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| Originally posted by Yohan If you ask all the anti-Jewish Muslims, I'd be genuinely curious to know how many people would say they hate Israel because of how Palestinians get treated |
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| Originally posted by gummybear Are you suggesting that they don't hate Israel for this? |
Yankee shenanigans at work
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ernational/home
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| Excerpts The United States thwarted an effort by Libya on Saturday to persuade the United Nations Security Council to call for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza after Israel launched a ground invasion, diplomats said. ... Libya, the only Arab member of the council, had circulated a draft statement expressing �serious concern at the escalation of the situation in Gaza, in particular, after the launching of the Israeli ground offensive� and urged all parties �to observe an immediate ceasefire.� But diplomats said the United States refused to back the Libyan-drafted text and killed the initiative, since council statements must be passed unanimously. Later the United States refused to back a watered-down call for a truce, the diplomats said. The United States, one of five permanent Security Council members, insists that any statement or resolution state that the Palestinian militant group Hamas is a terrorist organization that seized power in Gaza from the legitimate Palestinian Authority. |
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| Originally posted by gummybear there are people who base their opinions according to what they see as the truth..and not some type of emotional attachment to one side or the other...  |
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| Originally posted by malek If people from an Indian reserve throws bombs at my neighborhood, you can bet your ass that I and my neighbors would have no mercy to them. I don't see whats different between Israel and the Territories. It's a war, not a walk in the park. |
It's sickening to see many people label the rockets which Hamas has launched into southern Israel as a justification of the IDF's invasion. Why wouldn't Hamas fire rockets into Israel after the following factors?
- 60 years of illegal occupation and oppression... forcefully taking away land from Palestinians (with the cost of countless deaths, destroyed homes, and millions of displaced Palestinian refugees) in order to allow Jewish immigrants to live comfortably. Yes the Jews suffered in the Holocaust, but Palestinians should not suffer as a consequence.
- Limited electricity which progressed into no electricity.
- Extremely limited food supplies.
- Limited medicine.
- Horrible medical care.. overcrowded hospitals have been running on emergency generators, which could fail to operate at any moment, meaning those on life support or in intensive care could die at any moment. Any new victims of the massacre can't even be admitted into medical care.
- A crippled economy, in which imports and exports are controlled and limited under Israeli authority.
- 1.5 million fucking people in 360km squared!!! Think of the standard of living Gazans live in on a day to day basis. A huge amount of Gazans have never left this small strip of land, and many will never leave it.
Do these seem like living conditions that wouldn't piss you off just a little bit? Imagine living like this and think of how angry it would make you. This is the trap Israelis have Palestinians in. They feed off of our anger and retaliation, and use our defense as an excuse for further expansion of the Zionist sate.
Are Israeli lives more valuable than Palestinian lives? 500+ Palestinian deaths can be justified with 4 Israeli deaths?? Come on people!! Can you even compare the Palestinians' suffering to that of the Israelis?
People open up your eyes.. Israel wants to expand their land for more settlements at the cost of Palestinian lives, as they have been doing for the past 60 years.
Take this as an example... why would you never see Palestinians protesting along with the Israelis.. yet there are many Jews who protest along with the Palestinians?
Learn people! Educate yourselves... your local or national media is not the absolute truth. Read books.. talk to those who have been affected by this.. CNN (or any similar media outlet) is not the answer.
and diginut.. ur a racist ignorant fool
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| Originally posted by jad Learn people! Educate yourselves... |
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| Originally posted by evil_cookie READ Noam Chomsky try supporting your nonsense with some actual cited evidence; and if you can't find any (and I suspect most of you cannot) then stfu and stop perpetuating this circular debate. |
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| Originally posted by Yohan why would I accept Chomsky as an expert in foreign policy, when he's a linguist? |
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| Originally posted by evil_cookie Honestly. Just glancing over the thread I'm amazed at the sheer stupidity--I really don't feel like getting involved in this discussion (and I wont) but I strongly, strongly suggest some of you do your fucking homework before you type up random shit and claim it as impartial statements. READ Noam Chomsky try supporting your nonsense with some actual cited evidence; and if you can't find any (and I suspect most of you cannot) then stfu and stop perpetuating this circular debate. |
israel just wants to destroy gaza to keep it from them selves.
its murder you all know it try not to deny it.
