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While I obviously can't say whether or not the government had a hand in actually orchestrating 9/11, I can certainly say that I completely, 100% understand why people would be skeptical of the government's innocense.

I mean, this is the same government that orchestrated similar messes in the past, the whole "false flag operation" deal is well documented thanks to the freedom of information act.

If the government lies and cheats and steals and kills, then why the fuck would anyone give it a damn bit of credit? Question it; rip it apart. That's what this technology is for. The network is a powerful force for change, because it empowers the people like never before. It's like the jump from medieval serfdom to industrial society.

We don't need guns, we just need ideas and demands for a certain standard of freedom and life.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN youre probably right, but i extend respect to those that deserve it or at least possess a keen intellect. the nature of "debate" from most of the 911 truthers drives me insane. if they had the commitment to actually argue properly my attitude would be different. alas....

So basically you've placed a bar of sorts onto your belief system where you only "respect" those who you subjectively deem to be of keen intellect. Because you judge "keen intellect" by your own experiences and intellectual ceiling, I doubt that "respect" is being given as it is due except to those below the ceiling with which you happen to agree with.

For the record, I like to believe that I give everyone respect. That way I don't limit myself ever by own ceiling and can experience constant growth; however, I do like to recognize when people have partialities of psychological pathologies and take that into account. Depending on the circle, it occurs often enough to warrant its own disclaimer.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby So basically you've placed a bar of sorts onto your belief system where you only "respect" those who you subjectively deem to be of keen intellect. Because you judge "keen intellect" by your own experiences and intellectual ceiling, I doubt that "respect" is being given as it is due except to those below the ceiling with which you happen to agree with.

i love it how you wander into threads you have NFI about and start putting words in my mouth

no, i have respect for those in here that do more than simply paste shitty youtube videos and absolutely refuse to answer the questions raised by me and others, questions that should already be answered for them to have their hypothesis in the first place. its fucking tiring debating some of these fools over the last few years, when they simply refuse to remain on a single point of contention. they constantly move the topic of the debate while ignoring the glaring holes in their stupid assumptions. there are plenty of PDD regulars that now avoid this topic for that very reason.

i respect those that can put together an argument that smacks of something other than laziness and an inexperience in assessing evidence. it is hard to respect those who claim to be searching for the truth when they are unwilling or unable to maintain some semblance of argument that makes any sense.

do you actually have anything of substance to add or are you gonna just sit in here with your empty rhetoric?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i love it how you wander into threads you have NFI about and start putting words in my mouth ... blah blah people disagree with me and i hate it ... do you actually have anything of substance to add or are you gonna just sit in here with your empty rhetoric?

Thanks for the respect, brotha!

But yea, is that ceiling spackled or smooth? Or is it glass? Half empty or half full, how's shit over on your island?

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only those that lack academic qualifications ever doubt their veracity. a little bit of intellectual jealousy i reckon. culurot is pretty likely to be the pumper of gas, i agree.

I make more money in a month then you make a few years idiot. I import food into the Caribbean for resorts, restaurants, bars and I own a retail shop.

Maybe I should hire both you and colonel as bag boys so you could learn some proper lessons in life.

Really please get the chip off both of your shoulders and grow up.

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Originally posted by culorut I make more money in a month then you make a few years idiot.

i really doubt that


you are starting to sound alot like that dj skez...... you dont work for cintas do you?

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Originally posted by culorut I make more money in a month then you make a few years idiot. I import food into the Caribbean for resorts, restaurants, bars and I own a retail shop.

I fail to see how your (claimed) superior gross income equates to being more qualified to accurately assess the cause of a building's structural failure then an engineer. I earn more money then an auto mechanic; however, I cannot rebuild a transmission. I'm going to put this very bluntly for you: you do not know what you're talking about, CC does. If we ever have a question regarding the logistics of shipping beef to Barbados we'll defer to you; however, when it comes to physics I think we're probably best to go with the engineer's learned opinion.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I fail to see how your (claimed) superior gross income equates to being more qualified to accurately assess the cause of a building's structural failure then an engineer. I earn more money then an auto mechanic; however, I cannot rebuild a transmission. I'm going to put this very bluntly for you: you do not know what you're talking about, CC does. If we ever have a question regarding the logistics of shipping beef to Barbados we'll defer to you; however, when it comes to physics I think we're probably best to go with the engineer's learned opinion.

i honestly think i just shat my pants a bit....

brb going to washroom to check....



