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i think the fact that the first person who posted this thread is saying that Interstate - I Found You is becoming worse because its being played more just really nullifies his arguement. i personally don't think that track is too amazing, but its somewhat creative and original. the quality of a track does not degrade over the number of times it is played.

i dunnno. also on probspot. i can't say his productions are of low quality. yes his soudns are recycled. but please pick apart his songs piece by piece. being that i've started producing, i've been doing that with a lot of songs. his arrangement, use of sounds, melodies, layering, is all very very good. i dunno, once i started producing, i've begun appreciating tracks more and more, even though they may sound generic and boring. i always listen and say, "damn, thats a crazy sound effect, or, cool drum pattern" etc. etc. much respect for all these producers mcprog or not because its not easy at all.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J My point. The percieved superiority in this case being that underground music is percieved as being better because it is not mainstream.

That's generally true, but not always. For example, you hear people spout off about Kraftwerk all the time, but how many of those know of Cluster, Parmegiani, Can, or Faust? A lot of people consider those guys to be better than Kraftwerk production wise. The underground always shapes music more than the popular, Kraftwerk included. However simply because say...Funky or French House is more popular than Deep House doesn't make Deep House any better. Contradictory to what most of its fans will tell you.

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Originally posted by Plastick Who are u to do this assumption? I hope u've heard of this saying: Assumption is the mother of fuck ups! Better taste? How about sharing with us which 10 judges ure gonna pick to judge your taste in music, whether it's good or bad.

Helloooo? This is still about the quality of their productions, which I would define as "crap", something you can't seem to argue.

Assumption? Yeah, I'm assuming that the reason people listen to McProg is because it's forced upon them by GDJB/ASOT, just like major record labels and commercial music stations force people to listen to pop music. Yeah, I guess it's an assumption, though it it's pretty obvious that that's the way it is.

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Originally posted by Radagast That's generally true, but not always. For example, you hear people spout off about Kraftwerk all the time, but how many of those know of Cluster, Parmegiani, Can, or Faust? A lot of people consider those guys to be better than Kraftwerk production wise. The underground always shapes music more than the popular, Kraftwerk included.

I don't know, I'm not really sure what Ory's opinion on Kraftwerk is. The mainstream/underground subject isn't set in stone, there isn't one rule that always applies. You would be an elitist if you automatically assumed underground music is better than mainstream music, which of course isn't always true.

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Originally posted by trancinchink much respect for all these producers mcprog or not because its not easy at all.

Maybe not the first time (though it probably is, since most of them follow others). But the second time they're about to make a track, they just go by the same formula, and just change some minor stuff. After a while it'd become routine, I'd imagine.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't know, I'm not really sure what Ory's opinion on Kraftwerk is. The mainstream/underground subject isn't set in stone, there isn't one rule that always applies. You would be an elitist if you automatically assumed underground music is better than mainstream music, which of course isn't always true.

My opinion on Kraftwerk doesn't matter, nor does my opinion on what else did and did not "shape the genre". What matters is what producers are doing today to push new sounds.

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Originally posted by Ory Helloooo? This is still about the quality of their productions, which I would define as "crap", something you can't seem to argue.

Seriously, WHY SHOULD I? Simple! U're not me and I'm not u! We've got different taste. U're saying like u've made tonnes of reasons why u'll define it as 'crap'. I don't see a reason for me to put off a certain style of edm as crap if I enjoy it.
Holy fuck, I can't believe I have to resort in putting this in the least intelligent way ever possible.

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Originally posted by Ory What matters is what producers are doing today to push new sounds.

there's actually some verity in this...

i can name many a trance track/producer for instance from 1993 or thereabouts that sound much better than the fluffy anjuna crap being released today...

Liking something that's poorly produced, unimaginative, unoriginal blah blah blah... = bad taste. Sorry for the confusion.

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Originally posted by Ory My opinion on Kraftwerk doesn't matter, nor does my opinion on what else did and did not "shape the genre". What matters is what producers are doing today to push new sounds.

It doesn't to your argument, it would do if Radagast's point was relevant to you.

Of course his opinion on Kraftwerk doesn't matter. What I used is called an analogy.

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth That is just on persons opinion. I find the music very well produced. When I listen to ASOT/GDJB with my headphones on, I love hearing the delays twinkling around, also the melodies to me are very nice. Not in your face super saw. Subtle and deep. When I hear the breakdowns, most of the tracks have great ambience. You can really hear alot of different colors. To me this music is like abstract art. If you have a good ear, you are able to hear melodies and sounds in this music that isnt really there. That is why I love this style. It isnt in your face like other genres, and their are lots of hidden melodies that most people dont hear. I am only sorry that not everyone is able to hear the beauty.

