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ppl have a right to their opinions. even if you thought his mixing was bad, i don't care. just don't say it behind his back is all i ask. it's just common decency.

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Originally posted by trancearmada I can testify as to what Mecha said, all he said was that all they played in the set were all the major tracks played by all the other big dj's and it seemed as though they did not have any tracks that made them stand out from the majority of what other popular dj's play I swear this was the only comment he ever made, to me at least...

lol... i don't remember exactly what we played... although our style is definitely unlike anyone elses... we just didn�t have enough time to get into everything... as for us playing all the big tunes.. I remember mecha�s set and seeing his track listing... lol... as a matter of fact between matt and I we own all of the records that he played... which in my opinion were probably some of the biggest tunes that release had received the two weeks prior to the invasion... if I remember correctly anyways... I have nothing but confidence in matty�s ability and in mine... everyone likes positive feed back� and I must admit I�m one of them... although I like the bad as well... helps me to learn as a dj... if I know what I�m doing wrong I can fix it... so thanks... i'll remember to mix in some lesser known tracks next time

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Originally posted by trancearmada I realize that it should be all kept in private... but not when a TA tells u shit for a year, and you are all nice to him in return and you support them as much as you can and all you get in return is empty promises...

what is accomplished by saying all this then ?

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Originally posted by trancearmada Speaking of people being too nice... do you remember who introduced you to the majority of the TA's... who drew a god damn map for one of the biggest TA meet ups ever?... Did I ever get a thank you from one god damn TA for doing that? not a single fucking one! For the majority of people that were on here at least in the last 2-3 (not including this last year) years... who tried to organize the most meetups? who tried to promote a TA party meet ups? These were all originaly my ideas? I know some of them got implemented and improved later by other TA's... Did I ever get a god damn thank you from Swamper? No! Not once! I asked him for a favour, which was fucking simple as hell... and got rejected... and that's what ticked me off the most... The more people I introduced to him the more he tried to distance himself from us, cause he realized how big this thing became... You all think it's bullshit, but I swear this is the pure truth... I tried my best to create a sence of community... I have done my part... and now feels like the right time to move on... I know that likely because of this I will never get to spin at anyother TA DJ party... but you know what... I sick of all the lying, snitching... and cowardness shown by the TA's that are too pussy to speak out about what they really think of other TA's, and other TA's that are too pussy to back me up... and those TA's that only use these forums to their own benefits... you all might think that all I do is bitch, true maybe to some extent... but it's all due to the fact that people on these forums never really show their true colors... and that's all I was trying to get done all along was to unite this community as much as I could... but most of you could fucking care less...

I understand that you're upset, and it's unfortunate that you feel this way but then perhaps TA really isn't the place for you then. I hope you can find a place where people are more accepting of you and I mean this in the most sincere way. I've known both you and mecha since early 2002 now and was glad that you guys were able to come out and play for us at System. Each time I've met you guys in person you both have seemed like very nice people, why you have trouble getting along with some of the same people that have been at the same parties we've been to online is beyond me. Anyways, I hope eventually one day you guys will be at peace with yourselves and put all this anger aside.

Holy shit....this is still going

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Originally posted by trancearmada Did I ever get a god damn thank you from Swamper? No! Not once! I asked him for a favour, which was fucking simple as hell... and got rejected... and that's what ticked me off the most... The more people I introduced to him the more he tried to distance himself from us, cause he realized how big this thing became... You all think it's bullshit, but I swear this is the pure truth... I tried my best to create a sence of community... I have done my part... and now feels like the right time to move on...

Ok.. I've been sitting idle reading this shit and wondering when you would cross the line - it appears you just did. Distance myself from you? What do I OWE you? You always seem to find yourself in a pissing match with somebody when you don't get your way - it's a pattern that has repeated itself OVER and OVER again and frankly I'm sick of it. Your word has as much integrity as the attitude you've displayed in this thread - translation: not much.