....back, i didnt follow through but my god i lol'd hard......

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Originally posted by culorut I make more money in a month then you make a few years idiot. I import food into the Caribbean for resorts, restaurants, bars and I own a retail shop.

what a combo.. paranoid and delusional lol


and yeah, I seriously doubt you make more... doing that kind of work...

what kind of permits do you need to ship beef to barbados?



psst now is your chance to look intelligent.....[

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I fail to see how your (claimed) superior gross income equates to being more qualified to accurately assess the cause of a building's structural failure then an engineer. I earn more money then an auto mechanic; however, I cannot rebuild a transmission. I'm going to put this very bluntly for you: you do not know what you're talking about, CC does. If we ever have a question regarding the logistics of shipping beef to Barbados we'll defer to you; however, when it comes to physics I think we're probably best to go with the engineer's learned opinion.

Barbados..... crazy place, but fun

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I fail to see how your (claimed) superior gross income equates to being more qualified to accurately assess the cause of a building's structural failure then an engineer. I earn more money then an auto mechanic; however, I cannot rebuild a transmission. I'm going to put this very bluntly for you: you do not know what you're talking about, CC does. If we ever have a question regarding the logistics of shipping beef to Barbados we'll defer to you; however, when it comes to physics I think we're probably best to go with the engineer's learned opinion.

all class my friend!

Shit you guys are entertaining.

Importing food, not just one type I might add while supplying large companies such as resorts which have over 1000 rooms each does make a lot of money.

Unless of course you failed math, which in this case it sounds like you all did.

And I do not need a permit for beef, I do not import it.

Fidel Castro says U.S. fooled world over 9/11

HAVANA (Reuters) - Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro said the U.S. government misinformed Americans and the world about 9/11, echoing conspiracy theories about the terror attacks against the United States six years ago.

In an essay read by a Cuban television presenter on Tuesday night, Castro said the Pentagon was hit by a rocket, not a plane, because no traces were found of its passengers.

"Today one knows there was deliberate misinformation," wrote Castro, who has not appeared in public since July of 2006 when life-threatening surgery for a secret illness forced him to hand over power to his brother Raul Castro.

"Studying the impact of planes, similar to those that hit the Twin Towers, that had accidentally fallen on densely populated cities, one concludes that it was not a plane that crashed into the Pentagon," Castro said.

"Only a projectile could have caused the geometrically round hole that allegedly was made by the plane," he said.

"We were fooled like the rest of the planet's inhabitants," he wrote.

Castro said the truth behind the September 11 attacks with hijacked planes that killed nearly 3,000 people will probably never be known.

Castro's 4,256-word essay made no mention of Osama bin Laden and his militant Islamist al Qaeda network behind the attacks on New York's World Trade Center and Washington.

Castro, who was the target of CIA assassination plots after his 1959 revolution, said Cuba tipped off U.S. security services in 1984 about a plan to kill then President Ronald Reagan while he campaigned for re-election in North Carolina.

The information provided by Cuba led to the arrest of a group of would-be assassins and foiled the plot, he wrote.

http://today.reuters.com/news/

Fidel's dead..

how's that for a speculative post?


btw, you were owned a few posts back

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Originally posted by culorut Importing food, not just one type I might add while supplying large companies such as resorts which have over 1000 rooms each does make a lot of money.

That may be true, I don't doubt you; however, please advise how exactly your income makes you qualified to speak on the subject. It seems to me that you are attempting to use economic resources as a substitute for intellegence. While substituting money for skill or knowledge may work in some areas (such as plumbing - you don't need to know how to install a water heater if you have enough money to pay someone else to do it for you) it cannot help you in an intellectual discussion... unless you're going to hire someone of reasonable intellegence to debate the issue on your behalf, as you are clearly ill-equiped. I'm afraid, my friend, that in a battle of wits you are severly out-gunned.

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Originally posted by culorut Fidel Castro says U.S. fooled world over 9/11

Oh, shit... Fidel agrees with you... well, I guess I take it all back... afterall, could there be a source more trust-worthy then "the beard."

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard That may be true, I don't doubt you; however, please advise how exactly your income makes you qualified to speak on the subject. It seems to me that you are attempting to use economic resources as a substitute for intellegence. While substituting money for skill or knowledge may work in some areas (such as plumbing - you don't need to know how to install a water heater if you have enough money to pay someone else to do it for you) it cannot help you in an intellectual discussion... unless you're going to hire someone of reasonable intellegence to debate the issue on your behalf, as you are clearly ill-equiped. I'm afraid, my friend, that in a battle of wits you are severly out-gunned.

