemini 19” rack with Gemini dual cd players. Well, I had been collecting cds so I figured that it could not be that bad. I talked to the Manager and said that he would give me a shot but I had to weight for my equipment to come in. I needed the practice cause I did not want to make a fool out of myself without any experience. That weekend, I was syked about heading to the club on Base. I got there and that mama was so packed. The dj was putting it on and every body was loving it. All with only cds. That is what the club only had. So, after a month, my shipment came in and asked again for a date. The Manager started bull-ishing and saying that he did not want competition between his main dj and me. So, I was like forget this, let me do my own thing. I have my equipment, let me start doing gigs out in town. I started going to the clubs out in town and one in particular that everyone went to. I had a friend that new the manager and he asked if I could do the New Years party. That was a go ahead. So, now, I had 3 weeks to prepare my sounds. I had some crooklyn party breaks and had started a record pool along with promo only since that October back in the states. So, I had the music. It was now all about perfecting my mixing and club dj skills. No more bedroom djing for Colione. Also, one will notice that if you are a dj and you travel, you are appreciated more so overseas then in the States. You can actually approach a dj in the booth and ask him questions. More than likely, they will even invite you to do a set. That was the case in all the countries I visited and that is the honest truth. For some reason, being a dj in other countries is a way to bond and share experiences. Especially if you are from the States cause they think you have something fresh. Anyway, to get back, I got ready for the gig and New Years came. I lugged all my equipment and used their amp. I had so much stuff at this point that I had to provide my own table. I had a Numark mixer, 2 cdj 500's, a pioneer effector, sp808, one technic 1200, a cd case and a crate of records. I was set and the show was a blast. A Dj's dream come true. It was something new to them, something fresh. I brought my New York style but had a little something for everyone. Anyway, after that party I started getting hungry and had drive. I was asking the local djs to throw some shows with me. They all were like yea, yea, we will do something. After all that non-active bull ish, I was set to do something on my own. Luckily, I hooked up with this other cat on base that had only vinyl and played only Reggae. I offered him to join me and get something started. It was about doing our thing but more so to show those suckers off. Co-incidentally, both being from Queens, New York, we could not rid that battle mentality. Anyhow, I finally went to this "buy me drinkie bar"- a place where you pay for a drink and to have a lady sit with you just to talk. There were other clubs near by but they were bars that played hip-hop and small. This place was perfect in that it had lots of room to dance and good seating areas. So, I started conducting business with the lady that ran the place. I offered to rent a night. She directed me to the owner. I sat and talked to him. At first he refused. He was more interested in the money. I said all we needed was the entrance fees. He came to his senses and figured that if I could pull a crowd, since there was nowhere else to go near by, then he could make some loot off the bar. The price came to $1,200. So, the date was set. I recruited a manager and others to split the cost 4 ways and help promote the gig and collect at the door plus provide security. I made the flyers and worked like a thief in the night to post them up in the Barracks and out in town. The day came but unfortunately, there was an event on the same night on Base. We lugged all of our equipment, I brought mine and my partner brought his. Together, our set up was his 2 black 1210’s, his djm 500, my effector and my cdj500s. The boards were lit and up. My partner and me sat in the back room sipping on rum and cokes waiting desperately and nervous. We were not sure if anyone would show up. Plus, that is is $1,200.00 bucks invested. I looked at my watch and the time on deck said midnight. All but 7 people were in the place to be. But, I got word from my runner that I employed to check on the base and pass the word about our party. He said that the show was ending on base and everyone was making there way out. Before you know it, there was a long line at the door and my peoples were collecting like bank teller machines. The gig went on. There were so many people. People that never went out before came to this new event. All the Japanese rich chicks came to see the new spot. This was the best I tell you. Anyway, we did a couple more and the owner started seeing that we were making more at the door than he was and started raising the price. Other things went on but not to be disclosed. Anyway, my time was up and made a name for myself across the city. My next post was providing Diplomatic Security in March of 2002. I up graded my equipment and got a sweet deal on the djm 600 black version