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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You have to admit that it's really dropped in popularity over six or seven years.

oh definitely... i never doubted that. but i think it's a while away from dying just yet.

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Originally posted by G-Con The reason I posted what I said is because you repeatedly criticise people on here for moaning/complaining/worrying about the trance scene but not doing anything about it.

I don't believe I have criticised people for moaning or complaining.. the part where I criticise people is when they make a point of having a defeatist attitude saying/thinking nothing can be done because it's just not true. It's nonsense to think that the people on this board can get Mikey Mike nearly onto the top 100 DJs list, but that making any difference to the state of the trance scene is unachievable.

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You talk about finding ways to support local scene, to change things, to make a difference, but you don't come up with any examples of how we could do this. So like Paul Andrews said, you are an idealist, but in practical terms you are being unrealistic.

Correction.. I haven't yet MENTIONED specific ideas to improve things. But I'm not the type to go bolting out in the open with my balls out, cock in hand, with all my cards lying conveniently on the table.
Believe me there is nothing unrealistic about improving things from the mess they are in now, in fact there's more room than ever for improvement because of how damaged shit is in many ways. Getting everyone's attention and interest and getting them on the same page is the first thing needed though. I'm sure you could agree with that. Strength in numbers bitches!

There's an old chinese proverb that goes "if you bolt out blindly in the open with balls out, cock in hand, you may encounter a thorn bush."

no matter how much motivational talk there is, there's realistically only one person i can think of that has the power to change the direction of trance at the moment. that's if you're under the false pretense that trance has a single direction

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Originally posted by isoterra oh definitely... i never doubted that. but i think it's a while away from dying just yet.

tbh like any music popularity will deteriorate but music never dies out you ill always have some people who will play it to the death. happy hardcore is a perfect example.

The state of the music itself is only one side of the coin may I remind you. The other boils down to the people in the scene. I know for a fact things I personally can do to help both sides of the coin and many of those things are things that most people are just as able to do. You guys have to realize the trance scene is like one big ecosystem. Sometimes even little details can throw everything out of whack, or improve things.

I enjoy the 140 bpm music personally, that hyper excited feel is quite fun. The slower stuff is kinda dull to me, I get bored at the clubds around here when that stuff is playing, and so do most other people apparently, it is usualy used as an opening set before a DnB DJ comes on, people flail like idiots to DnB and just kinda stand around drinking beer when this boring proggy crap is playing.

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Originally posted by DJ NEMESIS I don't believe I have criticised people for moaning or complaining.. the part where I criticise people is when they make a point of having a defeatist attitude saying/thinking nothing can be done because it's just not true. It's nonsense to think that the people on this board can get Mikey Mike nearly onto the top 100 DJs list, but that making any difference to the state of the trance scene is unachievable.

Don�t compare the whole trance scene to a stupid poll (no matter how 'big' it is)! The scene and the society is so complex and affected by so many things that it�s almost impossible to change it notably right here, with words, even if the whole TA board united. You�re a dj, me too. I know that everyone of us wants to have preferably the biggest audience, we want a huge number of people listen to our music, to our vision of it. Even though the chance we will really influence something is pretty small, we have this best way to do it. Try to change things actively, carefully select the best of todays (trance) music and present it in your own way. I don�t know what secret plans you have, but I don�t think there is a better way than this one.

I believe that the sheer magnitude of this thread proves that trance isn't totally dead,we all still love it when it is produced well, I know I do. ALTHOUGH that doesn't happen as frequently these days, it still happens. Labels such as Anjunabeats and the Anjunadeep off shoot are producing supurb progressive trance that has a sophistication that the genre craaaaves, I can't stress that enough.

However, I am willing to concede that we are a rarity. Like someone earlier stated, electro is en vogue at the moment. Personally I like it when, as Nemesis pointed out, it is geared towards progressive house with those electro style stabs and synths. But that is not popular 2006 electro people. 2006 club electro is inane, monotonous commercial remake queer eye for the straight guy piffle. I apologise for such strong sentiments but I love dance music too much to see new people introduced to it through such a terrible medium. Aalto- 5, for example (again Anjunabeats) is a great example of trance utilising the electro sound, and I really belive that it works. Youve still got the great ambient soundscapes of trance, over a very addictive and danceable percussive layout. Personally I'd rather electro find it's way into progressive trance than onto my top 40 radio. Desyn Masiello- Balance 008 was a great example of high quality electro/progressive house.

