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Originally posted by exstasie There is a greater Benefit to spending all that time training to win $214,000 in the Phillipnes compared to $20,000US in Canada.

Hmm now I gotta find a Filipino wife, marry her to get citizenship. Practice shooting, or fencing something easy lol. All within 3-4 years to make that 214k worth it.

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Originally posted by MKpacha ... Horse jumping is 2 parts. The horse and the rider, together, they create a well oiled machine. They win the medal together... You are naieve to think that riding is not a sport. You try it, at that level, and get back to me. thanks.

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Originally posted by Orko Equestrian events should not be in the olympics.

MK, we did not state it was not a sport, and before you get super defensive and call us stupid or naive, how about looking at the merits of our arguments?

Again I will state my point, which you did not actually explain. The rider is not generating the power to get over the obstacle. Tennis: player swings. Biking: rider pedals. Marathon: person runs! Show jumping: horse jumps.

My point was, events in the Olympics should be comprised of activities where athletes generate the power to complete an objective. They can use tools, raquets, bikes, shoes, but the power for those item to work, comes from the person.

In equestrian events, the person does use a tool, but the power comes from the horse, not the rider. When you talk about training, it is the same with people. A horse would not jump, if not trained. Same thing with a person in the high jump. With out the training with a coach, the jumper would not know how to build muscle, angle their body and eat properly. Training is not the question. Work is. In high jump the jumper propels themselves over the beam. In equestrian events, the horse propels the rider over the beam. How can you argue that?

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Originally posted by MKpacha I really wish not to argue about this, as I could go on for days, and it is almost pointless as there is no one else that shows at a compettive enough level as I once have to understand where I am coming from.

Wow, I wish I could win all my arguments like this. 'You have not trained like me, there fore you have no say in the matter'.

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Originally posted by MKpacha Technically, a horse is not physically capable of such heights... why don't you stop arguing about something you have no clue about.

Did you really just say this?

^^

Please do some showjumping and then come back and tell me the riders are not athletes deserving to be in the Olympics.

Are you fucking people actually blind or just dumb? Where did I say the rider was not an athlete? I am not saying it is not hard! I am saying the horse is generating the power to do the jumping.

Fuck I grew up around a horse farm, and my family raised horses for jumping and racing. I know what type of conditioning goes into this stuff, rider and horse.

READ THE DAMN MESSAGE AGAIN.

Considering your family supposedly raised horses for jumping and racing, you are surprisingly ignorant about showjumping itself and the effort it takes both the horse AND the rider.

Fuck fuck. (<-- had to put those in there, I'd feel bad if I didn't at least match the level of fucking in your post)

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Originally posted by loca Considering your family supposedly raised horses for jumping and racing, you are surprisingly ignorant about showjumping itself and the effort it takes both the horse AND the rider. Fuck fuck. (<-- had to put those in there, I'd feel bad if I didn't at least match the level of fucking in your post)

Do you guys though at least see what we are trying to explain?

Forget about the physics and whether its actually possible for a horse to jump on its own or not.

But all we are saying is who actually physically jumps over the rails...