for only $800.00. It was 220 voltages but I got a converter switch for on $10.00 to use for 110 voltages. I brought another technic and a computer for remixing and the Boss Sp 505. To make it short, I pretty much did the same thing except for rent out a club. I basically hooked up with all the djs, got some airtime on the radio-, which was located in one of the clubs, made two promo cds at 500 copies a piece that got bootlegged and sold without me getting any thing from it. Now, as of May 2003 to present and where the real lesson lies, I moved here, bordering Bangkok, Thailand. I once again, being a dj as a hobby, got in good with the djs. I up graded my equipment. I sold my cdj 500’s and brought the cdj800’s and brought the new sure white label needles. I switched my music dj preference to house. I started being a guest dj at a club. The only problem is that this country has turntables, but since it is a third world country, vinyl is not easily accessible accept for Thailand but it is too far. Hence, no one uses turntables. They use strictly cd players, which by the way are top of the line cause they get it from Singapore. Anyway, every month, I would have to lug my turntables just to do a gig. I started going to other clubs and eventually became good with all the djs. The problem is that I started ordering my records online and now I have only new tracks on vinyl. I would go to the clubs and get on the mic and immediately, I would be asked to do a set. But unfortunately, I was limited cause I had no sounds but the same trash on cd. What was a brother to do? What would you do? As I stated before, being the visionary that I am, I started recording my vinyl to cd. I now record 12-15 tracks per cd and duplicate that cd in order to mix with in. Is this a waste, well, if I am getting the job done and it is not killing me, then no. Not in my opinion. The only problem now lies in the sound quality. Vinyl has a lot of popping and crackling and they are use to cd sound in which I am yet to get rid of unless I am mastering a promo cd. Now, to all the strictly vinyl heads that swear that one is not a dj unless you spin vinyl, what would you do? Mind you, I have job and a salary. I don’t do these gigs for payment cause it is not allowed under my diplomatic status. I do it for the love and so when I get out of the M.C. I can say that I have something under my belt and carry on the mission in owning my own café. I know that having both cds and vinyl is expensive. No one says that you have to have the top of the line equipment. These days, companies are getting carried away with all the accessories. But if you are proficient at both, the basic systems, then what can stop you. If you know a little about everything, then that makes you that much better of a dj. That makes you prepared for all occasions. How do you think most djs get their gigs? By having a one sided tracked mind? I also understand that depending where you are, especially in the states, you can’t just get in good with the Djs, but if you do, then you better be willing to be able to put out. Think about this, if you limit your self to one piece of gear, then what purpose do you serve as a dj. There is no order in the rules of djing that states that you must strictly be a vinyl head or cd head. It is about rocking the crowd no matter how you do it. About using your arsenal.. Do me one Ibiza Spain, one of the best party spots in the world, not to prove a point and mock vinylist, but only to to back up the digital scene for being bashed as non djs, some djs in Ibiza use strickly cds and have a residency at the one of the Worlds Greatest party gauges!!! I am sorry it took so long but I hope you enjoyed it. Thanks for your patience! |
Thanks for taking the time and I hope you the best.
Actually, this past weekend, I was in Bangkok promoting my cd at club Mystique where dj domination was performing. I gave my cds to a couple of djs and I was so overwhelmed by how they welcomed me and was offered me to come down and do a set by Tony Hughs from the UK. He has a residency at Mystique. I did a couple of sets that weekend cause I had my cds with me with all the latest tunes. I am due to go back in July but I will be bringing my vinyl.
By the way, dj domination uses final scratch for some of is sets. He has has some what like 4,0000 tracks on his lap top.
i like em both
hey i know this is kind of random.. but while we are on the topic of vinyl and cds ... ive seen these things called vinyl cdrs in the store.. anyone know anything about those? i was curious as to what they really are..
( i didnt do any searching so if some1 has posted about this sry in advance )
they are your basic cdrs except with a vinyl look to enhance its appearance- nothing special.
People keep saying cds are cheaper than records. Id like to know what the average price on a record is, and the average price on a cd (single of course) Because ive been trying to decide on whether to buy cd decks, or analog, but ive been looking around and it looks like cd singles are as much as records! (particularly canadian prices) Can anybody give me average prices on the two??
here is a perfect example for you...