Here is the log of the PM dialogue between myself and Armada in August 2002:

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Aug-17-2002 17:06 TranceArmada writes: I am going to get a gig in September, and I was just wondering if I could possibly use TrancEaddict.com under my DJ name? Just thought I would ask. I mean I don't wanna use the name if it's not ok with you! ============================= Swamper wrote on Today 16:50: Depends... where is this gig at and where is it gonna be used? just on flyers? Cuz usually ppl that use that are directly affiliated with the site which you're not... sooo... i'd need some info.. thx ============================= Aug-19-2002 17:35 TranceArmada writes: It's gonna be for the "EnTrance-2" party, the last party was held by "arek" (also a TA), this time DJ Eso (also a TA) is in charge, and most likely there is going to be a lot of TA support behind this. Cause last time there was a meet up and we had the biggest TA turn out in years! What do you mean directly assosiated to the site? How can I be directly associated to the site? How is anyone other than you can be directly associated to the site? I know DJ Fuzion is your friend, and you posted a couple of his mixes here, and I saw him use the tranceaddict.com on the WEMF flyer. I feel that I am just as big of a part of the TA maybe not the main site, but the forums. Just thought I would promote the TrancEaddict.com a little more but if you don't feel that's right than forget it. I just thought it would be a good idea, but whatever! ============================= Swamper wrote on Aug-19-2002 20:29: Dude, chill with your tone. All I'm saying is that I can't let that association be used lightly otherwise there is a snowball effect and a bunch of other people will want to start using it. If I bend a little for you then I get a ton of other requests and "what makes him special?" comments from others. The two DJs that have ever had used that association have both been on radio and had multiple residencies - and been DJing in the toronto area spinning for over 7 years. ============================= Aug-20-2002 01:32 TranceArmada writes: Well it just sounded like you were telling me to fuck off at first, but it all makes sence now. Forget I ever asked you about any of this.

So, it was seen as me telling you to "fuck off" when I said no to you?? Damn, I can imagine your reaction if I had actually replied with that. And, to think you said for me to forget you ever asked me? How can I? You keep bringing it up even a year later! Get over it!

I don't normally save PMs - but given your behaviour with that whole signature ordeal last september I felt it a smart move to keep around were you ever to mention things out of context or attempt to paint me in a bad light.

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wow, yeah and I am gonna take advice from you... please... it's all about connections... the fact that nothing happened in return does not piss me off, what pisses me off is people giving me empty promises over a period of over a year, meanwhile pretending to be your friends...

Actually it's not all about connections. Mike(Shryer) has been a TA a lot less than you, so obviously has a lot less connections than you. Or maybe he has more connections than you on TA, but you DEFINITELY had more opportunity to create those connections as you've been here much longer. But connections aside, as far as I know Mike had the best set at Tribe tent during WEMF. And his Invasion set kicked ass as well.

Now I wasn't there for either you or Mike's set, but from reading reviews, people enjoyed his set far more than yours. Maybe you are a good mixer and truly a good DJ - but are people interested in your music? Be honest? Will you attract more people than Mike? Again, be honest. So do you really think ESO should've book you ?

Having said that, connections kind of matter as well. Obviously when there is a "tie" between two great DJs, the one with better connections "wins". But what have you done to create those connections? You can do 10 good things(like organizing meet ups etc), but people will remember you for 1 bad thing(ie posts on this thread). I guess that's what happened in this case.

Now, regarding Swamper's post. I disagree with it. What's the big deal about putting a TA logo on a flyer? I seriously don't see the big deal.

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Originally posted by Durafei Now, regarding Swamper's post. I disagree with it. What's the big deal about putting a TA logo on a flyer? I seriously don't see the big deal.

It wasn't about a logo on a flyer - it was about 'tranceaddict.com' beside/under his name.

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Originally posted by trancearmada but it's all due to the fact that people on these forums never really show their true colors...

a/ Generalizations like that seriously suck.
b/ The same "fakers" you think are on this board are everywhere in life. You plan on running from life too?