If I was out battled by wits then why not can either PKC or colonel not convince us otherwise? They have restated over and over again what we where already told about the attacks while taking stabs at other members here. Go back and read their posts you will find a very few common variables which stand out a little obvious.

I stated what I do because I was asked a few posts back, because I generate a certain amount of income it does not substitute for my intelligence. My intelligence was always there and I do not need you to tell me otherwise, especially on a message board, lol.

Ignorance seems to be high on list around here, if PKC and colonel believe architects are not bright people and they are trying to tell us that 9/11 was carried out by re-hashing the same old shit they will lose on the issue outright. Lately they have managed to do themselves in even worse if you look on the numbers in the poll thread, shows how convincing they really are given all of their "credentials".

The only ones out-gunned are the minority who still believe in that fairy tale story of Osama and the 19 hijackers.

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Originally posted by culorut Ignorance seems to be high on list around here, if PKC and colonel believe architects are not bright people and they are trying to tell us that 9/11 was carried out by re-hashing the same old shit they will lose on the issue outright. Lately they have managed to do themselves in even worse if you look on the numbers in the poll thread, shows how convincing they really are given all of their "credentials".

are you kidding me? your idea of sound scientific reasoning equates to a popularity contest.... in your model, newton probably convinced everyone that gravity existed by beating all the dorks in the world at dungeons and dragons....

please tell me you are intelligent enough to understand that an internet poll means nothing.....

the fact that you have quoted internet poll results at least twice now leads me to belive that you are a halfwit.

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Originally posted by culorut Ignorance seems to be high on list around here, if PKC and colonel believe architects are not bright people

i have said nothing of the sort. what i did say was that architects are qualified to draw pictures of buildings like the WTCs, but not qualified to provide accurate and scientifically sound explanations for the collapses. that isn't my opinion, its simple fact.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp please tell me you are intelligent enough to understand that an internet poll means nothing.....

i remain unconvinced, there is a distinct lack of evidence to support this argument.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp the fact that you have quoted internet poll results at least twice now leads me to belive that you are a halfwit.

much more compelling!!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i remain unconvinced, there is a distinct lack of evidence to support this argument.

i stand corrected.... ill make up an internet poll to create some data to prove my case......


Genius [ ]
Dunce [x]


recent quantitative analyisis of this statistically relevant data shows that IQ scores rivaling numerical equivalence to american minimum hourly wage was a factor in the posting of numerous internet poll results...................

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp i stand corrected.... ill make up an internet poll to create some data to prove my case...... Genius [ ] Dunce [x] recent quantitative analyisis of this statistically relevant data shows that IQ scores rivaling numerical equivalence to american minimum hourly wage was a factor in the posting of numerous internet poll results...................

The last time I checked, America still began with a majuscule

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Originally posted by Trancer-X The last time I checked, America still began with a majuscule

It's against my personal beliefs to capitalize propper nouns.

Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report

September 23, 2007

September 23, 2007 � Seven CIA veterans have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and have called for a new investigation. �I think at simplest terms, there�s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke,� said Raymond McGovern, 27-year veteran of the CIA, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates during the seventies. �There are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they�re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions,� he said. McGovern, who is also the founder of VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity), is one of many signers of a petition to reinvestigate 9/11.[1]

During his 27-year CIA career, McGovern personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials. Upon retirement in 1990, McGovern was awarded the CIA�s Intelligence Commendation Medallion and received a letter of appreciation from then President George H. W. Bush. However, McGovern returned the award[2] in 2006 in protest of the current George W. Bush Administration�s advocacy and use of torture.

In his blurb for 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out,� edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, McGovern wrote[3]: �It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited. If this is true, it is not merely the case, as the Downing Street memos show, that the stated reason for attacking Iraq was a lie. It is also the case that the whole �war on terror� was based on a prior deception. This book hence confronts the American people---indeed the people of the world as a whole---with an issue second to none in importance and urgency. I give this book, which in no way can be dismissed as the ravings of �paranoid conspiracy theorists,� my highest possible recommendation.�

Continued:http://www.opednews.com/articles/ge..._veterans_c.htm

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