Tiesto Vinyl package of Just Be - 59$
http://www.vinylwarning.com.au/prod...roducts_id=7013
Tiesto - Just be CD... SAME THING - 13.49
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=music&n=507846
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| Originally posted by Zombie0729 here is a perfect example for you... Tiesto Vinyl package of Just Be - 59$ http://www.vinylwarning.com.au/prod...roducts_id=7013 Tiesto - Just be CD... SAME THING - 13.49 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=music&n=507846 |
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| Originally posted by Zombie0729 here is a perfect example for you... Tiesto Vinyl package of Just Be - 59$ http://www.vinylwarning.com.au/prod...roducts_id=7013 Tiesto - Just be CD... SAME THING - 13.49 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=music&n=507846 |
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| Originally posted by jwear2004 Something to take note of is that I'm pretty sure that some of the songs on the CD are abridged somewhat, so they aren't all quite as DJ friendly as on the record. Also, the vinyl pack is a limited edition with colored vinyls. I'm sure that you can get the Just Be vinyl package normally for closer to $20 or $25. |
I have just recently gotten into the whole trance/electronic music thing (about a year ago), and before that I always did my radio stuff with CDJs (Denon DN-2600F and DND-9000). Once I got turned on to vinyl, I got 2 Stanton STR8-100's and I'll never go back.
I wish that I had always been using vinyl. The feel of it, the actual real control of the record, not something digital is amazing. You can actually manipulate it for real, not through some digital thing that can fail on you (frequent "Disc Errors" with my Denons).
My only problem is that I do not have any vinyl stores within hours, except one very small place which deals mostly in old 60's classic LPs, and some modern rap records. When I go to check out their selection, they have maybe 2-3-4 trance/break tracks (which is what I spin), and they're way overpriced ($11.99 for a DJ Fixx record there, when it costs about $6.99 online). Having said that, I still will only use vinyl to mix!
-Mark
P.S. I did a CDJ set yesterday for fun on my DND-9000, it was so wierd after mixing on my Techs for so long. I just need to sell my hip hop vinyls so I can get trance and breaks.
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| Originally posted by mixx941 I have just recently gotten into the whole trance/electronic music thing (about a year ago), and before that I always did my radio stuff with CDJs (Denon DN-2600F and DND-9000). Once I got turned on to vinyl, I got 2 Stanton STR8-100's and I'll never go back. ..... P.S. I did a CDJ set yesterday for fun on my DND-9000, it was so wierd after mixing on my Techs for so long. I just need to sell my hip hop vinyls so I can get trance and breaks. |
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| Originally posted by Polak so which decks do you have, a techs or stantons? |
I hope this will help you:
I made the mistake when I first decided to dj ( summer 2003) that I would buy cd decks instead of turntables. I later realized that even though cds were cheaper my music/style was suffering. Becuase I was a rookie I didnt know that 98% of trance and house music are released on vinyl first and sometimes only. It was only after I bought my technics that I soon began to deveope and uncover my "style". I'll be honest with you, there are very very few dj friendly trance singles on cd. Unless your willing to get those trance master cds 
or get a mixed cd ( horrible to use to mix with) than you options are limited. Also everyday either at a record store or online new trance music is relased on vinyl. I have not yet seen a place where cd singles are relased and sold in a simialr manner. That said I still have cd deck and still use them. But vinyl is a medium that djs will forever use and will always be apart of dj'ing. It is just a PLUS to have cd decks around for those hard to find singles/super new promos/ or those times when you need to play cheese/rap/etc. for those shitty gigs you get and you know that you sure as hell not going to buy the vinyl for that crap.
There is no need for you to get those super cd decks. You will never you that crap anyways. I would get two soild turntables ( technics)and a rack mount dual cd deck ( denon).
So to close..
USe both. Learn to use both. Dont spend tons of $$$ on super cd decks, insted spend it on records and cds. Buy qulaity gear ( technics and denon/pioneer). And stop worrying and just go out there and buy something and start spinning. Like all of us you will learn over time what you like and why. Thats how I did it and others. Learn from your mistakes but always keep learning.