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Originally posted by ~*AngelsEyes*~ Im lost y doesnt StereoPrincess's name come up on here or charmscars or skipper but all headings under armda and mecha ???

You make me laugh - jumping in here on page 25, spewing your mouth off with nonsense.

If you feel Aaron's post is lacking something, feel free to add to it. I'm curious to see what kind of garbage you'll come up with.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL I was gonna post a really long post to help clarify a few misinformed comments in the last 25 pages or so, but i don't think it matters anymore because something tells me that aside from the 6 or 7 people taking part in this debate, the 350 or so other TOTA's and likely 20,000 lurkers out there reading this (or not) probably aren't gonna take it seriously at all. John has mentioned to me that he doesn't plan on posting here either. So i don't think we need to tell you guys what to think about all this. But i will say this, what we do for TA and you guys we do so out of our own charity. We want nothing more but to see TA DJ's be successful in what they do. We're just happy to have given many of you the opportunity to play and hope to do so again. It saddens us to see DJ's fighting amongst themselves and speculating on the selection process while at the same time trying to defend their credibility with others on the board. I think what we should be happy about is the fact that we can see our peers receiving the opportunity to play at events that they might not have done so before instead of focusing on other people's shortcomings. You can pretty much draw your own conclusions from everything. I'm sure most of you are smart enough not to have to be told what to think about all this.

i didnt want to post in this thread, but i think this is worth repeating...well said man!

steve.

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Originally posted by trancearmada Speaking of people being too nice... do you remember who introduced you to the majority of the TA's... who drew a god damn map for one of the biggest TA meet ups ever?... Did I ever get a thank you from one god damn TA for doing that? not a single fucking one! For the majority of people that were on here at least in the last 2-3 (not including this last year) years... who tried to organize the most meetups? who tried to promote a TA party meet ups? These were all originaly my ideas? I know some of them got implemented and improved later by other TA's... Did I ever get a god damn thank you from Swamper? No! Not once! I asked him for a favour, which was fucking simple as hell... and got rejected... and that's what ticked me off the most... The more people I introduced to him the more he tried to distance himself from us, cause he realized how big this thing became... You all think it's bullshit, but I swear this is the pure truth... I tried my best to create a sence of community... I have done my part... and now feels like the right time to move on...

It is true that you did introduce a lot of the TAs to each other back in 2001 but I really don't know what happened from then until now. It seems it all went to shit at some point. It was you that changed not the rest of TA. You really think that a mass of people just turned on you and you remained the same? You may have done "your part" before but you sure as hell turned it all around in the end. You organized meet-ups before but became lazy and others took over. You haven't been to a meet-up in a long time and everyone gets the feeling from you that you are beyond trance now and above anyone that listens to trance.

If you really want me to spell it out for you about why Peter told you he would book you but didn't? Its because you guys got bad feedback about your spinning and your demos but Peter was too nice to say anything and kept on telling you that you will get booked. The reason that he booked you the first time was because you booked him. He doesn't owe you anything anymore. One gig for one gig. Just because you booked him at Turbulence, he has to book you at every party now. You yourself know that that would be complete bullshit.

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Originally posted by trancearmada I can testify as to what Mecha said, all he said was that all they played in the set were all the major tracks played by all the other big dj's and it seemed as though they did not have any tracks that made them stand out from the majority of what other popular dj's play

Here's our tracklisting from that night.