I guess TA isn't the only place in TO where a battle of opinion wages..
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COLIN MCCONNELL/TORONTO STAR
Toronto police officers on horses and bikes keep an eye on protesters Jan. 3, 2009 at Dundas Square as emotions heated up over Israel's attacks on Gaza.
Pro-Palestinian, pro-Israeli marchers face off on Yonge
January 04, 2009
Kenyon Wallace
STAFF REPORTER
Thousands of demonstrators waving signs and Palestinian flags marched in Toronto yesterday afternoon condemning Israel's attacks on Gaza as Israeli tanks and infantry began a massive ground offensive into the territory.
The air was tense as pro-Palestinian protesters of all ages gathered at Yonge and Dundas Square around 2 p.m. Across Yonge St. stood about 200 pro-Israel demonstrators.
Dozens of police on foot, horseback and bicycles monitored the two groups hurling insults at each other. Barriers set up down the middle of Yonge kept them apart.
"The attacks on Gaza are not acts of self-defence on Israel's part. They are the murder of innocent civilians, women and children," said Rafeef Ziadah, an organizer of yesterday's demonstration and a spokesperson for Palestine House, a group representing members of the GTA Palestinian community.
Similar protests were held in Ottawa, Montreal and Vancouver.
Traffic came to a standstill as the pro-Palestinian demonstrators, chanting "Free Palestine" from loudspeakers on the back of a pickup truck, marched two kilometres north on Yonge St. to the Israeli consulate on Bloor St. The pro-Israel group took a parallel route up Bay St. to the same destination.
"The argument that Israeli attacks are disproportionate is ridiculous," said Meir Weinstein, national director of the Jewish Defence League in Canada, walking north on Bay St. holding an Israeli flag. "We support the Israeli government's efforts to stop Hamas, stop terrorism and stop terrorist infrastructure."
Hussain Azraq, a wholesaler who came to Canada from the region 22 years ago, urged Prime Minister Stephen Harper not to be afraid to condemn the Israeli attacks.
Lawrence Cannon, Canada's foreign affairs minister, has expressed concern about the attacks, but the federal government says it believes Israel has a right to defend itself.
Azraq, 45, brought his four children. Son Mohammed, 9, said news of children dying in Gaza makes him "feel sore inside. "The children don't deserve to die because they're innocent people."
News of yesterday's ground invasion of Gaza arrived around 2 p.m. Toronto time, but organizers opted to delay the announcement until protesters arrived at the Israeli consulate an hour and a half later. The group then marched down University Ave. and burned Israeli and American flags before the U.S. consulate.
In the pro-Palestinian crowd were union and civil rights activists and a smattering of Jewish Canadians opposed to Israel's policies.
"We've got people here from almost every background supporting the cause. Our numbers are diverse," said Omar Hamid, 24, carrying a platform on which lay the effigy of a dead Palestinian child.
With files from the Canadian Press
source:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/561412
(video in link above)
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL I guess TA isn't the only place in TO where a battle of opinion wages.. source: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/561412 (video in link above) |
It's the star people, you don't quote the star.
