lol, halcyon has gotten into the wacky tobaccy again.
Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Feb-17-2009 00:16:
See what I have been talking about? You're always suspicious of something.
Posted by Audigy7 on Feb-17-2009 02:29:
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
See what I have been talking about? You're always suspicious of something.
I think the fact that 60% of people don't believe the official story to be more than enough evidence to lay the blame completely and absolutely on pkc.
Posted by colonelcrisp on Feb-17-2009 21:02:
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Originally posted by culorut
I know a hell of a lot more then you and you're bed buddy on the subject.
Thermal expansion can be devastating in ridgid structures. if a member is un restrained, its relatively harmless but the more resistance the member encounters (ie being securely fixed at both ends), that elongation is converted into internal stress. given a ridgid enough system and a significant temperature increase, this could prove catastrophic.
point in case (from the opposite end of the spectrum) the recent collapse of the ski lift at whistler was caused by a very small layer of water that penetrated into a welded joint. when the temperature dropped, the water froze and the ice actually blew the weld out.
Posted by culorut on Feb-17-2009 22:18:
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Originally posted by colonelcrisp
A ski lift is built in the same manner as a skyscraper?
Comparing apples to oranges again.
Fail.
Oddly enough you compare a ski lift to WTC7 but when another 50 story building just like WTC7 burns for days and does not crumble down to the ground the critics suddenly become silenced.
This is a what a real fire looks like,
Posted by culorut on Feb-17-2009 22:22:
quote:
Originally posted by Audigy7
I think the fact that 60% of people don't believe the official story to be more than enough evidence to lay the blame completely and absolutely on pkc.
The official story and it's supporters are not doing a good enough job convincing anyone.
Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Feb-17-2009 23:01:
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Originally posted by culorut
Comparing apples to oranges again.
did he really just say this? fucken LOL Posted by Krypton on Feb-17-2009 23:23:
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
did he really just say this? fucken LOL
He did. But in his world, insurance policies determined which buildings fell..Posted by colonelcrisp on Feb-18-2009 14:44:
quote:
Originally posted by culorut
A ski lift is built in the same manner as a skyscraper?
Comparing apples to oranges again.
Fail.
Oddly enough you compare a ski lift to WTC7 but when another 50 story building just like WTC7 burns for days and does not crumble down to the ground the critics suddenly become silenced.
This is a what a real fire looks like,
I write it in technical language, you can't comprehend what im saying.... I dumb it down for you and give you a real world example (one that you wont try and blame on the CIA), and yet you still fail to get the point...... its like arguing with a kid who has down syndrome..... i keep talking, and all you want is your baseball
Posted by colonelcrisp on Feb-18-2009 14:53:
Furthermore,
To say a weld joint in a ski lift failing due to frost heave is similar to the effects of thermal expansion on a structural steel joint, wouldn't be totally out of line, some differences, but the fundamentals remain the same.
Now in your case, comparing two infinitely more complex systems (might i add that you have zero formal training in structural analysis, material sciences, or common sense for that matter)and drawing any conclusions from that would be the same as doing a clinical drug study on one person and applying the findings the whole population.... Ie: Man A has prostate cancer, therefore the entire world will have prostate cancer, no matter if you are a man or a woman......
Posted by culorut on Feb-18-2009 16:22:
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Now in your case, comparing two infinitely more complex systems
1. A freezing joint on a ski lift compared with a 50 story building on fire.
2. A 50 story building on fire compared to a 50 story building with raging fires.
I going to have to go with option 2 no matter how smart you think and say you are.
Posted by culorut on Feb-18-2009 16:26:
fixed.
quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
He did. But in Larry Silverstein's world, insurance policies determined which buildings fell..
Posted by culorut on Feb-18-2009 17:24:
The 9/11 commission completely left WTC7 out of their report. The only building to ever collapse at practically free fall speed due to office fires in history. Countless witnesses present at ground zero heard the explosions going off, Larry Silverstein the lease holder of the building said on air "we decided to pull it" (WTC7) but you want to compare a freezing joint on a ski lift to a 47 story building?
I believe you do not comprehend to well even if you are an engineer.
The Third Tower - World Trade Building 7 part 1
The Third Tower - World Trade Building 7 part 2
Posted by culorut on Feb-18-2009 17:49:
Barry Jenning - Account of WTC 7 Explosions
No frozen ski lift joints or thermal expansion to see here....move on.
Posted by Krypton on Feb-18-2009 21:06:
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Originally posted by culorut
fixed.
Nothing about insurance policies. Do you even watch your own videos...
Got any more youtube videos you can pull out of your ass to try to prove absolutely nothing?
Posted by colonelcrisp on Feb-18-2009 21:37:
quote:
Originally posted by culorut
1. A freezing joint on a ski lift compared with a 50 story building on fire.
2. A 50 story building on fire compared to a 50 story building with raging fires.
I going to have to go with option 2 no matter how smart you think and say you are.
comparing the failure of a weld joint between two structural steel components due to thermal expansion vs a joint failure in a structural steel structure due to heat expansion / yield strenght loss due to excessive heat is very comparable...
at no point did i say i was comparing a ski lift to a 50 story building... pull your head out of your ass....
and as usual.... you fall back to youtube to make up for your lack of understanding.....
you truthers would not be able to survive without the skillz of of copypasta and trite you post from youtube......
grow up
Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Feb-18-2009 22:02:
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Originally posted by culorut
The 9/11 commission completely left WTC7 out of their report.
i love how you say this as if its relevant to anything. WTC7 got its own report, fuckhead.
just another piece of work you wont read obviously, and have virtually no chance of understanding anyway.
oh, and please keep arguing structural engineering with colonel, it keeps us all vastly amused! Posted by culorut on Feb-19-2009 02:19:
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Originally posted by Krypton
Nothing about insurance policies. Do you even watch your own videos...