1. Cass vs. TearsForFears -- MadWorld -- w/l
2. LeeCoombs&MeatKatie -- TwoMenOnATrip -- Fingerlickin
3. NewOrder -- Crystals(LeeCoombs) -- Reprise
4. LukeChable--SealersCove(MidnightInCyberfunk)--ZeroTolerance
--->PQM -- YouAreSleeping(DeepheadPass) -- Yoshitoshi
5. David Gahan -- DirtyStickyFloors(PT2 LexiconAve RMX) -- Mute
6. Dido -- Take My Hand(Brothers In Rhythm) -- w/l
7. Branaccio&Aisher -- Darker([email protected]) -- PlayerOne
--->TribesOfKahnGala -- SubwayBaby(HomerunAccapella) -- SAW
8. Sultan -- Isabella -- Shinichi
9. Slide Vs. Healey -- WickedBehaviour -- w/l
10. Cultivate -- BrokenPieces(Max Graham) -- LostLanguage
11. Funktion -- Seduction -- AlternativeRoute
--->SmashingPumpkins -- Disarm -- Hutt
12. SaturatedFatty -- OnTheHorizon -- AlphaNumeric
13. Jark Prongo -- AlleviationOfDistress -- Psst

HhaHhahHhahAha! Right. Real stereotypical.

AND, we didn't blow the amp either.
Would you like me to get into that?

Or maybe letting this thread drop back a few pages would be in your best interests... Or perhaps deleting it Mecha? I think you were the one that started it? Might be wise.

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Originally posted by RyanMarcus I think you were the one that started it? Might be wise.

nah...he didnt start it...del just split that old palazzo thread cos of the BS that arose from his post (ie. the first post int htis thread)

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Originally posted by mecha you know shit about all this and your feedback means nothing at all. You just putting more heat to all of this. Without knowing anything what happend. So please keep your mindless thoughts to yourself.

actually, she knows what she's talking about. who do you think told her all of this? the source himself.

mecha only conveyed the info about spining at turbulence...the party was organized by mirza....

this debate is honestly not getting anywhere..i suggest that one side take teh smarter side and just end it right here...

My constructive input:

BALL HAIR!!

Now back to your original programming.

Line taken from Duce Bigalo - Male Gigalo

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Originally posted by mecha I just can't wait to meet you especially when you gonna say that to my face. I would like to see what kind of guts you will have then.

Here's the breakdown in your logic:

It won't just be his guts you'll have to consider - it will be 30 other TA's guts as well.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker My constructive input: BALL HAIR!! Now back to your original programming.

Like..u know.....ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker My constructive input: BALL HAIR!! Now back to your original programming.

that's actually a very insightfgul point

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Here's the breakdown in your logic: It won't just be his guts you'll have to consider - it will be 30 other TA's guts as well.

hey..i aint takin out my guts...i need em to digest my food

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Originally posted by trancearmada we went out of our way to get you to spin at Turbulence, whether you know it or not... and I get jack shit from you in return...

If I can offer any advice to anybody on here:

Don't do things for others with the expectation that you'll get something in return as a result. That isn't how it works. Do things for others just to be a good, giving person.

If you want to do something for someone - and expect something in return - write up a contract. Lay out clear expectations and conditions - have both parties sign it - and if one party doesn't follow trough, bitch and whine and SUE.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH i think i'm gonna sue Swamper for letting this thread go on for so long and wasting my time with it guys...honestly...GROW UP

DO NO SUCH THING! This is entertaining for the most part.

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Originally posted by tw1tch DO NO SUCH THING! This is entertaining for the most part.

not really dood..at first it was..now its just boring cos the topic is gettin old...need a new flame thread bout some other topic

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Originally posted by mecha you know shit about all this and your feedback means nothing at all. You just putting more heat to all of this. Without knowing anything what happend. So please keep your mindless thoughts to yourself.

Well, that's what I got from Art's post. Not from anything else, moron.

I guess no one's feedback matters then? You are so full of shit. Its the crowd that goes to see you and unfortunately I am part of the crowd and so are pretty much all these people. Now you are telling that our feedback doesn't matter? You are so fucked up. If you suck, you shouldn't spin outside your bedroom, how hard is that to understand?

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Originally posted by mecha there is more then just a Art's post, again it has been prooven u know nothing about what happend....

why doesn't your genius mind enlighten me then. are you going to put words into Peter's mouth too like you did with John and Emery?

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