Where am I going with all this? We've all seen interviews of Armin, PVD etc who firmly refuse to be classified as 'trance' djs, even though they obviously are, predominantly. But, and this is my two cents here people, what if there was a way of incorporating trance into dj sets playing, say, house music? Because the change needs to occur at club level, and I do agree that although I can't get enough raving done in a night, it isn't for everyone, ESPECIALLY girls, without being sexist. I'm not a dj myself, but if i was a progressive or house dj, even an elctro dj, I would certainly be throwing in a few slower trance tunes later in the night when the crowd is moving. I think in that environment and played at a carefully thought out time, punters would 'see the light' so to speak, more specifically be reminded of the power of trance music.
Yes, producers need to start producing it, but, what needs to be recognised is that if and when trance becomes a more profitable genre, the proverbial heavens will open with quality trance.

For that to occur, I hate to say it but the age of exclusive trance CLUBS are over. The smaller environment paves the way for more guy/girl interaction, which is very difficult when listening to trance. After all, honestly, what after dancing do people go clubbing for? djs that are passionate about trance should, for humour's sake, give a few trance songs a try in their sets. Not anthem trance, but more subtly coersive trance that could fit in with the style of music being played. Personally I don't understand why it hasn't been mentioned before this; even though I more than understand the difficulty involved. But all you jocks reading this, pleeeeease give it a try, I am convinced that if you slow down the bpm and choose your tracks wisely, perhaps some Luminary or other progrssive vocal'ers, people will enjoy it.

If this doesn't occure then trance will probably have to settle for the occasional epic stadium style events, which will always be big. But, if we truly want to see trance alive and kicking in our clubs again, it has to be part of a collective of dance music styles, and not just exclusively trance.

Those are my thoughts guys, critique away!

DERS

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Originally posted by paulandrews Don�t compare the whole trance scene to a stupid poll (no matter how 'big' it is)! The scene and the society is so complex and affected by so many things that it�s almost impossible to change it notably right here, with words, even if the whole TA board united. You�re a dj, me too. I know that everyone of us wants to have preferably the biggest audience, we want a huge number of people listen to our music, to our vision of it. Even though the chance we will really influence something is pretty small, we have this best way to do it. Try to change things actively, carefully select the best of todays (trance) music and present it in your own way. I don�t know what secret plans you have, but I don�t think there is a better way than this one.

I didn't compare the trance scene to a poll. Just made reference to (sadly) the only big notable thing I have seen come from the users on this site trying to specifically accomplish something big together. People as a group make a BIG difference. There are a LOT of users and nearly twice as many guests that frequent here. It's all in the butterfly effect. One person is quite able to influence 10 people, or a hundred people etc.. and in the same sense 100 people are able to influence 1000 and so forth. Everything starts somewhere it's like the saying goes.. Rome wasn't built in a day!

Anyone who doesn't think they can make a difference either has a loser mentality or a lack of confidence. It's the one guaranteed way you will NEVER make a difference.

Simply playing the best trance music you can get ahold of won't really do much in the grand scheme of things.. and it won't make a difference how good your records are if you have no one to play them to as well due to the nights shutting down because of lack of support! If you have the chance to play great trance to a lot of people on a regular basis then you'll be of course making more of a difference. But this is one of the key issues. Trance DJs no longer have enough places left to play due to trance promoters not having enough support to keep their nights going or secure new nights. Trance culture is being brushed aside, laughed at, and it's enthusiasts treated as social outcasts! Do you guys really want to take it lying down?

please take a look at my post on page 28, reallt interested to see what people have to say, as I'd say its time for the solutions to begin being theorised.

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Originally posted by DJ NEMESIS I didn't compare the trance scene to a poll. Just made reference to (sadly) the only big notable thing I have seen come from the users on this site trying to specifically accomplish something big together. People as a group make a BIG difference. There are a LOT of users and nearly twice as many guests that frequent here. It's all in the butterfly effect. One person is quite able to influence 10 people, or a hundred people etc.. and in the same sense 100 people are able to influence 1000 and so forth. Everything starts somewhere it's like the saying goes.. Rome wasn't built in a day! Anyone who doesn't think they can make a difference either has a loser mentality or a lack of confidence. It's the one guaranteed way you will NEVER make a difference. Simply playing the best trance music you can get ahold of won't really do much in the grand scheme of things.. and it won't make a difference how good your records are if you have no one to play them to as well due to the nights shutting down because of lack of support! If you have the chance to play great trance to a lot of people on a regular basis then you'll be of course making more of a difference. But this is one of the key issues. Trance DJs no longer have enough places left to play due to trance promoters not having enough support to keep their nights going or secure new nights. Trance culture is being brushed aside, laughed at, and it's enthusiasts treated as social outcasts! Do you guys really want to take it lying down?

