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Originally posted by Lira Or else, you can just come to grips with the fact that, in order to live, we have to unfortunately kill other beings so we can survive. Chickens, carrots, and so on. It's not really romantic, but such is life. Oh, you can also try to do like those New Age Hindu guys that claim to live off sunlight! They all have nice tans

But skin cancer runs in my family.

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Originally posted by ziptnf You have a higher metabolism, and probably were able to burn off all the calories relatively easily.

I wish, i just look at a burger and i get fatter But as with everything one should know how his or hers body reacts to food. I have simply adopted a lifestyle that leaves me in relatively good shape based on my metabolism. Nothing as annoying than going out for pizza with a friend whos 20 cm shorter than you and weighs about as much as a feather but can eat a large pizza + anything that you leave behind and drink a couple of beers with that then just sleeps it off while you know you have an intense workout in front of you if you still want your pants to fit the next day


























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I actually dont really like meat all that much and will only eat it a couple of times a month when i get the craving for it, but that doesnt mean that the vegetarian extremists who think they are oh so much better than me dont annoy me when they go on and on about their "superior" lifestyle choice.

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Originally posted by Moongoose I actually dont really like meat all that much and will only eat it a couple of times a month when i get the craving for it, but that doesnt mean that the vegetarian extremists who think they are oh so much better than me dont annoy me when they go on and on about their "superior" lifestyle choice.

I always find this interesting. I've met a few vegetarians/vegans who are like this (they usually are the ones who stop fairly quickly), but for the most part they don't bother. Other meat eaters I've talked to have explained this and it seems a lot of the time someone just saying that they're vegetarian/vegan or answering questions about it will spark that sort of reaction. At what point do you consider it annoying?

I think I'm in the mood for some fried chicken tonight, dunked in sauce. Yes, yes that sounds glorious.

I agree with Lira.
You're alive, therefore you eat...what's that, organic substances and plants. Murderer.

fughawzi you sound familiar.. are you Frenchie by any chance?

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Originally posted by enydo I think I'm in the mood for some fried chicken tonight, dunked in sauce. Yes, yes that sounds glorious.

Gross.

My bf and I argue constantly about his food choices. He won't eat chicken or fish unless it's fried and drenched in disgusting sauces, what a calamity, and then he complains about feeling his arteries clogged and his heart hurts.

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Originally posted by Moongoose I actually dont really like meat all that much and will only eat it a couple of times a month when i get the craving for it, but that doesnt mean that the vegetarian extremists who think they are oh so much better than me dont annoy me when they go on and on about their "superior" lifestyle choice.

Pretty much all extremists annoy me, especially if they're condescending. It's too bad their passion for their cause doesn't allow them to see that their actions make people want to work against them.

I think these reads are interesting:

http://jillium.nfshost.com/library/pain.htm
http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/...-e/shelly-e.htm

Activists should put more effort into reducing suffering before they run their mouths over what is getting killed or why it's wrong to kill it. At the very least, if people want to out themselves as an ethical vegan, draw a line somewhere and have some legit reasons to back it up.

It is worth noting even herbivores inadvertently consume living, non-plant life (insects, small invertebrates). Things are going to die during planting and harvesting, and this is the way things will stay until we get space age vat food.

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Originally posted by Enigmatik I agree with Lira. You're alive, therefore you eat...what's that, organic substances and plants. Murderer. fughawzi you sound familiar.. are you Frenchie by any chance?

I'm happy being a plant murderer. If kale wasn't meant to be eaten, it wouldn't be so delicious.

I have no idea who Frenchie is.

Also, I am so exhausted that I apparently almost started a new thread instead of responding here so pasting:

Okay so, I've had maybe seven hours of sleep in the last seventy two or so and I'm confused/making weird jokes. I just wanted to say that I was only stating why I'm vegan, not making judgments on other people. I have no idea if it came across that way because I don't understand social cues, but yes. It was more of a post just stating how I see this.

Lira, I am in a very literal mindset currently and can't tell if you thought I was being serious but that was a joke. God, lack of sleep and spectrum tendencies make humans confusing. I do realize that I'm going to kill things, that was my point. It's about limiting (for me). I don't know if I'm just completely failing at explaining myself today?

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Originally posted by Ania_xox

God damn that looks good, you can probably cut it with a spoon.

The main thing I don't think I could give up about eating meat is all the rubs you can grill with. Holy shit. Try that with veggies, it's just not the same.

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Originally posted by bas The main thing I don't think I could give up about eating meat is all the rubs you can grill with. Holy shit. Try that with veggies, it's just not the same.