I understand what you're saying here, but with all due respect it indicates that you don't have the musical experience that others in this thread do.

You reference an "in your face super saw" as contrast to why you like American prog, which indicates to me that you've merely realized epic super saws to be overused and unimaginative. Everyone who gets hooked on trance has a time when they realize that, and for many of us speaking against American progressive, it was years ago.

You cite American prog as "subtle and deep." I don't mean to belittle that opinion, but compared to the past ten years of progressive house and trance, it's incredibly simple and obvious.

American progressive isn't that bad. Eurotrance is a much worse offense. But compared to what progressive dance has to offer, it's not good either. Certainly not worthy of the hype around here it has received.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred there's actually some verity in this... i can name many a trance track/producer for instance from 1993 or thereabouts that sound much better than the fluffy anjuna crap being released today...

My point is, though, that the fluffy Anjuna crap is unoriginal and overdone. If it wasn't, I probably still wouldn't like it (but who knows), but atleast I'd respect it.

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Originally posted by Radagast Of course his opinion on Kraftwerk doesn't matter. What I used is called an analogy.

Yes. You can be an elitist about many things, the underground/commercial one was just the relevant example. I'm not sure why you made that analogy, because you aren't elitist to my knowledge about that subject.

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Originally posted by Ory Liking something that's poorly produced, unimaginative, unoriginal blah blah blah... = bad taste. Sorry for the confusion.

I like asot/gdjb and protonradio. I have a weird taste :\

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It doesn't to your argument, it would do if Radagast's point was relevant to you.

Sorry, I got a bit confused when you started talking about who did what back in the day.

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Originally posted by JayD Guys. It's cool to discuss your opinions and shit but tell eachother to "fuck off" etc etc. has to stop. JaY

lol yeah you lot are taking this a bit far

Haha, this thread has turned into discussions about fluff-trance and pioneers of dance music. Oh dear.

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Originally posted by Ory My point is, though, that the fluffy Anjuna crap is unoriginal and overdone. If it wasn't, I probably still wouldn't like it (but who knows), but atleast I'd respect it.

This is true.

If you took a random 2004 Anjuna track and dropped it down in 1997, it would likely be heralded as groundbreaking.

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Originally posted by Ory Maybe not the first time (though it probably is, since most of them follow others). But the second time they're about to make a track, they just go by the same formula, and just change some minor stuff. After a while it'd become routine, I'd imagine.

lets say you as a producer work your ass off to make that perfect kick that you just love. are you gonna just use it once and discard it? i dunno... i really doubt that. personally, me n my friend have been trying to make a really nice kick for sometime and after we finally make it most likely i think i'll use it more than once. for a lot of people, that same thinking probably holds through with anything they made that took a lot of hard work. creating unique and interesting sound effects (i'm not talking about the typical wooshing white noise sound) is not easy. i'll bet that probspot felt a need to use it some more. on top of that his productions have only really been around for 1 year. lets all just wait and see what he (and other producers) do next year before you really bash on them. i mean, you guys really expect them to change their sound multiple times a year, always constantly be at the top of their game, and crank out amazing tracks one after the other. i'm sorry, it doesn't really work that way.

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Originally posted by Ory Haha, this thread has turned into discussions about fluff-trance and pioneers of dance music. Oh dear.

U're smiling too much over >500posts?

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Originally posted by trancinchink i mean, you guys really expect them to change their sound multiple times a year, always constantly be at the top of their game, and crank out amazing tracks one after the other. i'm sorry, it doesn't really work that way.

Sasha does it.

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Originally posted by Cobalt This is true. If you took a random 2004 Anjuna track and dropped it down in 1997, it would likely be heralded as groundbreaking.

yeah
but it's been done a thousand times before, so it's not
if that altf4 tune came out in 1999, everyone would be raving about it (literally), but it came out this year, and noone really cared

id love to hear some music from some of these elite "real prog" guys... as clearly they are so much more talented than everyone else.

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Originally posted by trancinchink i mean, you guys really expect them to change their sound multiple times a year, always constantly be at the top of their game, and crank out amazing tracks one after the other. i'm sorry, it doesn't really work that way.

Habersham have done it the past couple of years
Derek Howell to an extent
D.Ramirez
Lee Coombs
Sasha
Eric Prydz

just off the top of my head

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