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Originally posted by jonSun I dont understand why Israel is crying that Iran & Syria provided the weapons used against them. The weapons are not very high tech since the Lebanese resorted to sending an un-manned aircraft filled with explosives to attack ships. Also the IDF is crying, but they have the best weapons in the world provided to them by the USA while the USA is visiting Syria.

It's politricks man. Israel's trying to be an angel by justifying their doings because "Iran and Syria are supporting Hizbullah". While the whole world recognizes it otherwise looking at what has happened in the past couple of days.


And @ Malek : Just pray to Allah, God, Bhagwaan, Budha, Jesus or whoever it is that you believe in that Israel doesn't attack Syria - Like I said it would downright NASTY.

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Originally posted by jonSun I dont understand why Israel is crying that Iran & Syria provided the weapons used against them. The weapons are not very high tech since the Lebanese resorted to sending an un-manned aircraft filled with explosives to attack ships. Also the IDF is crying, but they have the best weapons in the world provided to them by the USA while the USA is visiting Syria.

jonSun,
I won't refer to the "crying", but does it matter if the weapon is an old ak47 or a newly developed rocket? It can still harm people...


hardcore trancer,
PLEASE, try to keep the "KILL THEM ALL FILTHY ZIONISTS" to a minimum. As far as I can see you live far, far away from all this mess, were you personally harmed by the whole conflict? (Asking seriously, wants to know if it's more than just a side you chose to take). I can accept different opinions and thoughts, but please, again, keep the "KILL THEM ALL" mantra to a minimum.

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Originally posted by digitul punk And @ Malek : Just pray to Allah, God, Bhagwaan, Budha, Jesus or whoever it is that you believe in that Israel doesn't attack Syria - Like I said it would downright NASTY.

I think many dont realize the serious consequences that will have around the world if Iran or syria get attacked.

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Originally posted by Epicurus As much as I despise the IDF, I doubt they're targeting civilians purposefully (although some may disagree with me and probably be able to put up a robust argument) as there is no strategic benefit to that whatsoever -- quite the contrary of course. In other words, the killing of civilians isn't part of their strategy. Bluntly, they're fucking up, and big time. And if they keep on fucking up, the reverse effect that you mentioned may indeed occur.

It's bound to be a common occurance when there is so much vehemence between these countries and many members of the IDF know that they can get away with killing civilians without so much as a slap on the wrist after a "kangaroo court" investigation by their military tribunal.

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Originally posted by KrazyDJs hardcore trancer, PLEASE, try to keep the "KILL THEM ALL FILTHY ZIONISTS" to a minimum. As far as I can see you live far, far away from all this mess, were you personally harmed by the whole conflict?

He says that he does not believe in a god, but he refers to the Jews as Zionists??

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Originally posted by digitul punk And @ Malek : Just pray to Allah, God, Bhagwaan, Budha, Jesus or whoever it is that you believe in that Israel doesn't attack Syria - Like I said it would downright NASTY.

Syria has nothing, its army is prehistoric. All they can do is sit and get bombarded.

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Originally posted by tathi It's bound to be a common occurance when there is so much vehemence between these countries and many members of the IDF know that they can get away with killing civilians without so much as a slap on the wrist after a "kangaroo court" investigation by their military tribunal.

I don't disagree at all with your analysis, but my "strategic" comment referred more so to the negative public opinion that is usually garnered when civilians are killed (especially at this alarming rate), which is usually to be avoided as much as possible. This applies at the international level of course, where foreign nations are quick to condemn loss of innocent life and usually attempt to pressure the guilty party into ceasing their actions, and in this case, at the Lebanese level. The latter is critically important in my opinion from an Israeli perspective, as Israel wants to harden anti-Hizballah rhetoric within Lebanese circles that are either already opposed to them (even more so than before), or ambivalent and undecided. Keeping civilian casualties at a minimum therefore serves to strengthen the anti-Hizballah hand, while a mounting civilian death toll clearly weakens it.

Very good article analysing the situation (long but worth the read):
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07...17hezbollah.php

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Originally posted by LazFX He says that he does not believe in a god, but he refers to the Jews as Zionists??

Who do you think would best be able to see religious fundamental crazies for what they are?

How exactly are you trying to discredit his statement by pointing out a completely unrelated matter - his personal beliefs?

Last I checked, I could believe that there is a fucking giant duck in the sky, and it wouldn't make a lick of difference regarding how fundamentalist crazies in the middle-east on both sides use their twisted and piss-poor religions to wage moral wars.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby How exactly are you trying to discredit his statement by pointing out a completely unrelated matter - his personal beliefs?

I am not trying to discredit him, its the fact that I can point out anything I fucking want to, if I was to say that he likes to wear pink thongs and a baby gap t-shirt, then I can.... by saying so, it does not try to discredit him, it just gives food for thought... on his public stated opinions...."KILL THEM ALL FILTHY ZIONISTS"

is that ok with you??? or do you think his "KILL THEM ALL FILTHY ZIONISTS" statement needs not to be discredited?