They're completely different things. Obviously.

However, veggies can soak in different marinades or you could do a rub on some stuff like Zucchini, Squash and Eggplant. One of my favorite things to do is marinate some portabello mushrooms in a bag with worcestershire sauce, balsalmic vinegar, garlic, a splash of beer, and some fresh ground pepper, and throw them on the grill. Totally awesome, and nutritious indeed!

Edit: I forgot to include that these are the giant caps, not the little button baby bellas or whatever. They're eaten as burgers, in between whole wheat buns with all the fixings

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Originally posted by ziptnf They're completely different things. Obviously. However, veggies can soak in different marinades or you could do a rub on some stuff like Zucchini, Squash and Eggplant. One of my favorite things to do is marinate some portabello mushrooms in a bag with worcestershire sauce, balsalmic vinegar, garlic, a splash of beer, and some fresh ground pepper, and throw them on the grill. Totally awesome, and nutritious indeed!

Yeah but that's boring and dull and stupid. You're stupid!

^ LOL

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Originally posted by bas Yeah but that's boring and dull and stupid. You're stupid!

Maybe, but I'm not fat anymore

I am losing weight as well, although not by adopting vegetarianism.

It's great to feel lighter. I'd like to get down to my end of high school weight.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I am losing weight as well, although not by adopting vegetarianism. It's great to feel lighter. I'd like to get down to my end of high school weight.

It's awesome to feel lighter. I have dropped so much weight so quickly because of both exercise and veganism. You can't just rely on one of them to achieve the results you need.

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Originally posted by ziptnf It's awesome to feel lighter. I have dropped so much weight so quickly because of both exercise and veganism. You can't just rely on one of them to achieve the results you need.

You really are a fucking idiot sometimes. You can't rely on one of them because you clearly have self-control problems you're blaming on meat. Currently I drink 4 litres of milk a week, eat 12 eggs a week and consume meat in at least two meals every day - an exceptionally un-vegan diet - and I'm getting excellent results in losing fat and preserving lean muscle mass.

The problem with cheesy, salty, greasy meat-based junk food is not the meat. It's the grease, the fat, the empty calories and the addictive additives. If you can't control your urge to scoff that shit without renouncing meat altogether, then the problem has nothing to do with the food or your metabolism, and everything to do with your mind.

Yeah, I am losing weight while eating meat with most meals.

Simply cutting out the empty calorie crap foods (chips, cheese crackers, etc.) has shaved a few hundred calories off of my average daily consumption. Plus I burn a bunch of calories at work, which happens late at night on an empty stomach.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Yes, but she would have a much easier time controlling herself if she wasn't completely surrounded by fast food joints that provide ample amounts of deliciously salty and cheesy meat for her fat ass to devour.

That is such a crock of fucking shit, and exactly why I despise fat pieces of lazy fucking useless shit like that.

To reduce fast food consumption, it helps not to walk into any fast food restaurants or send anyone else there for you.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles To reduce fast food consumption, it helps not to walk into any fast food restaurants or send anyone else there for you.

I've found walking there hurts my hips and ankles. Fortunately, my clinical obesity diagnosis has allowed me to get a Hover-Round Scooter at little to no cost to me. No more walking, for me.

A couple of years ago I lost about 10-15 pounds in the span of 2.5 weeks and guess what? Meat was one of the only things I was eating. Lean, white chicken meat. No exercise, no vegan-ism.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Simply cutting out the empty calorie crap foods (chips, cheese crackers, etc.) has shaved a few hundred calories off of my average daily consumption. Plus I burn a bunch of calories at work, which happens late at night on an empty stomach.

Yeah, I decided to cut out chocolate, alcohol and fizzy drinks from my diet and eat smaller, regular meals. I try and make animal-derived protein the source of as many of my daily calories as possible. It preserves lean mass and it also fills you up. Three boiled eggs amount to about 240 calories, but they'll fill you up for hours. A chocolate bar with double that number of calories will leave you hungry again in an hour.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I've found walking there hurts my hips and ankles. Fortunately, my clinical obesity diagnosis has allowed me to get a Hover-Round Scooter at little to no cost to me. No more walking, for me.

In that case:

To reduce fast food consumption, it helps not to walk into, drive into, drive up to, or otherwise enter or approach any fast food restaurants, or send anyone else there for you.

Eggs are the fucking best. You can eat them any time of day. So many ways to prepare them. I love them just plain hard boiled with a little bit of pepper. OM NOM NOM.

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