Nemesis you've just pointed out why even if DJ's like yourself take the time to select only the highest quality trance tunes to play to people it still won't help cause there aren't enough people to play to.

So my question again. What are we suppose to do? I'm not a defeatist. I just don't believe there is anything that can be done. Genre's rise and fall. Trance has risen, now its falling. The vast majority of people that loved trance no longer like it. They are bored and have moved on to other things.

I know you keep saying you've got ideas but don't want to reveal them just yet but I'm fairly certain that whatever you're ideas are, they will be completely flawed in more ways than one. Why not share with us what you're idea is. I'd love to hear it and I hope its actually a really good way of reviving the scene but I doubt this very much

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Originally posted by DJ NEMESIS I didn't compare the trance scene to a poll. Just made reference to (sadly) the only big notable thing I have seen come from the users on this site trying to specifically accomplish something big together. People as a group make a BIG difference. There are a LOT of users and nearly twice as many guests that frequent here. It's all in the butterfly effect. One person is quite able to influence 10 people, or a hundred people etc.. and in the same sense 100 people are able to influence 1000 and so forth. Everything starts somewhere it's like the saying goes.. Rome wasn't built in a day!

Ok, so what Rome should we build? Can we all agree on how the basements, the roofs, the walls, the roads should look like? Can we elect the emperor?

This time, people in a group won�t change much together, as they have different tastes and even if they have a collective goal - to make trance better, more healthy, alive - the methods would differ and would probably bring different issues.

If trance is supposed to die, then let it do so. If it has the inner strentgh and a strong legacy of the past, it will rise as a phoenix from the ashes again.

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Originally posted by G-Con I'm not a defeatist. I just don't believe there is anything that can be done.

heh.. a funny line when you read it back

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I know you keep saying you've got ideas but don't want to reveal them just yet but I'm fairly certain that whatever you're ideas are, they will be completely flawed in more ways than one. Why not share with us what you're idea is. I'd love to hear it and I hope its actually a really good way of reviving the scene but I doubt this very much

Trust me. ANYTHING that can be done to improve things is a good thing and no one golden idea is going to do it! I have my own suggestions and ideas which I'm going to bring up soon as well as some that take a bit of negotiating time to sort out first. What's needed though is for everyone to put their thinking cap on and try to come up with ideas that help in ANY way at all to do with the scene, it's environment, or the music.

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People in a group won�t change much together, as they have different tastes and even if they have a collective goal - to make trance better, more healthy, alive - the methods would differ and would probably bring different issues.

Good point. You have to go after things that are a definite improvement no questions asked. Regardless of how difficult it is for TAs to agree, there is also plenty of common ground to be had.

DERS: Well.. regarding the musical end of things and it's popularity, you made some good points which are quite true regarding the music and what is/isn't digestible to a lot of people. The majority of clubbers prefer more of a groove than a rave.. opting for clubbier mid range bpms and not screaming synths and hard beats at high bpms. This is just a fact. Also lets face it, a LOT of people that go to clubs like to go where the girls are. These same clubbers who cringe and shy away from the especially hard beats and upper range tempos of some trance are, as you said, a LOT more likely to actually digest lower bpm trance.
From my own experience, I remember playing a 3 hr set at club in January this year.. (I don't play much trance these days) and I pulled out a few melodic trancey tracks like Andrew Bennett - Ocean Drive (Probspot rmx), Tilt - Invisible (Lost Tribe rmx), and Jose Zamora - Transatlantic (Moor remix) which are all lower bpm (133ish) and they all went over awesome with hands in the air. After my set one of the more jaded house-only scenester guys there came up to me and said flat out that normally he hates trance, but actually loved the stuff I did play and the way I played it (bpm and positioning in my set). There are so many other people who would love trance just as much if presented to them in the right way, with the right tracks believe me. Housey people can actually get pretty stoked with it when you feed it to them in digestible terms and like it or not, with this huge chunk of the population, it's either avoiding the hard sounds and fast bpms, or they are just not havin it. A lot of us like the more pumping, in your face trance, but in honest reality.. as far as the majority are concerned it's the stuff they look at to give trance a bad name and the stuff they won't touch. A few ppl I brought with me on guestlist to check out Scott Bond here for instance would only stay for 20 mins and afterwards were like "what was that.. hardhouse?" lol.
Personally, it's not the hard fast beats that draw me to trance, it's the melodic and uplifting structure so I'm definitely liking the stuff that's not as hard and fast but still energetic and melodic. Not to mention at most of the gigs I play I could very well be lynched for playing anything near 138-140 bpm!