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Originally posted by Epicurus The latter is critically important in my opinion from an Israeli perspective, as Israel wants to harden anti-Hizballah rhetoric within Lebanese circles that are either already opposed to them (even more so than before), or ambivalent and undecided. Keeping civilian casualties at a minimum therefore serves to strengthen the anti-Hizballah hand, while a mounting civilian death toll clearly weakens it.

yeah, its an interesting and miserable line theyre walking there. as i understand it there is definitely a measurable anti-hezbollah sentiment within the country & government, but i dont see how bombing the country back 20 years is going to weaken the organisation.

more likely, it will increase hezbollah's hold on the nation, in the sense that a government will be weakened by these tactics more so than a guerilla outfit. its not hezbollah's bridges or airports theyre bombing after all. and you dont need to experience mounting civilian deaths to forsee this action can and will swell hezbollah's ranks.

at the end of the day, regardless of fault, its a terribly sad state of affairs and we're gonna get to watch the UN parade its lack of significance yet again.

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Originally posted by KrazyDJs jonSun, I won't refer to the "crying", but does it matter if the weapon is an old ak47 or a newly developed rocket? It can still harm people... hardcore trancer, PLEASE, try to keep the "KILL THEM ALL FILTHY ZIONISTS" to a minimum. As far as I can see you live far, far away from all this mess, were you personally harmed by the whole conflict? (Asking seriously, wants to know if it's more than just a side you chose to take). I can accept different opinions and thoughts, but please, again, keep the "KILL THEM ALL" mantra to a minimum.

ha ha ha, cant believe you still posting. Go hide in some bunker or something..

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Originally posted by LazFX I am not trying to discredit him, its the fact that I can point out anything I fucking want to, if I was to say that he likes to wear pink thongs and a baby gap t-shirt, then I can.... by saying so, it does not try to discredit him, it just gives food for thought... on his public stated opinions...."KILL THEM ALL FILTHY ZIONISTS" is that ok with you??? or do you think his "KILL THEM ALL FILTHY ZIONISTS" statement needs not to be discredited?

Ah I see, so because someone else does it, you can do it too, just because! Right, right.

Now you understand why and how these escalations occur, and the basis they are founded on: inability to compromise, and inability to understand and use data properly.

3 more hits in haifa a minute ago, one of them was quite close going by how loud it was.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Now you understand why and how these escalations occur, and the basis they are founded on: inability to compromise, and inability to understand and use data properly.

I hope you know those inabilities come from both sides.

Purple,
We've got shelters

boo, my driving lesson scheduled for today got cancelled, who would've thought?

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Originally posted by Psy-T boo, my driving lesson scheduled for today got cancelled, who would've thought?

My friend was in a middle of one yesterday when the first alarm started. Btw how are you? The last rockets hit near you?

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Originally posted by Psy-T 3 more hits in haifa a minute ago, one of them was quite close going by how loud it was.

make that 7

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Originally posted by KrazyDJs My friend was in a middle of one yesterday when the first alarm started. Btw how are you? The last rockets hit near you?

among those 3 of the strike before last one was pretty close, don't know how close though, the last 4 were farther away

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Originally posted by Psy-T among those 3 of the strike before last one was pretty close, don't know how close though, the last 4 were farther away

damn, be careful dude...

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Originally posted by Psy-T make that 7

Do you live near any important building or something?

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Originally posted by Lira Do you live near any important building or something?

nothing but an old outdated mall

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah, its an interesting and miserable line theyre walking there. as i understand it there is definitely a measurable anti-hezbollah sentiment within the country & government, but i dont see how bombing the country back 20 years is going to weaken the organisation. more likely, it will increase hezbollah's hold on the nation, in the sense that a government will be weakened by these tactics more so than a guerilla outfit. its not hezbollah's bridges or airports theyre bombing after all. and you dont need to experience mounting civilian deaths to forsee this action can and will swell hezbollah's ranks. at the end of the day, regardless of fault, its a terribly sad state of affairs and we're gonna get to watch the UN parade its lack of significance yet again.

Indeed, it is a very fine line that they're walking. The longer this goes, the more likely it becomes that the entire nation will rally behind Hizballah, because they almost have no choice at that point. That's precisely why I believe the Israeli campaign won't last past the end of this week, barring some completely unforseen circumstances. Now watch my prediction fall flat on its face.

As for Israel hurting the organization "materially", I think they already have and will continue to do so over the coming week. They're trying to target their strongholds in the South and in the suburbs of Beirut, and although they most definitely will not eliminate them, they will have inflicted some damage on their operational capabilities. In fact, according to the Israeli military, they believe they've already reduced their capabilities by 25% (click here).

As for the longer term effect of their actions, I think they're trying to simultaneously weaken Hizballah militarily by bombing them while providing the necessary pretext for the anti-Hizballah Lebanese factions to eventually disarm them, allowing the latter to point to the widespread destruction resulting from having allowed Hizballah to roam the South unchecked (so they'll claim). Whether this strategy will actually work or not is an entirely different matter, but no one ever claimed that IDF tactics were any good to begin with

a building collapsed :\

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Originally posted by Psy-T nothing but an old outdated mall

You don't happen to have one of these...



... do you?









(Sorry if this is offensive, but some humour would lighten this situation up a bit )

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