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| Originally posted by Abercrombie AHHHH the truth finally comes out... You lied about having no sides, and there ya go. It's about you because you insulted everyone. Think twice before you start making things personal. I've been on your side for a long time. I've probably been much more involved in my past that you have. Then I saw what really goes on. I know your type. |
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| Originally posted by HouseGuru You nailed it perfectly... I can understand Annas for sticking up for his people but to try and mislead people. For shame...He can post all the propaganda he likes. Subconciously he is looking for material that is pro palestinian. Whether he wants to admit it or not. He is not fooling everyone. I have seen atrocities from both sides. Body parts of victims all over the road. Yes, carried out by suicide bombers that like to board buses full of civillians you name it. In war there is no fairness. like I said before I'm not on either side. I am on the side of peace and progress. However, I will not tolerate those who try and manipulate facts to try and sway peoples opinion. Yes you Annas Mr I'm right your wrong so listen to me. There is no innocent parties here. I have seen both sides attack each other brutally. What do you expect its a war. Annas, as much good as you think your doing, your not. You should also be aware that by trying to manipulate facts your no better the tribal leaders that teach the young to hate. They end up growing up to be your future terrorists. We don't need anymore terrorists there are plenty of loonies out there. If there is any chance for peace it is up to you to promote peace not to instigate more conflict. Civilizations come and go and people move on to different areas...it happens. What you and your people need is to learn to live in peace and forget all this nonsense. How many more lives need to be lost. Go back to palestine teach the young and old tolerance and respect. That will work out better for you then trying to convince everyone that your people are innocent. It just doesn't fly. Just think how silly it will be when your still fighting and along comes Niribu to spoil the day. Just throwing that out there it is on its way. When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. My boy Jimmy H |
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| Originally posted by HouseGuru Niribu |
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| Originally posted by HouseGuru I can understand Annas for sticking up for his people but to try and mislead people. I will not tolerate those who try and manipulate facts to try and sway peoples opinion. Yes you Annas Mr I'm right your wrong so listen to me. There is no innocent parties here. You should also be aware that by trying to manipulate facts your no better the tribal leaders that teach the young to hate. We don't need anymore terrorists there are plenty of loonies out there. It is up to you to promote peace not to instigate more conflict. That will work out better for you then trying to convince everyone that your people are innocent. It just doesn't fly. Just think how silly it will be when your still fighting and along comes Niribu to spoil the day. |
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| Originally posted by T_ALI Who? |
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| Originally posted by Anas Attia If you may, could you please enlighten me to how you came to all those conclusions? and the Nibiru thing is cute "I'm right your wrong so listen to me" - Houseguru |
I have not even been on here long enough to know you but I can already see your angle. We know your upset but keep the emotions aside.
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| Originally posted by HouseGuru Its called reading between the lines and learning to decipher the true msg. I have not even been on here long enough to know you but I can already see your angle. We know your upset but keep the emotions aside. I think we should start a thread on Nibiru |
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| Originally posted by gummybear so you base your opinions of him on pure speculation and label that as the "truth"..and no matter what he says to you or how he tries to defend himself....you will still label him based on the opinions you have created in your mind, which are founded from "reading between the lines" people like you scare me.. |
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| Originally posted by HouseGuru Be afraid....be very afraid. I am known as the destroyer. I shall bring an end to all conflict. |
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| Originally posted by evil_cookie are you serious dude? By saying that Yohan, I can tell you haven't the slightest clue on who Chomsky is--do a little more than read the first couple of lines on his Wiki Yohan... You should know better. He is one of the most renowned political scholars in the world. |
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| On May 13, 2006, Professor Chomsky was quoted by Al-Manar as saying, "Hizbullah's insistence on keeping its arms is justified... I think Nasrallah has a reasoned argument and [a] persuasive argument that they [the arms] should be in the hands of Hizbullah as a deterrent to potential aggression, and there is plenty of background reasons for that. So until, I think his position [is] reporting it correctly and it seems to me [a] reasonable position, is that until there is a general political settlement in the region, [and] the threat of aggression and violence is reduced or eliminated, there has to be a deterrent, and the Lebanese army can't be a deterrent." |
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| It�s a very�mind you�very irresponsible act. It subjects Lebanese to possible�certainly to plenty of terror and possible extreme disaster. Whether it can achieve any result, either in the secondary question of freeing prisoners or the primary question of some form of solidarity with the people of Gaza, I hope so, but I wouldn�t rank the probabilities very high. |
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| The crimes against Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and elsewhere, particularly Lebanon, are so shocking that the only emotionally valid reaction is rage and a call for extreme actions. But that does not help the victims. And, in fact, it�s likely to harm them. We have to face the reality that our actions have consequences, and they have to be adapted to real-world circumstances, difficult as it may be to stay calm in the face of shameful crimes in which we are directly and crucially implicated. |
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