Depends on style also. If your a psy DJ then CDS all the way. 99 percent of psytrance is CD.
i go both ways, i prefer Vinyl over a cd any day, however there are alot of tracks i have on CD that i havent been able to get on vinyl yet
im a pretty big tranceaddict and i always have my cd player on me since im kindof pathetic that way but hey, theres nothing wrong with obsessing over the music
anyways, back to the point - i prefer vinyl, but this is 2004, you're gonna have a couple tracks on cd... plus if you save up enough $, you can add that snazzy lookin SL-DZ1200 to your set
theres still nothing like the feel of your fav track on vinyl
Exodus, I don't know how your DJ skills are, but there's one thing you really need to learn, and that is to see through the hype. The Technics is a hype, and not a very good one. So was the Numark TTX: Also crap. If you want a REAL "snazzy" cd player, Numark CDX all the way (and that's no hype, pity).
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| Originally posted by Nou I got the standard... (Well in standard I mean Pioneer) the CDJ 800, but I only have a few promo tracks on CD... soo I dont know, might have been and over purchase. I just started hating FS so much tho...  |
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| Originally posted by Nell FACTS: 1) CD's weigh less this makes them easier to transport and you can carry more with you. CD's are smaller same as above, transportation, storage etc. CD's have a larger capacity ive got maxi's like rapture with 3 edits and 9 mixes on. how many vinyl would you need to accomodate that? CD's are cheaper maxi cd's are £3.50 like the rapture one. to buy all them mixes on vinyl would cost 4-5 times as much as that. cd singles are £3 brand new. CD's dont wear with play If you look after your cd's they will last forever. they come in plastic cases, so sleeves dont wear either. CD's can be written while all you vinyl lovers paid £100+ for the ayu m e.p. i copied the vinyl to perfect wav, burned the cd and hey, i sold the vinyl for a nice £120, and im still using the CD today CD's can have looping you can have seamless loping for longer outro's etc to make mixes sounds smoother and fluent. CD's dont jump, skip if youve not got bottom of the range equipment, they dont jump. CD's arnt rice crispies they dont go snap crackle and pop CD's are easier to manipulate any digital source is CD's are undistinguishable from vinyl you cant tell the difference when there being played. I bet none of you noticed for the last year tiesto has been playing Voyage, Cafe Del Mar etc etc on CD. YOU CANT TELL!! CD's are ideal for Trance trance music dosent require scratching, even if it did, modern digital turn tables can reproduce the sound 100% accurately without actually scratching the platter. CD's & digital turntable are the begginging of the end for vinyl lovers CD's can contain ur own tracks unless you own your own vinyl cutter, only cd's can be easily made. classic quote from a recent interview.... "What advantages does the CD medium have over traditional vinyl?" "CD is going to become more dominant on the turntablism side. If you come with two traditional turntables and play, that's great; I respect the skill it takes to be a true vinyl turntablist. But now that you can do 99 percent of that on a CD — plus the seamless looping, flash points, sampling and have all these effects built-in — you'll be coming to the fight with a knife, and I'll be bringing a gun." |
I use both vinyl and CDs, but I like mixing with vinyl better than with CDs (matter of taste, and yes, mixing with vinyl looks 'cooler')
I tend to buy the good trance releases on vinyl, but when it's a style I don't play as much, like progressive or groove, I buy them on mp3 or wma (beatport, audiojelly, city16, ...) and burn them to CD.
haha, yeah that about sums it up. A good 14 points in favour of CDs.
I think the points for vinyl go something like this...
1 You look cooler hence get more action from the laydees...
2 It feels better... but then so does masturbation, so why not just go up there and whack off!?
3 Tracks are more expensive... oh hang on, thats not a bonus...
It really does come down to preference as everyone says. I will happily mix on either and both have their good points. I've started buying more vinyl recently, mainly so I can rip it to digital and play it on my cd decks. This is only an interrim solutions though. Give it another year or two and digital releases will be just as widespread as vinyl, which is the only main drawback to digital at the moment.
I'm just sick of vinyl fundamentalists with thousands of dollars invested in records spreading the opinion that if you dont spin on technics 1200s, that your some kind of wannabe looser. Me think they do protest too much? Get over it, its not what you mix on, its how you mix!
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