I posted that video to show that Larry Silverstein slipped up, he went on air and said "we decided to pull it". (world trade building 7)
As for the insurance policy,
Apr 26, 2001 � The Port Authority, authorized by Lewis M. Eisenberg, (left Goldman Sachs after affair) decided to privatize the WTC, and lease it to Silverstein Properties. (In 1995, Pataki ran for Governor promising he would help privatize the WTC).
Jul 24, 2001 � Six weeks before 911, Silverstein Properties and Westfield America, Inc. (retail part) took control of a 99 year, $3.2 billion lease of the WTC.
Silverstein was the 2nd place bidder. Vornado Realty was the 1st place bidder. He withdrew when they wouldn�t agree to a shorter lease period. This deal was the richest real estate deal in NYC history, and yet a bargain for Silverstein.
Three Interesting Issues:
1)The buildings were immediately insured for $3.5 billion, and covered for �terrorist attacks�.
3)After 911, he sued for $7.2 (double the original amount he insured the buildings for) claiming two separate incidents. In the end, he was paid approximately $4.5 billion, as the judge agreed, in the end, that it was two separate occurrences.
just another piece of work you wont read obviously, and have virtually no chance of understanding anyway.
oh, and please keep arguing structural engineering with colonel, it keeps us all vastly amused!
Yes it did and NIST laid the blame on thermal expansion. Thanks went over it and the 7 year report in full of shit. Next.
Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Feb-19-2009 02:43:
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Originally posted by culorut
Yes it did and NIST laid the blame on thermal expansion. Thanks went over it and the 7 year report in full of shit. Next.
hahahahahahaha. ahhhhhhhh. hahahahahahaha.
yeah, im sure you and all your expertise really explored the thousands of pages therein. jesus, you're not even pretending anymore Posted by culorut on Feb-19-2009 02:53:
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Originally posted by colonelcrisp
comparing the failure of a weld joint between two structural steel components due to thermal expansion vs a joint failure in a structural steel structure due to heat expansion / yield strenght loss due to excessive heat is very comparable...
at no point did i say i was comparing a ski lift to a 50 story building... pull your head out of your ass....
and as usual.... you fall back to youtube to make up for your lack of understanding.....
you truthers would not be able to survive without the skillz of of copypasta and trite you post from youtube......
grow up
Yes but these weld joints are present in very different conditions, one is on a ski lift under cold temperatures and the other is under heat isolated in a high rise building.
Comparing buildings which are nearly identical and of the same conditions (fire) would be a better assessment. Of course none of the following below collapsed and crumbled to the ground like WTC7. World Trade Building 7 is the only building to ever do so in history.
The One Meridian Plaza Fire
The Windsor Building Fire
Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire Posted by culorut on Feb-19-2009 02:57:
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yeah, im sure you and all your expertise really explored the thousands of pages therein. jesus, you're not even pretending anymore
NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse
You really want to go through a few thousand pages of bull shit?
Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Feb-19-2009 03:00:
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Originally posted by culorut
The One Meridian Plaza Fire
The Windsor Building Fire
Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire
quote:
Originally posted by culorut
Comparing apples to oranges again.
do you see how cretinrot enforces different rules than he is willing to abide by himself? hilarious.
Posted by Krypton on Feb-19-2009 03:16:
quote:
Originally posted by culorut
I posted that video to show that Larry Silverstein slipped up, he went on air and said "we decided to pull it". (world trade building 7)
As for the insurance policy,
Apr 26, 2001 � The Port Authority, authorized by Lewis M. Eisenberg, (left Goldman Sachs after affair) decided to privatize the WTC, and lease it to Silverstein Properties. (In 1995, Pataki ran for Governor promising he would help privatize the WTC).
Jul 24, 2001 � Six weeks before 911, Silverstein Properties and Westfield America, Inc. (retail part) took control of a 99 year, $3.2 billion lease of the WTC.
Silverstein was the 2nd place bidder. Vornado Realty was the 1st place bidder. He withdrew when they wouldn�t agree to a shorter lease period. This deal was the richest real estate deal in NYC history, and yet a bargain for Silverstein.
Three Interesting Issues:
1)The buildings were immediately insured for $3.5 billion, and covered for �terrorist attacks�.
3)After 911, he sued for $7.2 (double the original amount he insured the buildings for) claiming two separate incidents. In the end, he was paid approximately $4.5 billion, as the judge agreed, in the end, that it was two separate occurrences.
If I ever saw a jump to conclusion, this is it. Once again, using giant leaps of logic, to prove...nothing...Posted by colonelcrisp on Feb-19-2009 12:21:
quote:
Originally posted by culorut
Yes but these weld joints are present in very different conditions, one is on a ski lift under cold temperatures and the other is under heat isolated in a high rise building.
Comparing buildings which are nearly identical and of the same conditions (fire) would be a better assessment.
I was comparing two MICRO causes (ie the effects of extreme heat or extreme cold on a weld) also known as failure modes..... ie if i break a toothpick on top of mount fuji, and i break a toothpick in death valley california, even though the geographic location was different, the failure mode was identical (the toothpick broke)
now your trying to say MACRO causes are the same....
building A and building B are both on fire, building A collapses...... therefore Building B should collapse as well....