Wow, you people are freggin retarded.

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Originally posted by Neo95gt Wow, you people are freggin retarded.

^I love irony.

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Originally posted by Neo95gt Wow, you people are freggin retarded.

Let's all play "spot the irony"!

Dude.
It's all about

Matt Hardwick vs. Smith & Pledger - Day One (Original Mix)

That song is hella angelic.

pvd is the rulest.

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Originally posted by humilis Uplifting trance has no THE feeling anymore. Overused sounds and structures, same uplifts. Boring music.

this guy speaks the truth. i have moved to prog house/tribal for the past 2 years. ever since prog trance came into the picture, it has lost its soul.

so long trance, as long as OAKENFOLD and TIESTO is still spinning.

if you still aren't conviced

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reat post. The times are a changin. I think the worse thing to do would be to stay the course, and people to one day say... "wow, I think I'll abandoned this girl packed house stage and go check out the trance DJs." As DJs we need to be coercive with our track selection if we want to steer people back to trance. Find some trance tracks with really interesting elements that don't splash the pot in your house/electro set, and let it loose. I think people will be really receptive to sounds that they don't often hear as long as it doesn't smack you with a shrieking synths and a 3-minute breakdowns. One of the best sets I've ever heard was in Seattle when Dieselboy incorperated lots of trancy and progressive elements into his jungle set--it kept the sway of drum and bass with the spine tingling synth elements. The crowd loved it.

And don’t sell yourself short. I think we are conflating audience reactions with what constitutes a 'good set'. Trance is never going to have the same jump up and down fist pumping feeling that house has, but that doesn't mean that a well spun trance set isn't a much more engaging, pleasurable, eyebrow raising experience than Johnny-two-step playing Swedish House Mafia top sellers in the next room. Be proud to occupy a niche market and you’ll sleep well knowing you introduced an adventuresome listener to something new and beautiful.

Be The Doors, not the Bee Gees...

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Originally posted by DJ Mission reat post. The times are a changin. I think the worse thing to do would be to stay the course, and people to one day say... "wow, I think I'll abandoned this girl packed house stage and go check out the trance DJs." As DJs we need to be coercive with our track selection if we want to steer people back to trance. Find some trance tracks with really interesting elements that don't splash the pot in your house/electro set, and let it loose. I think people will be really receptive to sounds that they don't often hear as long as it doesn't smack you with a shrieking synths and a 3-minute breakdowns. One of the best sets I've ever heard was in Seattle when Dieselboy incorperated lots of trancy and progressive elements into his jungle set--it kept the sway of drum and bass with the spine tingling synth elements. The crowd loved it. And don’t sell yourself short. I think we are conflating audience reactions with what constitutes a 'good set'. Trance is never going to have the same jump up and down fist pumping feeling that house has, but that doesn't mean that a well spun trance set isn't a much more engaging, pleasurable, eyebrow raising experience than Johnny-two-step playing Swedish House Mafia top sellers in the next room. Be proud to occupy a niche market and you’ll sleep well knowing you introduced an adventuresome listener to something new and beautiful. Be The Doors, not the Bee Gees...

you're annoying

i thought trance was dead?!?!?! i wonder when the "trance is dead" threads will die along with the poeple who make them/bump them

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Originally posted by DJ Mission reat post. The times are a changin. I think the worse thing to do would be to stay the course

so you want to cut and run?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nchs09
i thought trance was dead?!?!?! What? whene that happen?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by clubamerica
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nchs09
i thought trance was dead?!?!?!

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