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Originally posted by Lira So many atheists in the world and they couldn't hire a descent graphic designer!? That appals me more than the tides!

Look at what PZ Myers had to say:

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[...]That is one ugly-ass sign. Rebecca Watson has this one covered: she's precisely right that it is a badly designed, ugly sign. If your intent is to be newsworthy and assertive and get yourself noticed, you don't want to undercut yourself when you do make the national opinion shows by having to show off a sign that looks like it belongs on your refrigerator with your children's other drawings. Seriously, if you're going to sink money into a billboard, hire a professional graphic designer. Get something that looks good first. [...]

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Religious people live longer and with less diseases, and this is scientifically proven and verified.

So it doesn't matter whether the individual believer has a "correct " picture of life after death, or a correct conception of "God" and it is also irrelevant whether there is no life after death.

The reason why it is better to believe than not to believe, is that it provides a healthier and longer life.
Then you can call it "placebo effect", fantasy or naivety or unsubstantiated "Claims of God" but the effect of living in faith, is demonstrated by plenty of sufficient reason, by scientific means.

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Originally posted by chlola Where was "God" when the nine year old, born on 911, died Saturday???

Waiting for atheists to paradox themselves by trying to blame Him for something.

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Originally posted by mr.bison Religious people live longer and with less diseases, and this is scientifically proven and verified. The reason why it is better to believe than not to believe, is that it provides a healthier and longer life.

Thats just down to taking things in moderation. Not religion.

God told me he doesn't really exist.

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Originally posted by aquila Waiting for atheists to paradox themselves by trying to blame Him for something.

When a loving, all-powerful God fails to intervene to halt the tragedies of human affairs - that's kind of proof that He doesn't exist.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker When a loving, all-powerful God fails to intervene to halt the tragedies of human affairs - that's kind of proof that He doesn't exist.

Omnipotence is a bitch.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Omnimpotence is a bitch.

Fixed.

I lol'd at that last one

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Originally posted by aquila I lol'd at that last one

Same here

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Originally posted by aquila Waiting for atheists to paradox themselves by trying to blame Him for something.

What a stupid comment. The obvious answer is God was NOWHERE when that 9-year old died, because he doesn't exist.

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Originally posted by Spam What a stupid comment. The obvious answer is God was NOWHERE when that 9-year old died, because he doesn't exist.

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Originally posted by chlola Do you believe in God? If so... please explain to me why he lets a 17 year old boy with a heart of gold, die of liver failure the day before his senior prom ....

Well, first of all, by no means I mean to convince anyone or argue someone into believing what I believe. As a Christian, this is simply what I believe.

1) God is all good and perfect
Most people tend to look at good from a subjective viewpoint. Ie. "God is only good if He does specific things that I want." Our understanding of what is "good" simply lies from our moral lens from the way we view the world. We are all relative people, viewing things from our own perspective, but God is absolute and constant.

2) God is completely fair in His judgement
God does not hold any obligation to us, to do anything, because we simply do not deserve it since we have sinned against who He is. If you are a good person, and someone deliberately hurts you, you have no obligation to help them.

3) God is completely unfair in His mercy and love.
God chooses to whom He has mercy on and whom He doesn't. It doesn't matter if you are a "good" person, because in perspective we are all completely unworthy of God. It doesn't matter if you care for the sick and poor like Mother Theresa or Marylin Manson (to us they seem like 2 extremes)


Now back to the question, why would God let the 17 year old boy die?

Because He deserves it, and it doesn't matter how good of a person he was. However, He constantly shows mercy and love to many others as He chooses, because why? He is God, and He can do whatever He wants.

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Originally posted by J.L. Well, first of all, by no means I mean to convince anyone or argue someone into believing what I believe. As a Christian, this is simply what I believe. 1) God is all good and perfect Most people tend to look at good from a subjective viewpoint. Ie. "God is only good if He does specific things that I want." Our understanding of what is "good" simply lies from our moral lens from the way we view the world. We are all relative people, viewing things from our own perspective, but God is absolute and constant. 2) God is completely fair in His judgement God does not hold any obligation to us, to do anything, because we simply do not deserve it since we have sinned against who He is. If you are a good person, and someone deliberately hurts you, you have no obligation to help them. 3) God is completely unfair in His mercy and love. God chooses to whom He has mercy on and whom He doesn't. It doesn't matter if you are a "good" person, because in perspective we are all completely unworthy of God. It doesn't matter if you care for the sick and poor like Mother Theresa or Marylin Manson (to us they seem like 2 extremes) Now back to the question, why would God let the 17 year old boy die? Because He deserves it, and it doesn't matter how good of a person he was. However, He constantly shows mercy and love to many others as He chooses, because why? He is God, and He can do whatever He wants.

Sounds like a pretty swell guy. Thou shalt not kill, yet He kills. God is love, yet, He condemns a multitude of people to fire and brimstone. Heaven is His throne, the Earth His footstool...apparently so. If anything, events on this Earth have really only pointed in one direction. Whatever deity there is or was or is no where to be seen. What kind of practical joke is a God that decides not to reveal Himself physically or scientifically, not just through a damn book? Isn't that Public Relations 101? Why is He hiding in the shadows? Either He isn't there or He's gone on extended vacation. Either choice makes Him look like an asshole. Or fake.

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Originally posted by J.L. Well, first of all, by no means I mean to convince anyone or argue someone into believing what I believe. As a Christian, this is simply what I believe. 1) God is all good and perfect Most people tend to look at good from a subjective viewpoint. Ie. "God is only good if He does specific things that I want." Our understanding of what is "good" simply lies from our moral lens from the way we view the world. We are all relative people, viewing things from our own perspective, but God is absolute and constant. 2) God is completely fair in His judgement God does not hold any obligation to us, to do anything, because we simply do not deserve it since we have sinned against who He is. If you are a good person, and someone deliberately hurts you, you have no obligation to help them. 3) God is completely unfair in His mercy and love. God chooses to whom He has mercy on and whom He doesn't. It doesn't matter if you are a "good" person, because in perspective we are all completely unworthy of God. It doesn't matter if you care for the sick and poor like Mother Theresa or Marylin Manson (to us they seem like 2 extremes) Now back to the question, why would God let the 17 year old boy die? Because He deserves it, and it doesn't matter how good of a person he was. However, He constantly shows mercy and love to many others as He chooses, because why? He is God, and He can do whatever He wants.

Holy fuck you actually believe that?

trollllllllllllll

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit trollllllllllllll

I hope so, still you just know there are people out there that would think that way

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit trollllllllllllll

What's scary is that I don't think they actually are trolling. It sounds like the exact same garbage I was taught weekly for the first 22 years of my life.

I love how someone like J.L. can make a broad definition of what god does, so broad that it includes everything and really can't be argued against on the terms of compassion, etc.

This makes it pointless to argue with him. It really is pointless to argue with any religious people. Because their views are based on faith they have no rational reason to accept an alternate view point because the definition of truth to them does not extend beyond what they view as the truth. They live in a world unto their own, and it is impossible for them to be told to leave it by anyone but themselves.

My views on religious people waver from mild to extreme. On the one hand if they do not impede human progress then so be it, they are just stupid, but at least not harming anyone. On the other hand, if they do impede human progress then there should be no pity taken on them and dealt with in a way that will prevent their impediment of human achievement.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby My views on religious people waver from mild to extreme. On the one hand if they do not impede human progress then so be it, they are just stupid, but at least not harming anyone. On the other hand, if they do impede human progress then there should be no pity taken on them and dealt with in a way that will prevent their impediment of human achievement.

Really now, Nou.

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