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4 years later, I still think that wasn't a foul.

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Originally posted by razmataz YEah that was nasty, but you have to admit Tranceaddict has grown over the years God knows I had no idea something like trance music existed in 2000.

i'm not talking about TA, but about english fans in general, what about all those titles in english newspapers bashing the ref?

The referee didn't even consult his linesman, it was a highly unprofessional and completely incorrect decision which has directly cost England a place in the semi-finals.

With regards to the game, England were poor, but Portugal weren't much better. For all their possession Portugal looked the same as they did in their previous three games, no inventiveness in the final third of the pitch and weak in defence. They looked menacing for much of the game but in reality rarely threatened the English goal, always restricted to speculative crosses, shots over the bar and cynical diving for free kicks.

For England this was the second game in four days. Portugal were beating us to loose balls and as the game wore on some of the English players looked exhausted. Although this game kicked off at 7.45 the heat was 25C and most English players are not used to playing in those conditions. Portugal looked fitter and fresher, but couldn't make it count.

Losing Rooney after half an hour was a crucial blow for England. Up until then the game had not settled down and England looked more likely to double their lead than go into half-time with a draw. After Rooney limped off with a broken bone in his foot, England looked far less potent up front and a bit of pressure was taken off the Portuguese, who felt more confident running at the English and happier to leave gaps at the back.

With Rooney throughout the game I'm confident England would have won this but even without him we should have put the game beyond doubt. It took England 3 minutes to get a goal, it took Portugal 80 minutes to equalise. It took England only 5 minutes to reply to that with what should have been the winning goal. In injury time Portugal thought they had got the winner after 20 minutes, but again it only took England 5 minutes to reply with a goal. This alone shows that when England weren't afraid to get numbers forward, we looked like scoring. Eriksson had no choice to take off Scholes, Gerrard should have come off sooner, his substitutions didn't satisfy me. Hargreaves wasn't bad, Neville didn't get into the game. Dyer was exactly what England needed in that second half, he is one of the fittest players I've ever seen, he has amazing pace and runs all day and he would have given the Portuguese players a very tiring night as well as giving England a better outlet when clearing the ball from defence and he isn't afraid to run at defenders. You have to wonder why Eriksson brought Dyer and J.Cole to the tournament.

Whilst England played poorly, you have to admire their spirit. Portugal equalised on the 83rd minute which was a heartbreaking blow to England and their fans after defending their lead for nearly the whole game. But the players picked themselves up straight away and went at the Portuguese, and they were rewarded with a winning goal in the last minute for their determination, only for the referee to disallow it. Feeling cheated by the referee, England were now more tired than their opponents and faced the prospect of extra time, what would eventually by 2 hours of football in that heat. But they got on with the task and when Portugal scored with 10 minutes left it seemed like the end. But once again they lifted themselves to get the equaliser. To then lose on penalties felt so demoralising and unjust.

Why is it some people suggest John Terry "challenged" the keeper. John Terry stayed put, jumped into his own airspace and the keeper comes across his box to challenge for a ball he is always third favourite for. Unsurprisingly by the time he gets there Campbell has it in the back of the net. There is no question that this was a legitimate goal.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Why is it some people suggest John Terry "challenged" the keeper. John Terry stayed put, jumped into his own airspace and the keeper comes across his box to challenge for a ball he is always third favourite for. Unsurprisingly by the time he gets there Campbell has it in the back of the net. There is no question that this was a legitimate goal.

It's all irrelevant anyway, becasue terry was offside when owen headed the ball and then he directly interfered with play. so if the goal stood then portugal would have been hard done by.

Owen's header was a shot against the bar.

Terry never interfered with play.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Owen's header was a shot against the bar.

yes and john terry was offside when he headered it. Then he ran in towards goal and directly interfered with the play.

I've just watched it again and John Terry is running alongside a defender at the far post as the cross swings in. When Owen heads (which is a shot not an assist anyway) Terry is still being played onside by the man at the far post. Terry never interferes with anyone, he and Campbell are virtually on the line anyway as the ball hits the bar, and it rebounds to them. They jump into their own airspace and don't impede anybody. Nothing wrong with it at all.

You can watch it here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2004/england/default.stm#

The linesman gave it as a goal but the referee overruled him despite an awful view of the event himself. The ref didn't even consult his linesman on the matter, and allowed Portugal to take a free-kick while England players were off the pitch celebrating. All thoroughly unprofessional.

about he being 'unprofessional', you do know refs ocasionally make unintentional mistakes?

Terry is offside when owen heads it. I can't believe you can't see that, it's soo obvious.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 about he being 'unprofessional', you do know refs ocasionally make unintentional mistakes?

The referee has come out and said he would give the same decision again, despite the video footage. Sorry but I've lost any respect for him.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 btw, wasn't there some play where we supposedly scored but the ref didn't give the goal to us neither?

I remember there being a play where a Portuguese shot was cleared "off the line". I thought it was in, but unfortunately no replays were shown and the English commentators/analysts didn't mention it again.

It certainly wasn't in, I'm pretty sure there was a replay at the time as well because it was Cole made the clearance (a low header off the line) and the commentators were going on about how good he'd been. I was surprised it wasn't shown after the game though, although it happened in extra time and there were a lot of talking points at the end of the game for them to cover. Maybe there's a video of that on the net as well?

Ronaldo doing his thing:



(stolen from Sweden subforum)

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Originally posted by Jantjeuh Ronaldo doing his thing: (stolen from Sweden subforum)

hahahaha thats awesome

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Originally posted by Jantjeuh Ronaldo doing his thing: (stolen from Sweden subforum)

hahaha, all it needs now is Urs Meier giving Portugal a free kick for it (Lampard's Awesome tackle)

haha that's awesome!

Just spotted this image

Funny caption anyone?

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Originally posted by paranoik0 about he being 'unprofessional', you do know refs ocasionally make unintentional mistakes?

ah yes, of course they makes mistakes. But how can any honest referee admit to seeing the play clearly when he was over 30 yards away? he did not even consult the linesman, who was clearly flabergasted that Mires called it back. It seems very, very suspicious to many of us. All Campbell and Terry were doing was going for the ball..by the time Terry was coming down and had his hand on Ricardo's shoulder, the ball was already in the bloody net!

How any of you Portuguese fans can feel that you really beat England is beyond me.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Just spotted this image Funny caption anyone?

WTF are they doing Indeed a funny pic!

ok..this should finish with all english whining about that "disallowed" goal

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Decision defended It followed Meier's much-debated decison to disallow an England goal in the dying stages of last Thursday's UEFA EURO 2004� quarter-final against Portugal. Both UEFA Referees' Committee chairman Volker Roth and vice-chairman Ken Ridden defended the decision by Meier to annul Sol Campbell's header.

you can read more on the euro2004.com site

LINK

That is to save face. They will always stand behind their refs. His own reffing linesman disagreed with him. SO it proves nothing except that UEFA is biased. Portugal got screwed 4 years ago and now they have made up for it. Basically they are even now.

if you read the complete article, you'll learn that they did a special press meeting were they explained the reasons it was disallowed..i wouldn't think the press would buy this argument "well, it was disallowed to get portugal even"..

Did you think Ibrahimovics goal was legit vs. Italy. He was going after the ball and got in the goalies way.

It would be a political nightmare for them to say yes it should have been a goal. They are going to support him even though it is wrong. You are always going to support your own.

bah.politics is crap

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